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TUESDAY, SEP 13, 2011  |  14 comments
Evangelicals Hold Pessimistic Views of the Economy
The most recent political poll by the Pew Research Center for the People and the Press finds only seven percent of Americans say the economy is doing well. And the views of many evangelicals are more pessimistic than those of other Americans. But the economic perceptions are just that—perceptions.

Like other Americans, evangelicals view the economic situation as dire. Less than 10 percent of Americans of any religion believe the economy is on sound footing. About half of Americans also believe that the economy is not recovering and will not recover for a long time. Evangelicals appear more pessimistic than most Americans. More than two-thirds of evangelicals said that it will be a long time before the U.S. economy recovers. ...


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CAS | S.Cal  Find all comments by CAS
jpt,
Thanks for the feedback and link and as you inferred, I do not think Postman is a believer.

I have read "Why Johnny Can't Preach" and unfortunately would recommend that especially to elders on a pastoral candidate credentials committee.

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News Item9/14/11 7:57 AM
jtp  Find all comments by jtp
CAS wrote:
Along those lines, one of these days I'll get around to reading Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business." From Wiki...
Postman distinguishes the Orwellian vision of the future, in which totalitarian governments seize individual rights, from that offered by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World, where people medicate themselves into bliss, thereby voluntarily sacrificing their rights. Drawing an analogy with the latter scenario, Postman sees television's entertainment value as a present-day "soma", by means of which the consumers' rights are exchanged for entertainment.
Hi CAS. Here is an interview with Postman from 1986. http://vimeo.com/19884984

Although Postman probably doesn't hold to the same conservative views in Politics and Religion I do, it's well worth looking into.

Along similar lines is the book Why Johnny can't preach (How media shapes the message)

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News Item9/14/11 5:12 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
CAS wrote:
Along those lines, one of these days I'll get around to reading Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business." From Wiki...
Postman distinguishes the Orwellian vision of the future, in which totalitarian governments seize individual rights, from that offered by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World, where people medicate themselves into bliss, thereby voluntarily sacrificing their rights. Drawing an analogy with the latter scenario, Postman sees television's entertainment value as a present-day "soma", by means of which the consumers' rights are exchanged for entertainment.
CAS
Good Post!
And "evangelicals" who don't know what they don't know attend their churches leaving spiritually starved hearing so very little of the Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, crucified and risen Son of God who is mighty to save. In whose name we can come boldly before the Father and cry out for REVIVAL.

Of course they don't know what they don't know so they have not because they ask not in faith believing that He who did not spare His Son for us would for Him do outright miracles in answer to the prayers of His children.

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News Item9/13/11 11:19 PM
CAS | S.Cal  Find all comments by CAS
Along those lines, one of these days I'll get around to reading Neil Postman's "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business." From Wiki...
Postman distinguishes the Orwellian vision of the future, in which totalitarian governments seize individual rights, from that offered by Aldous Huxley in Brave New World, where people medicate themselves into bliss, thereby voluntarily sacrificing their rights. Drawing an analogy with the latter scenario, Postman sees television's entertainment value as a present-day "soma", by means of which the consumers' rights are exchanged for entertainment.
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News Item9/13/11 9:59 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Point taken; perhaps I was hung up too much on etymology. However, because thinking is so often deprecated, in my subjective editorial judgment, "think" or "reason" is still better since it leaves no room for misunderstanding.

In the same vein, while "meditate" in Scripture also means to think (how does one do otherwise with God's Law, Ps. 1:2?), too often these days, it means to stop reasoning, deny the body, & commune with Shiva, or whomever.

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News Item9/13/11 8:17 PM
CAS | S.Cal  Find all comments by CAS
Interesting comments by Neil and RP in regards to the etymology of "muse."

My understanding of it is that "to muse" generally means to think deeply...unless an (a) prefix is added which negates the meaning of the root word thereby meaning the opposite much like the case of "pathos" and apathy.

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News Item9/13/11 6:44 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
scott mcmahan wrote:
Why bad economic news? No one ever bought a newspaper that said "everything is fine, nothing happening today" Bad news sells, so the media focuses on bad news.
Also why you never see an article like "faithful pastor continues exposition of Bible" - the only religious news is some gonzo nut job burning books or something. It's "biased" but not politically,
Thanks for your answer. I would hope that is not true of the Christian in light of Phil.4:1-8. We only have available what the media gives and if we want to know what is true in the nation and world it isn't easy.
I read recently that it was heresy, scandal and persecution that are the causes of apostasy. So I assume your faithful minister is faithful in doctrine which to me means, what the Bible teaches us about God who God is and what He requires of us. Yet many falsely assume doctrine is something other than what the Scripture teaches and then say I don't follow the teaching of men, I follow the Bible that says God gave pastors &teachers. A faithful minister should be teaching the doctrine of the Bible. On this we'd agree. Do you believe there are degrees of faithfulness since truth is always the same?
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News Item9/13/11 4:06 PM
scott mcmahan  Find all comments by scott mcmahan
Why bad economic news? No one ever bought a newspaper that said "everything is fine, nothing happening today" - or clicked on a link or viewed an ad. Bad news sells, so the media focuses on bad news.

