Rupert Murdoch makes scandals… and Bibles, apparently
The world’s biggest Bible publisher, Zondervan, is owned by Harper Collins Publishers, which is owned by News Corp., which is owned by none other than Rupert Murdoch. The phone-tapping scandals at Murdoch’s News of the World have the potential to shake up publications across his empire, including the evangelical Zondervan.
Based in Grand Rapids, Mich., the company publishes Bibles, devotionals and Christian bestsellers, including The Purpose Driven Life and Stuff Christians Like. Though people are more likely to affiliate Murdoch with the Wall Street Journal than the NIV Bible, the leadership of this media tycoon may have an effect on Christian employees at Zondervan, Christian authors whose books they publish and Christian customers who buy their products....
No, King James wasn't one of the translators, he did want a translation to support the monarchy however, as did his servant in the Church of England want that and support of the English Church -- oh the reference I was suppose to have put in that last message of mine, The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV. King James, was more of dissolute mindset as much as anything else.
I would suppose relating all of this to Murdoch. He is interested is interested in one thing, and that's obvious and that's the bottom line this is why Zondervan will keep on publishing AV's and also seem to push the NIV quite heavily also. So Murdoch ownership has less effect on biblical publishing than King James being king had on the Bible itself.
jpw, I will assume that Murdock will keep on printing KJV of the Bible, because it's profitable, not stop printing them because of some sinister motive. As I pointed out the AV wasn't conceived from the best of motives,Christian Fellowship Church and Was "Godly" King James I a Liar, a Compromiser, or Both?. The AV is printed by Zondervan. As was pointed out by John UK The Trinitarian Bible Society plans to print an AV. People who want the NASB, can also get it from the Holman as well as "Spanish- LBLA/NASB Bilingual Bible Hardcover" published by them. The NKJV is published by Nelson.
So, Mr. Murdoch's greatest motive is to turn a buck, and for all I know he might be dangerous. He might support KJV onlyism.
From what I am reading above, the issue regarding teaching materials is not where it is printed. Yes, there are many Christians in Korea.
What I am reading in this article is that the leading publisher of study materials is owned by a globalist tycoon.
I have nothing against this printing company, by the way, I am simply referring to the article above. Others here may have more knowledge. (I am assuming there are some bible translation issues connected to this)
Owners will steer decisions, they will stack employees that have their vision. You have one man here, who has nothing to do with Christianity steering the teaching materials and the news (of those who still allow their minds washed by tv news)----
I found out by asking the person who oversees the IHCC bookstore if the Bibles they have are identified where they are printed, she pointed out the Ryrie Study Bible was as an example, this is the NAS version of course, but I would suppose that KJV Ryrie Bibles are as well? the best thing to do is to go to a bookstore and look on the copyright or ISBN page (or at least a page after the first one and you'll probably see where a Bible is printed. I would have no problem with a Bible printed in Korea, that country has a lot of Christians in it.
I really don't see how the Murdoch's problems would have any effect on their Bible printing business.
Say, King James nor the Anglican Church of his day wouldn't pass for Christian, and that doesn't seem to bother many on this thread.
TS wrote: You missed out the word "divinely"... "While people in the ‘King James Only Movement’ hold a range of opinions, they generally believe that the AV is Divinely inspired. Although Dr White has at times put TBS in this camp, we do not hold this view." There is a sense in which the KJV does not need to be "divinely inspired" since it is a copy of the original, in that respect it is the writers of the original who are what is termed "divinely inspired."
Yes thanks TS for the correction as it does really matter! Further proof of the necessity ONLY for faithful and accurate copies and to beware of omissions and also my need for new glasses
WayneUK wrote: " While people in the King James Movement hold to a range of opinions, they generally believe that the AV is inspired. Although Dr White has at times put TBS in this camp, we fo not hold this view." Same magazine page 30
You missed out the word "divinely"...
"While people in the ‘King James Only Movement’ hold a range of opinions, they generally believe that the AV is Divinely inspired. Although Dr White has at times put TBS in this camp, we do not hold this view."
There is a sense in which the KJV does not need to be "divinely inspired" since it is a copy of the original, in that respect it is the writers of the original who are what is termed "divinely inspired." However the TBS clearly considers the KJV to be the closest to the original since it is the only Bible which they publish.
Divine inspiration today comes from the Holy Spirit to the elect when receiving the truth from Scripture. For example the Liberal and Roman Catholics do not receive this truth.
Having said that God's providence can surely be perceived in the fact that the Word of God, KJV, has come through the ages to be with us today. Something the Westcott and Hort influenced modern versions cannot agree with!
"we cannot agree with much of Dr White's textual work, and are preparing a substantial article critiquing his book The King James Only Controversey, which we hope to publish on our website in due course" TBS Quarterly Record Magazine July 2011 page 30
" While people in the King James Movement hold to a range of opinions, they generally believe that the AV is inspired. Although Dr White has at times put TBS in this camp, we fo not hold this view." Same magazine page 30
In my humble opinion a majority of Christians reject the KJV through reading that one book by Dr White. Few have examined the whole debate and would be unable to even critique the book The King James Only Controversey, so put much faith in Dr Whites understanding. So before placing Dr White (a good Christian bro') on a pedestal, what if that majority are mistaken and he is wrong in some of his views?
If a person doesn't even know the Reformed protestant view on providential preservation and that is the view of the TBS. And have never even examined the TBS view, might they need to read that forthcoming critique also?!
