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Choice News SATURDAY, AUG 13, 2011  |  17 comments  |  1 commentary
Abortionist admits: babies sometimes born alive and left ‘wiggling around in the toilet’
In disturbing testimony during court proceedings against a well-known Florida abortionist, a fellow abortionist reportedly admitted that some aborted children are delivered alive and left “wiggling around in the toilet,” where they are allowed to die.

The testimony occurred during proceedings against abortionist James Pendergraft, who was forced to pay over $36 million last week for a botched procedure that left its intended target alive but severely disabled.

Michele Herzog of Pro-Life Action Ministries, a witness in the courtroom, said that jurors listened as abortionist Randall Whitney, one of Pendergrast’s accomplices, “cavalierly stated that yes, babies are delivered in the toilet all the time and many times are still alive, wiggling around in the toilet.” ...


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News Item8/25/11 11:01 AM
then  Find all comments by then
jpw wrote:
And again I say, "What?"
Abortion is the new "prolife"?
Oh no! jpw, don't tell me you are into traducianism?

jpw wrote:
eugenics is the system
jp you do realise that it is the "poor" who are having all the babies these days.
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News Item8/24/11 8:48 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Christian, no adjective wrote:
If that soul is to be aborted by a daily chemical pill will God provide the soul
And again I say, "What?"

Abortion is the new "prolife"?

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News Item8/24/11 9:22 AM
lingua franca  Find all comments by lingua franca
Christian Atheist wrote:
Early Christians were called Atheist because they didn't worship the gods/systems of this world
Be careful of what you wish for!

"Christian Atheist"
Definition:-
"Christian atheism is an ideology in which the belief in the god of Christianity is rejected or absent but the moral teachings of Jesus are followed. It is a belief that the stories of Jesus were meant to be related to in modern life but not taken literally. This belief is that the God of Christianity is nothing but a symbol"

"Most Christian atheists believe that God never existed, but there are a few who believe in the death of God literally. Thomas J. J. Altizer is a well known Christian atheist who is known for his literal approach to the death of God. He often speaks of God's death as a redemptive event. In his book The Gospel of Christian Atheism he speaks of how...

“every man today who is open to experience knows that God is absent, but only the Christian knows that God is dead, that the death of God is a final and irrevocable event, and that God’s death has actualized in our history a new and liberated humanity”" (Wiki)

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News Item8/24/11 7:59 AM
Christian, no adjective  Find all comments by Christian, no adjective
Christian Atheist wrote:
their wives take a little pill (chemical birth control) and they kill off the life that that could be in their womb awaiting to inplant it's self in the womb wall to mature into a child
God creates the soul of the mortal at conception.

God has foresight into the life of that soul and its outcome.

If that soul is to be aborted by a daily chemical pill will God provide the soul which is what provides the life in the foetus, baby .....

I would say that what comes first in life is the God given soul and the flesh then by the very existance of that soul is added over nine months.

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News Item8/23/11 10:49 PM
Christian Atheist  Find all comments by Christian Atheist
Early Christians were called Atheist because they didn't worship the gods/systems of this world. As a Christian, I do not place my children or my future children in the hands of Molec (human sacrifice). Soli Deo Gloria!
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News Item8/23/11 10:38 PM
AKC  Find all comments by AKC
Christian Atheist wrote:
As dark and evil that this article is you must consider what Christian men allow their wives to do in the sanctity of the Christian home. Every day, their wives take a little pill (chemical birth control) and they kill off the life that that could be in their womb awaiting to implant itself in the womb wall to mature into a child. Because of the effects of the pill, the life form passes through the womb to the toilet bowl as it wiggles around alive and finally dies. The SBC statement says that it protects life from conception on ... do we as Christians really practice what we preach? If we are practicing abortion at home, how can we be a shinning light to the nations?
True.

Just curious: Why do you consider yourself an "Atheist"?

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News Item8/23/11 9:56 PM
Christian Atheist  Find all comments by Christian Atheist
As dark and evil that this article is you must consider what Christian men allow their wives to do in the sanctity of the Christian home. Every day, their wives take a little pill (chemical birth control) and they kill off the life that that could be in their womb awaiting to inplant it's self in the womb wall to mature into a child. Because of the effects of the pill, the life form passes through the womb in to the toilet bowl as it wiggles around alive and finally dies. The SBC statement says that it protects life from conception on........do we as Christians really practise what we preached. If we are pratising abortion of home, how can we be a shinning light to the nations?
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News Item8/23/11 3:44 PM
Frank | Clearwater, FL  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Heleyon wrote:
How do you know that?
And, ICP.

