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WEDNESDAY, AUG 31, 2011  |  85 comments
Is Supporting the Death Penalty 'Christian?'
Americans who attend religious services on a regular basis are slightly less likely to support the death penalty than those who attend less frequently. Although a majority of frequent and infrequent churchgoers support the death penalty, the data show that 65% of those who attend services weekly or nearly weekly favor capital punishment, compared with 69% of those who attend services monthly and 71% of those who seldom or never attend.

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Protestants are somewhat more likely to endorse capital punishment than are Catholics and far more likely than those with no religious preference. More than 7 in 10 Protestants (71%) support the death penalty, while 66% of Catholics support it. Fifty-seven percent of those with no religious preference favor the death penalty for murder. ...


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News Item9/7/11 2:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
People who have a consistent, historical, grammatical, literal interpretation of the Bible will come to close agreement on the essentials of translation and even many of the particulars, Listen Gil Rugh's sermon, Principles of Bible Interpretation. If you use Allegory as the heretic Origen did, then you will have as many interpretations as you have people and churches.

I know little about this pastor, and only saw several of his comments but he really seems quite close to many who follow the above principles, He seems to use them in the following article, The Charismatic Movement--35 DOCTRINAL ISSUES Huh! I see IHCC gets mentioned at the very end of this article!

I don't know if this pastor or mine, Gil Rugh, have even ever talked to each other!

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News Item9/7/11 12:37 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
Ah yes, Elijah. I also thought of Job who never once cursed God while in his dilema and God loved him and preserved him through it all. James saw patience in Job but God saw abundance of pride in that never once did Job give glory to God for those things of God which were too wonderful for him to comprehend. Instead, he became wrapped up in himself.
When a sect of Christianity believes that only they hold the sole interpretation of scripture which is true to God's intended meaning, it is certain that their eyes will fall away from God, as Job's did, and as Bro. Michael Hranek often points out, and turn to their own will righteousness.
That's about the way of it, bro. Sadly.

If there is anyone having a dilemma with standing aloof from other brethren because of a secondary doctrinal issue, I suggest reading Dallimore's Whitefield, which reveals that although Whitefield was a man of God called to preach and was filled with the Spirit lifelong, and mightily used of God in conversions within the UK and USA, nevertheless it ought to be known that he had the highest regard for (arminist) John Wesley, even to the extent of saying he expected John to be nearer the throne in heaven because of his godly life.

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News Item9/7/11 10:48 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
John UK wrote:
Lurker, I thought precisely the same thing. The more rare someone's belief structure, and the more isolated they become, the more they start behaving like backslidden Elijah, who vainly imagined he was the only one left holding to God correctly, and God blamed him for that, but gently assured him that he had reserved 7,000 saints unto himself who had not bowed the knee to Baal.
Ah yes, Elijah. I also thought of Job who never once cursed God while in his dilema and God loved him and preserved him through it all. James saw patience in Job but God saw abundance of pride in that never once did Job give glory to God for those things of God which were too wonderful for him to comprehend. Instead, he became wrapped up in himself.

When a sect of Christianity believes that only they hold the sole interpretation of scripture which is true to God's intended meaning, it is certain that their eyes will fall away from God, as Job's did, and as Bro. Michael Hranek often points out, and turn to their own will righteousness.

Regarding the death penalty; even though scripture may uphold it I personally am opposed to it. I came to this conviction when Karla Faye Tucker, born again while on death row, was executed in Texas on Feb 3, 1998.

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News Item9/7/11 10:16 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel wrote:
Not much that one can ADD (or should I say ADHD)to that.
Speaking of That; That, is a four letter word. Speaking of Four, Four is a Number. Isn't there a book in the Bible called Numbers? I wonder what the numbers really are, of people who think that getting off topic is being more intellegent that those poor limited people who try to keep to board principles.
Speaking of Principles. My school had a Vice Principal. Does that mean his principles were based on Vice?
Wow! (I can even say that backwards)that ought to be enough for a thousand topics. All of it being traced back to the death penalty of course.
You could blame SermonAudio for closing down the forums, where all these things could be discussed ad infinitum.

Oh, but if I remember, they often went off topic as well.

Ah well, variety is the spice of life, as they say, whoever THEY are.

But I do feel sorry if your daily life is a cause of consternation due to members of the Smoking Room, being armchair spiritual generals, do keep going off topic between fruit juices.