Jim, can you explain, in your own words, what exactly is the controversy described in this article---the one you are commenting on? What is meant by, "phone-tapping scandals" and "shake up......his empire"?
John, U.K., we disagree in the high 90% of the time, that's because most of our disagreements are about the AV. However, I like your last two posts! Publishing the AV even with the Preface (I would also would think the The Apocrypha in the middle and with the marginal notes would also be in order? But anyway, publishing the Preface is thought provoking---good show.
Hmm, again another of those of conspiracy posts. Some things are self-evident, but where's your proof about what you commented on jpw? By the way, you can't buy anything anymore that isn't made in China since most of our manufacturing is now done in China. I just looked on the Internet on the publisher's pages in some of my more recent Bibles and it is hard to tell where Bibles are printed. I found this interesting comment on the Internet, Where was your Bible printed?
Scott McMahan wrote: publishers outsource the printing of their Bibles to companies which do the printing in China
The reason why mundane jobs such as manufacturing and printing have moved abroad is because Brits (and others) have demanded more and more money for their work, hence the reason is mammon worship in western countries.
About Murdoch and chinese publishers - Are you saying that these folks can defeat the purpose of God in getting the Word of God, (KJV of course) to His disciples???.....
Or to put it another way - Can sinners defeat God???
I was wondering if the news would make it across the waters--since the American audience are the saps, the receivers of such orchestrated news--even on the most important event of 911.
Interesting that the other owners of the great "conservative" (not) news is wahhabi saudi elitists.
But those who bleed blue and red will swear that this news will give them the "Christian" bent, that from their Iz and Humanistic globalist masters, so that their children and their money can be conscribed for their advancements (to the detriment of goat herders on the other side of the world).
Not too cool wrote: "The Trinitarian Bible Society has been associated with the King-James-Only Movement. However, as the Society has publicly stated, ‘The Trinitarian Bible Society does not believe the Authorised Version to be a perfect translation, only that it is the best available translation in the English language’." Like Murdoch, TBS appears to be a para-church organization so they have all sail and no anchor to protect the Bible text.
Firstly, I don't see what your comment has to do with having Bibles printed in China.
Scott McMahan wrote: Zondervan and many (if not most) other Bible publishers outsource the printing of their Bibles to companies which do the printing in China. By purchasing these Bibles, a Christian is effectively supporting the repression of Christians in China since the profits from the printing are going to support the Chinese government.
That would provide some explanation for why the Rhema Bible Training Center graduate pastor fellow gave pause in his serious sermon to crack a smile while pointing out that our Bibles were all printed on rice paper produced in China. It's a bit tough to sum up the Chinese government (and therefore the majority of its people) as a surety to persecute the way the Holy Bible teaches, though, however much they have and or do ditch their calling to glory.
“What are we to make of the fact that every time we buy a Zondervan product we contribute to Murdoch’s mogul-dom, which includes a personal fortune that Forbes pegged at $6.3 billion last year”?
This is an excellent question. A Christian who aligns themself with Zondervan is supporting a man who is responsible for profiting greatly off of pornography, who profits off of the publication of the Satanic Bible and of course overseas criminal organizations who illegally wiretap phones etc. To top it all off his pastor, Rick Warren, does not place this man under church discipline but seems to be pretty okay with his behavior.
"15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?...17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, 18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (2 Cor 6)
John UK wrote: 3. The Trinitarian Bible Society have always printed in England (Cambridge, I think), and now have their own facility to safeguard the precious text by printing their own Bibles in their HQ in London, complete with Preface.
"The Trinitarian Bible Society has been associated with the King-James-Only Movement. However, as the Society has publicly stated,
‘The Trinitarian Bible Society does not believe the Authorised Version to be a perfect translation, only that it is the best available translation in the English language’."
Like Murdoch, TBS appears to be a para-church organization so they have all sail and no anchor to protect the Bible text.
Scott McMahan wrote: Should Christians not be holding Bible publishers to a higher standard? Just about all Bible publishers are outsourcing printing to China now, so it's not like you can choose to support the publisher who doesn't do it.
1. Yes. 2. Most Bible publishers are in it for the money, so that is par for the course. 3. The Trinitarian Bible Society have always printed in England (Cambridge, I think), and now have their own facility to safeguard the precious text by printing their own Bibles in their HQ in London, complete with Preface. 4. You think "no one is listening, no one cares"? Incorrect, Scott. A few do.
The reporter asks: "As customers, do you care" and I think the answer is an unambiguous, definite no.
Zondervan and many (if not most) other Bible publishers outsource the printing of their Bibles to companies which do the printing in China. By purchasing these Bibles, a Christian is effectively supporting the repression of Christians in China since the profits from the printing are going to support the Chinese government.
I think this is a much bigger issue than anything Rupert Murdock does. Yet Christians have ignored this issue. Even SermonAudio broadcasters won't touch it and ignore my pleas to cover the issue. I'm trying to raise awareness of it, but no one is listening. No one cares.
Should Christians not be holding Bible publishers to a higher standard? Just about all Bible publishers are outsourcing printing to China now, so it's not like you can choose to support the publisher who doesn't do it.
Unless SBC leaders (or another large conservative denomination) own a popular orthodox English (and while they're at it, Spanish) Bible translation copyright, they will be forced to suffer with the vagaries of Big Media.
Murdoch's fiasco is just a foretaste of the things to come.
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I just looked on the Internet on the publisher's pages in some of my more recent Bibles and it is hard to tell where Bibles are printed. I found this interesting comment on the Internet, 