Also why you never see an article like "faithful pastor continues exposition of Bible" - the only religious news is some gonzo nut job burning books or something. It's "biased" but not politically, just biased towards the sort of thing that they know will push people's buttons.

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News Item9/13/11 1:01 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Neil wrote:
Muses were the Greek goddesses of literature & the arts, so are you sure God wants us to "muse?" Isa.1:18
Yes Neil, the gospel prophet is always comforting and instructive. Now since I will give an account to God for every idle word, I looked up muse and amused in Webster's 1828. I use muse as a verb most often. What you refer to is muse the noun and not the verb. However meditate would be a word less likely to cause any to stumble. Thanks
I recently heard a sermon on SA that rightly said, we ought first begin the process of gaining knowledge, in and through the Scripture, interpreting all our data by what the Word teaches. What we conclude drives the will, & the will then drives the affections. I 'meditated' on this just this morning after a conversation with my son; as it relates to original sin as mentioned in Psalm 51 and actual sin, as in James 1:12-17. I wasn't thinking of the economy but it applies here too. Curious, why do you think the media wants to deceive the people of this nation Scott? Rufus, in this context I concluded Satan wants us deceived with the wrong kind of amusement.
Randolph Websters 1828 has 7 definitions for entertain the verb.
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News Item9/13/11 12:14 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Neil wrote:
Muses were the Greek goddesses of literature & the arts, so are you sure God wants us to "muse?"
Rather, He expects us to think & reason (e.g. Is. 1:18), which is not encouraged by many pastors or secular authorities. Yet they wonder why substance abuse is so common.
I agree that God does expect us to think & reason.

"I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands." - Psalms 143:5

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News Item9/13/11 11:37 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Muses were the Greek goddesses of literature & the arts, so are you sure God wants us to "muse?"

Rather, He expects us to think & reason (e.g. Is. 1:18), which is not encouraged by many pastors or secular authorities. Yet they wonder why substance abuse is so common.

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News Item9/13/11 9:49 AM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Alcohol and tobacco sales go up in bad times. It would stand to reason that the other mind-numbing activities would go up as well. If one had to think about what is going on in this world,they might not like the ugly reality of it. God wants us to muse, the Devil wants us to be amused.
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News Item9/13/11 9:06 AM
Randolph  Find all comments by Randolph
scott mcmahan wrote:
I find the media's view of the economy difficult to reconcile with reality. One NFL player gets $100M and the NFL is flourishing. If the economy was as bad as the media wants us to believe, wouldn't the NFL be affected even slightly? (At least if not actually cutting back, then not having record contracts for players, but holding the line.) If the media had not told me the economy was bad, just looking around where I live at the booming construction, I would think I was living in a boom time.
Let's wait until after the Superbowl, college bowl season, and March madness and see if anything has been cut back this season. The worse the economy gets, the more money sports makes.
It would seen that way. However; it does appear that when the economy is bad, at least in America, that people try to relieve their stress through recreation and entertainment even more. Granted, in our parents generation (1920s-1940s)responsibilty outweighed recreation, but not so today. 1,000 yrs. from now when they exavate the ruins of America to determine what destoyed to culture, the conclusion will be "They entertained themselves to death"
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News Item9/13/11 7:26 AM
scott mcmahan | Internet  Find all comments by scott mcmahan
Chicken and egg. People get their economic news from the media, and the media constantly pumps out negative stories about the economy, so that shapes people's view of the economy. The media then polls them and figures out that their views are negative, and then turns around and reports this as another negative story about the economy.

I find the media's view of the economy difficult to reconcile with reality. One NFL player gets $100M and the NFL is flourishing. If the economy was as bad as the media wants us to believe, wouldn't the NFL be affected even slightly? (At least if not actually cutting back, then not having record contracts for players, but holding the line.) If the media had not told me the economy was bad, just looking around where I live at the booming construction, I would think I was living in a boom time.

Let's wait until after the Superbowl, college bowl season, and March madness and see if anything has been cut back this season. The worse the economy gets, the more money sports makes.

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