Sorry for this late reply, but I just noticed your comment. God told us to be fruitful and multiply, so if we have children, then we are obeying God and if we are obeying God, then God isn't going to punish us or our children for our obedience. With that thought in mind, it would make no sense for children who have never volitionally disobeyed God to be punished by God since they weren't responsible for being born. That would be taking original sin too far.

Original sin means that we are all conceived with a sinful nature. All of us when given choices will make the wrong choices because of our natures, but children in the womb, severely retarded people, or children who aren't old enough to understand right or wrong can't sin against our holy God, because they can't make moral choices.

No I wasn't talking about universalism. But, what would be the charge against an aborted child at the judgment? Will Christ confront them because of their sins on judgment day? Thanks for the comment and question!

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News Item8/22/11 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ruth you might look at this What is the Destiny of Babies Who Die.

I think the idea of "limbo" is nonsense, B-16 attempts to put limbo into limbo

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News Item8/22/11 2:35 PM
Ruth  Find all comments by Ruth
I did struggle with the concept that all children who die go to heaven. Because they suffered oppression or in justice. It would seem then, that should be true of all oppressed suffers. I believe the issue is original sin. The guilt of original sin is enough to bring death and perdition unless the Spirit applies the merits of Christ extraordinarily. All the elect unborn will go to heaven and only God knows their election. We know God does all things well.

With the tremendous societal upheaval the world is no longer a safe place for children, women or elderly Eccles. 4:1-3; and Rev.14:12-13 came to mind. "So I returned, and considered all the oppressions that are done under the sun: and behold the tears of such as were oppressed, and they had no comforter; and on the side of their oppressors there was power; but they had no comforter. Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been, who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun."

see Rev.14:12-13 in context

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News Item8/22/11 1:39 PM
Paloys  Find all comments by Paloys
ICP wrote:
Isn't this a form of Universalism? Do all children who die go to Heaven?
The children being dealt with on this thread are unborn foetus, since they have not been a part of the world, nor a complete part of the flesh - What would the reason for their judgment into hell (punishment) be?
Wouldn't it be unjust to punish the innocent of sin soul.
Therfore is God unjust?

If God creates the soul at conception and by foresight knows the soul is destined for abortion, then is He culpable of "killing" by sending the foetus to hell, should He do so?

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News Item8/22/11 9:23 AM
ICP  Find all comments by ICP
Frank wrote:
But, these innocent little lives are already in the presence of our holy and loving God!
Isn't this a form of Universalism? Do all children who die go to Heaven?
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News Item8/22/11 8:20 AM
Heleyon | Great Britain  Protected NameFind all comments by Heleyon
Frank wrote:
But, these innocent little lives are already in the presence of our holy and loving God!
How do you know that?
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News Item8/15/11 3:55 PM
Frank | Clearwater, FL  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Very little discernment is needed to realize that this is just another example of just how evil mankind really is. Murdering an innocent life is bad enough, but when it is done by mothers it is beyond what we normally consider to be depravity.

But, these innocent little lives are already in the presence of our holy and loving God!

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News Item8/13/11 2:10 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
infertility rates are skyrocketing. and yes, this is a result of what is being taken into the body.

eugenics is the system.

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News Item8/13/11 12:05 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
modern medicine has been built around eugenics.

people just don't want to think about it, because they like their priest in a white coat. they like the feeling their pappa has it all under control.

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News Item8/13/11 7:23 AM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
"Historically, abortion and contraception were both considered “birth control,” a term [Margaret] Sanger herself coined."

-LCMS Administrator, Robert C. Baker, "Medicating against Motherhood? As the Pill Turns 50, a New Generation Seeks to Rediscover Marital Chastity"

If the demand for contraception is ever eliminated (especially in the Christian community), then, perhaps, the abortion industry will fall under its own weight.

Christe, eléison.

-Luke 18:38
"He called out, "Jesus, son of David, have mercy on me!""

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