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SUNDAY, SEP 11, 2011  |  48 comments
Museum to mark King James Bible's 400th
On Friday, the Toledo Museum of Art will celebrate the 400th anniversary of the King James Bible by putting its own rare first edition of the historic Bible on display.

Originally known as the Authorized Version, the translation was commissioned by King James I of England in 1604 and took 47 scholars nearly seven years to complete. The third English translation of the Bible, following the Great Bible and the Bishop's Bible, the King James Bible was printed by "the printer to the king," Robert Barker. It is acknowledged as one of the most influential books in history for both its religious and its literary content.

The Toledo museum's Bible that will be displayed through Dec. 3 in Gallery 15 is identified as an early first edition because of a woodcut engraving border on the title page. The distinctive border was printed in only a few copies until Flemish artist Cornelius Boel completed an ...


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News Item9/28/11 2:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Rufus, I would think they may have quoted from the Vulgate (see Dr. Wallace's comment on the Vulgate in, Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today.

Of course "ye" etc., is nonsense to the modern ear, you should also reference articles such as, The KJV's Archaic Language Pros and Cons for people who won't bother with a foreign language.

This is why I said if people insist on using the AV, with it's numerous faults, you should get a The Ryrie KJV Study Bible Hardback-Red Letter or perhaps a The Macarthur Study Bible ~ New King James Version, since the NKJV corrects some of the mistakes in the AV, that Ryrie didn't comment on, unless he has done so in a later version?

Oh, ran out of space to mention Dr. White's book, King James Only Controversy, He may have a later version out, which probably can be purchased through the IHCC bookstore etc, but either version should be ade

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News Item9/27/11 5:09 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The translators of the AV, quoted this from Scripture,
I doubt they quoted from the NASB...

"9 So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.... 11 Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me." - Holy Bible

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News Item9/27/11 3:08 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The translators of the AV, quoted this from Scripture,
1 Corinthians 14:9
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.---NASB

If the Holy Spirit was going to aid in translating the Bible, I would be reading Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, or even the superior translation of Luther's which is in German.

For those who want a free commentary about the The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position. For those who don't realize that the AV nowadays the real value of the AV is it's historical literary value, and not the present day Bible, you should pick up these books--somewhere! King James Version Debate, King James Only Debate, The Facts on

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News Item9/27/11 8:59 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
The world would be a lovely place if all kept the laws of Christ.
Indeed, John....

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of the law.

1Jo 4:21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

.... but, alas, only those born by the will of God have the strength to do so.

Isa 40:28-31 Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding. He giveth power to the faint; and to [them that have] no might he increaseth strength. Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew [their] strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; [and] they shall walk, and not faint.

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News Item9/27/11 6:15 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
I nominate this the quote of the day!
I second that.

As Jesus said,

John 14:15-17 KJV
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:21 KJV
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:25-26 KJV
25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:10 KJV
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 15:17 KJV
17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

The world would be a lovely place if all kept the laws of Christ.

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News Item9/27/11 12:09 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
TS wrote:
It is not a dictionary you need to read the Holy Bible, Jim, - it is the Holy Spirit.
I nominate this the quote of the day!
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News Item9/26/11 6:17 PM
Downgrade  Find all comments by Downgrade
Interesting in the Daily Mail today that Melvyn Bragg, award winning writer and BBC broadcaster declared re: the 400 year old KJV: "What are vicars employed for but to explain the Bible to Children...What are we doing using the RSV in schools and churches when we have this wonderful book full of language we still use and which means something. It is rubbish to say children would not understand it."

He is a writer of children's books so would see the need for a written style suitable for children.

He has a point...we all know that the average child can soon read and understand the AV language. It only needs a Christian Pastor or Parent to explain the difficult words etc. Strange how a spiritually blind author like Mr Bragg can see the obvious.

Language hasn't changed since 1990 when I was converted through reading the AV. If children could read the AV in every decade since post Elizabethan times and up until 1990... without any Elizabethan education, then what stops children today? The fact that the likes of Jim Lincoln want to see the God proven and blessed AV recycled to make the multitude of publishing houses of Modern Bibles rich? I thought UK and USA theologians now spoke of a post Christian era? Jim will next tell us that the AV was the cause

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News Item9/26/11 4:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln and John Yurich have at least two things in common.