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News Item9/7/11 10:05 AM
StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel  Find all comments by StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel
Mike wrote:
The letter of the comments, and not the spirit? Attitudes of legalism show up in the oddest of places, do they not?
Not much that one can ADD (or should I say ADHD)to that.
Speaking of That; That, is a four letter word. Speaking of Four, Four is a Number. Isn't there a book in the Bible called Numbers? I wonder what the numbers really are, of people who think that getting off topic is being more intellegent that those poor limited people who try to keep to board principles.
Speaking of Principles. My school had a Vice Principal. Does that mean his principles were based on Vice?
Wow! (I can even say that backwards)that ought to be enough for a thousand topics. All of it being traced back to the death penalty of course.
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News Item9/7/11 7:58 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel wrote:
What? you didn't know Psalms vs. Hymns relate to the Death Penalty?
Bible versions, Denominations, and where you shop also have a direct bearing on the subject.
Unless; people have gotten caught up in defending their hobbyhorses. Na! S/A posters are too smart for that.
The letter of the comments, and not the spirit? Attitudes of legalism show up in the oddest of places, do they not?
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News Item9/7/11 7:48 AM
Randy  Find all comments by Randy
StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel wrote:
What? you didn't know Psalms vs. Hymns relate to the Death Penalty?
Bible versions, Denominations, and where you shop also have a direct bearing on the subject.
Unless; people have gotten caught up in defending their hobbyhorses. Na! S/A posters are too smart for that.
Obviously they are not listening to either of you. They remind me of two dogs in the middle of a busy road, fighting over a bone.
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News Item9/7/11 5:42 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
Lurker, I thought precisely the same thing.

However, if someone can prove to me that singing "Power In The Blood" or "How Great Thou Art" while washing the ol' jalopy on the drive is not true worship but Baal-worship, I will consider the matter further.

John UK
Considering this and other discussions here on SermonAudio makes me pause and appreicate:

2 Cor 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

NOT the letter which kills
BUT the spirit which gives life

A support of the death penalty for capital crimes that would be Biblical and in harmony with the justice of God and His desire that the innocent be protected

Imposing Psalms only gets very much into how the letter of the law can kill the love, the faith and the joy of being saved by God of being truly loved by God.

Let's indeed joyfully wash our old jalopies singing with thankfulness that He saved wretches like me.

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News Item9/7/11 4:54 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Lurker wrote:
You [RP] are entitled to believe what you may but to state that those who don't agree with your interpretation of scripture "don't love the Scripture" is a put down of multitudes of God fearing Christians who are not part of your camp and an insult.
Lurker, I thought precisely the same thing. The more rare someone's belief structure, and the more isolated they become, the more they start behaving like backslidden Elijah, who vainly imagined he was the only one left holding to God correctly, and God blamed him for that, but gently assured him that he had reserved 7,000 saints unto himself who had not bowed the knee to Baal.

However, if someone can prove to me that singing "Power In The Blood" or "How Great Thou Art" while washing the ol' jalopy on the drive is not true worship but Baal-worship, I will consider the matter further.

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News Item9/6/11 11:56 PM
StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel  Find all comments by StrainAtA GnatAndSwallowAcamel
OnePlusOneEqualsTeaInChina wrote:
Regarding The Death penalty: All these off topic comments really kill me.
What a leap; to psalmody from the death penalty.
What? you didn't know Psalms vs. Hymns relate to the Death Penalty?
Bible versions, Denominations, and where you shop also have a direct bearing on the subject.

Unless; people have gotten caught up in defending their hobbyhorses. Na! S/A posters are too smart for that.

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News Item9/6/11 9:58 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
RP wrote:
If I believe that part of the Regulative Principal of worship, is to deny will-worship and comply with the Scripture as regards the inspired hymnal of the Church in the worship of God, then I am following the exhortation of the Apostle John to keep myself and others from idolatry, which will worship is; Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." I fail to see that as an elitist attitude....
You are entitled to believe what you may but to state that those who don't agree with your interpretation of scripture "don't love the Scripture" is a put down of multitudes of God fearing Christians who are not part of your camp and an insult.

You can take my comment as constructive criticism or you can continue to justify your remark.... makes no difference to me.

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News Item9/6/11 1:49 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Lurker wrote:
Pssst. Your elitist attitude is showing again.
If I believe that part of the Regulative Principal of worship, is to deny will-worship and comply with the Scripture as regards the inspired hymnal of the Church in the worship of God, then I am following the exhortation of the Apostle John to keep myself and others from idolatry, which will worship is; Romans 1:25 "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen." I fail to see that as an elitist attitude, in the OT those who promoted idolatrous worship among the people of God could face the 'death penalty'; as it is a high-handed sin against God, which is of greater heinousness than sins even against man.
Paul warns against idolatry (will worship)as well in 1 Cor.6:9 as preventing one from inheriting the kingdom of God.