1. Despite being told a thousand times, they never seem to understand anything they are told.

2. They both repeat themselves over and over and over and over and over. In the days of wind-up gramaphones, we used to say "the needle's stuck."

But praise God! Good news! The Authorized Version goes on from strength to strength, because God owns it; and by his grace and power it will still be used for the blessing and salvation of many souls.

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News Item9/26/11 3:34 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
If you need a dictionary to read a Bible, then throw that version aside.
.........
The people in the KJV day understood it, because it was much closer to common speech than it is now!
As we keep insisting and explaining Jim, it has nothing to do with english comprehension and grammar.

The real problem is that LIBERAL ANGLICAN heretics helped to write the NIV, NASB et al.

Therefore it is much more logical to read a reliable version of the Word of God such as the KING JAMES VERSION which clearly GOD approved by using it for four hundred years. AND which comes from a more reliable Greek Text.

It is not a dictionary you need to read the Holy Bible, Jim, - it is the Holy Spirit.

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News Item9/26/11 3:10 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Sorry, but what about the AinG thing, I should see have they found a fossil of a unicorn? Or like the "Irish Rovers'" song about the Unicorn, it missed the boat (Ark) when the flood came. Even the ASV removed a lot of nonsense that were in the AV, q.v., Prefaces of the ASV

Well, my warnings are really for those who aren't a part of the King James Onlyism cult, but for those people who have some of these types come knocking at their door. Print out, A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed, and you will be ready to do battle with this particular cult.

But as was pointed out in Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations if you need a dictionary to read a Bible, then throw that version aside. When it is said, "the Bible is the most purchased book in the world, but least read." They must be talking about the KJV. The people in the KJV day understood it, because it was much closer to common speech than it is now!

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News Item9/26/11 10:19 AM
singlehorn  Find all comments by singlehorn
Jim Lincoln wrote:
You must have been speared by a unicorn, to say that!
Jim

Further to the link from 'Answers in Genesis' for which we await your expert comments... here are a couple of other links for your consideration.

See: What about Unicorns?
Here

Here is something to view re: the spirit 'itself' and note references to the modern versions.

Doug Kutilek's Delusions about the word "IT"Here

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News Item9/25/11 3:08 PM
fromthemuseum  Find all comments by fromthemuseum
Jim Lincoln wrote:
fromthemuseum you should have used an example like this one!
Yawn !

As you must be a walking Bible dictionary try looking up 'auroch' (extinct by 1627) and then have a look at Answers In Genesis and ask why a website covering all thing creation wise would have such a viewpoint as it is not KJVO is it.

Unicorns in the Bible

Now if you are so certain then God be with you, but 'Unicorn' has been covered a few times in the comments as has certain langauge in the NASB that is difficult to follow. You could always look at the link below and explain away(though I don't agree with all of his views).

The ever changing literal NASB

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News Item9/25/11 2:37 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
fromthemuseum you should have used an example like this one!

Deuteronomy 33
17His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.--KJV

Deuteronomy 33
17The firstborn of his herd, majesty is his.
His horns are the horns of the wild ox.
With them he shall push all of the peoples, to the ends of the earth:
They are the ten thousands of Ephraim.
They are the thousands of Manasseh.”--World English Bible (public domain, The ASV in modern English) Note Alan H., not a unicorn to be seen in modern versions!

A person for his own use, should pick up a The Ryrie KJV Study Bible Hardback-Red Letter, and then you won't need a dictionary, but Ryrie has ignored such as heretical errors in the KJV as calling the Holy Spirit (itself) instead of Himself, etc., q.v., Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations.

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News Item9/25/11 1:50 PM
Fromthemuseum  Find all comments by Fromthemuseum
Ezra 9:5
NIV: abasement
KJV: heaviness

Is 24:23
NIV:abashed
KJV:confounded

Ezek 40:18
NIV:abutted
KJV: over against

Is 13:8
NIV:aghast
KJV:amazed

Ezek 40:13
NIV:alcove
KJV:little chamber

Acts 2:6
NIV:bewilderment
KJV:confounded

Ps 58:7
NIV:blunted
KJV:cut in pieces

Job 8:2
NIV:blustering
KJV:strong

Song 2:12
NIV:cooing
KJV:voice

I Ki 4:22
NIV:cors
KJV:measures

Gen 40:6
NIV: dejected
KJV: sad
?Smiley?

Gen 14:1
NIV:goyim
KJV:nations

From a website I saw today. Guess the NIV is supposed to be the easy read bible

So a KJV user can use a dictionary too even for the 700 archaic words (often the modern meaning is already in the back of most bibles), but even the modern versionist will need a dictionary 'cors'.....

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News Item9/24/11 10:01 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
John UK wrote:
I wanted to wait, to see if Jim denied posting that evil comment. But no, he not only didn't deny it, he justified it. I'm too astonished to even comment on it.
Be wary of Jim Lincoln indeed.
Hey John, Jim don't need to worry about being a "heretic" because his Bible doesn't even use the word :

Titus 3:10 (KJV) "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;..."

Titus 3:10 (NASB) "Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,..."

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News Item9/24/11 4:36 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, be weary of...
Those who post comments to nonexistent fellows, like KJVO fellows.

Oh and the word is "wary", that is, careful, watchful of, rather than "weary" which is what people get when Jim Lincoln launches yet another harangue against Bibles like the KJV, while disclaiming that any Bible can be trusted; because he does not know where all the errors are.

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News Item9/24/11 4:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, be weary of,
James White wrote:
Generally speaking, KJV Only writers have no interest in being fair or impartial in their handling of the manuscript and textual data of Scripture. They also have little desire to accurately or honestly reflect the opinions of those with whom they disagree. Indeed, there is no effort made to appreciate the strengths of the positions of anyone who would speak a word against the inerrancy of the KJV.
Why KJVO Claims and Arguments Cannot Be Trusted.

The translators of the AV themselves, thought that more --and it turns out much accurate versions of the Bible would be done in following years -- The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position, and any Bible, used in the pews should be in modern English which is Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations--except apparently to KJVO supporters.

Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today.

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News Item9/23/11 4:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
kenny wrote:
Jim, You have come close to crossing the line several times before but now I believe you have pole vaulted over it. What you posted is just blasphemous by any standard and you ought to repent.
Holy Scripture is 100% a gift and product of the Holy Spirit and for you to say what you have is absolutely disgusting.
I would encourage everyone here to be wary of Jim Lincoln.
I wanted to wait, to see if Jim denied posting that evil comment. But no, he not only didn't deny it, he justified it. I'm too astonished to even comment on it.

Be wary of Jim Lincoln indeed.

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News Item9/23/11 3:25 PM
TS  Find all comments by TS
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The KJV is a heretical Bible, in many aspects, thankfully it isn't in English
Oh Look!! "Preacher" Jim is teaching us again that the Lord used a heretical book to build and teach His Church over these last four hundred years.

In his devout and obsessive nasbiness we find the true Jim Lincoln, behind the scenes. It is a shame that poor Jim cannot read the King James Bible, - But equally it is sad that Jim puts his trust in a modern version which two ANGLICAN LIBERAL HERETICS contributed so much to the writing and translation of. We should pray for poor Jim that the Lord may open his eyes one day soon.

"2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of" from the KING JAMES VERSION of the Word of God.

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News Item9/23/11 3:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
kenny, I don't belong to a cult either that the New American Standard Bible or of King James Onlyism.

While I can point out such things as 69 Questions for "KJV only" advocates, the truth when people push KJV on to others that is extra-biblical, which means it is a cult. The KJV is a heretical Bible, in many aspects, thankfully it isn't in English, Restating The Obvious About Bible Translations, so most people will not even bother with it.

Unfortunately, and yes, not all KJV rabid supporters hold the view of Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists or are Mormon, But AV is closely tied to racism. So, if you aren't a Racist a supporter of Prince Charles, why support a flawed version of the Bible--or more accurately push a flawed version of the Bible?

You noticed I haven't said anything bad about the NASB, ESV, or even ASV (which is unfortunately in Elizabethan and not English) which are much more accurate to the autographs that God gave us than the AV? So no disre

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