Guess I'm not one of your favorites, No matter, God knows my heart.

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News Item9/5/11 12:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Stock wrote:
Clergy simply means ordained minister(servant).
Laity simply means - not ordained.
1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the **office** of a **BISHOP**, he desireth a good work.
1Tim 3:8 Likewise must the **DEACONS** be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
1Tim 5:17 Let the **ELDERS** THAT **RULE** well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and **ORDAIN ELDERS** in every city, as I had appointed thee.
This post is entirely correct.

But you forgot to include the unordained evangelists and preachers found in the Acts of the Apostles.

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News Item9/5/11 12:40 PM
Stock  Find all comments by Stock
John UK wrote:
Did you see the words clergy or laity anywhere in the text?
Clergy simply means ordained minister(servant).
Laity simply means - not ordained.

1Tim 3:1 This is a true saying, If a man desire the **office** of a **BISHOP**, he desireth a good work.

1Tim 3:8 Likewise must the **DEACONS** be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;

1Tim 5:17 Let the **ELDERS** THAT **RULE** well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

Titus 1:5 For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and **ORDAIN ELDERS** in every city, as I had appointed thee.
= Does this mean the entire congregation is ordained elder??

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News Item9/5/11 11:48 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Stock wrote:
Looks like Paul and God got it wrong here then John.......
On the contrary, I reckon neither Paul nor God ever got it wrong.

Did you see the words clergy or laity anywhere in the text?

Did you check out all the scriptures relating to "the body of Christ" of which we are all members, where even the uncomely parts are highly necessary to the functioning of the body?

Surely you're not telling me you're a lazy good-for-nothing in the assembly, doing nothing but listening to sermons and singing a few rounds?

So what is your own particular ministry in your local church? It could be pastor or it could be encourager (much needed ministry) or it could be prayer-warrior or it could be hospitality or showing mercy or a hundred and one different things. Everyone has a part to play, not just the middle class nicely suited ones.

Maybe this is why the churches are generally so ineffective today; they are not using the resources God has sent into the church.

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News Item9/5/11 11:25 AM
Stock  Find all comments by Stock
John UK wrote:
You believe in clergy and laity, and I believe in "every man" ministry
Looks like Paul and God got it wrong here then John.......
1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
AND=
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
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ps I support the death penalty because the Bible does!
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News Item9/4/11 11:45 PM
OnePlusOneEqualsTeaInChina  Find all comments by OnePlusOneEqualsTeaInChina
Regarding The Death penalty: All these off topic comments really kill me.

What a leap; to psalmody fro the death penalty.

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News Item9/4/11 10:40 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
RP wrote:
Psalmody has always been a stumbling block for Arminians and those who don't love the Scripture....
Pssst. Your elitist attitude is showing again.
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News Item9/4/11 7:24 PM
RP  Find all comments by RP
Mike wrote:
John UK is full of himself because he affirms the Lord first, rather than religious uniformity?
Glad to see you have a sense of humor, RP.
It is affirming the truth of the Word and Christ is the Word; to desire a Covenanted Uniformity of religion by establishing Christ's exalted office as Head of His Church and Magistracy as Creator. Ephes.4:1-23 I wasn't jesting but rather exhorting in love.

Ephesians 5:17-19 "Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is. And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;"

Psalmody and being filled with the Spirit instead of self, which we are all prone to by nature without the Spirit's help is the means in private and public worship. I depend on the Psalms to direct praise, and prayer with prophetic expectation. Replacing this means of grace in reformed worship has allowed in much error. Psalmody has always been a stumbling block for Arminians and those who don't love the Scripture that states: Christ presence is in the inspired praise of his congregation, no matter how small at any given time.Psalm 22

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News Item9/4/11 6:17 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
RP wrote:
I am well aware of the promise, first given in Gen.3:15 of the Redeemer of the Church that consists of both Old and New Testament saints. You are full of yourself aren't you?
If you have been called to preach the gospel, then I think Hebrews 5:12 appropriate, "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat."
God's ministers must be able to teach both babes and the mature. I believe that the Scottish commissioners together with the English Puritans labored to bring a greater uniformity to the true religion, by contending for the faith once delivered to the saints by the means of the Confession of the Faith, held in some measure in 3 Nations in a General Assembly, to be more faithful to the Scripture then a lone ranger who changes Affirmations with the wind.
John UK is full of himself because he affirms the Lord first, rather than religious uniformity?

Glad to see you have a sense of humor, RP.

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