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Lutheran denomination clarifies view after Bachmann departure
The nation's third-largest Lutheran denomination moved to clarify its views on the Catholic Church Monday, after being drawn into the national political debate by presidential candidate Michele Bachmann.

The Wauwatosa-based Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the most theologically conservative of the nation's three main Lutheran denominations, issued a statement on its website explaining its long-held tenet that the Catholic papacy is the anti-Christ. But it said that position is born of doctrinal differences rather than anti-Catholic bigotry.

"We respect the right of people to hold beliefs different from ours even as we point out the error," WELS president, the Rev. Mark Schroeder, said in the statement.

"Testifying to the errors that still exist in Catholic doctrine is itself an expression of love," he said. ...


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Sone  Find all comments by Sone
John Yurich USA wrote:
And why would the Holy Spirit care what church someone who is Born Again attends as long as the church worships Jesus as God since church membership is totally superfluous to salvation?
John Yurich.
The Holy Spirit is 'concerned' about accurate Biblical witness, therefore HE brings the true Christians away from idolatrous blasphemous practices as are seen in the Roman Catholic outfit.

The Holy Spirit guides us into all truth as the Bible teaches. Thus the Roman Catholic worship of graven images is against Holy law, as is the worship of Mary on pieces of toast, the worship of dead bodies, bones and bits of wood, ie relics - Are all unBiblical and abhorrent to the Lord.
You should not do these things John.

Thats why this Lutheran church is Biblically correct John, when it states...

article wrote:
the most theologically conservative of the nation's three main Lutheran denominations, issued a statement on its website explaining its long-held tenet that the Catholic papacy is the anti-Christ
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News Item7/28/11 10:05 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Sone wrote:
If you had really been saved and a Christian then God the Holy Spirit and grace would have prevented your move into the blasphemy of the Roman Catholic system.
As Christ states "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Mat 7:22.
But they are not saved!
And why would the Holy Spirit care what church someone who is Born Again attends as long as the church worships Jesus as God since church membership is totally superfluous to salvation? Nowhere in the Bible is church membership in any church and that includes Fundamentalist Protestant Churches equated with salvation. So why do you guys keep stating that unless someone who is Born Again leaves the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and unites with a Fundamentalist Protestant Church that they are not really saved? You guys must believe that membership in a Fundamentalist Protestant Church is a requirement for salvation?
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News Item7/27/11 2:54 PM
Sone  Find all comments by Sone
Anon wrote:
1. Since you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the "antichrist" leading his billion-member flock off of salvation's cliff into Hell: For their "good," aren't you, ultimately, an advocate for one who would destroy the Pope and St. Peter's Basilica as Anders Behring Breivik would desire of Islam in Norway?

2. Isn't "The Pope is that Antichrist" an ancient label WCF XXV:vi 1646 that a modern baptized right-wing wacko fundamentalist.....

1. I am one of the elect of God. A Bible believing Christian. For that reason and also because MY God teaches; "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." Ro 12:19. - Then I will leave the antichrist to God's vengeance, and have pity on him and all who sail into shipwreck with him.

2. The TRUTH is no less the truth in 1646 as it is in 2011 - or for that matter at any time in history. As a Reformed and Protestant Christian, praise God, who believes the Bible, is the Word of God, by the Holy Spirit, I have no reason to be any more than God has providentially ordained me to be.

All praise and glory be to God our Father and Christ Jesus the Son of God, The Word who became flesh.
Sola Scriptura!!

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News Item7/27/11 2:21 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, only the ignorant forget that His Unholiness is still pushing the (catholic) sainthood of evil men, "Hitler's Pope" Pius XII---Introduction or Canonising Pope John Paul II with blood on his hands. So, what Luther and Calvin said, q.v., URL=http://www.gty.org/Resources/Print/Sermons/90-291>The Pope and the Papacy is as true today as when they said that the Pope (and that's any pope for that matter) is an antichrist.

No, I don't want to see the Vatican destroyed, it and other pagan temples should be held as example to Christians, what Christianity isn't.

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News Item7/27/11 12:39 PM
Anon  Find all comments by Anon
Sone wrote:
This "Vicar" has his seat of power in the papacy (Vatican) where, (along with his advisors) he continues through history to concoct and construct the alternatives to Bible truths and precepts.
This is the reason why the Reformers called the papacy "the antichrist" - because he/they are "anti" Scripture AND replace Christ with tradition, idolatry, maryolatry, saints, relics and the blasphemous mass.
This is definitively "ANTI" Christ who is the Word become flesh!!
Since you believe that Pope Benedict XVI is the "antichrist" leading his billion-member flock off of salvation's cliff into Hell: For their "good," aren't you, ultimately, an advocate for one who would destroy the Pope and St. Peter's Basilica as Anders Behring Breivik would desire of Islam in Norway?

Isn't "The Pope is that Antichrist" an ancient label (WCF XXV:vi 1646) that a modern baptized right-wing wacko fundamentalist anarchist biblicist will gladly take up to that end?

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News Item7/27/11 10:57 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
May I suggest you dont let the errors of the Bishop of Rome bring you into perdition?

Sone wrote:
Denying Jesus as Christ is done subtly and cunningly (Satan's methods) by fabricating a false "body of Christ" - viz church.
This "church" then fabricates an alternative to Christ....
Thus we get "The RC Vicar of Christ" to replace the Lord in many ways.
This "Vicar" has his seat of power in the papacy (Vatican) where, (along with his advisors) he continues through history to concoct and construct the alternatives to Bible truths and precepts.
This is the reason why the Reformers called the papacy "the antichrist" - because he/they are "anti" Scripture AND replace Christ with tradition, idolatry, maryolatry, saints, relics and the blasphemous mass.
This is definitively "ANTI" Christ who is the Word become flesh!!
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News Item7/27/11 10:52 AM
Sone  Find all comments by Sone
SteveR wrote:
Have you read the entire chapter? The true doctrine spoken of is that Jesus is indeed the Christ. Roman Catholics share that belief
Denying Jesus as Christ is done subtly and cunningly (Satan's methods) by fabricating a false "body of Christ" - viz church.
This "church" then fabricates an alternative to Christ....

Thus we get "The RC Vicar of Christ" to replace the Lord in many ways.
This "Vicar" has his seat of power in the papacy (Vatican) where, (along with his advisors) he continues through history to concoct and construct the alternatives to Bible truths and precepts.

This is the reason why the Reformers called the papacy "the antichrist" - because he/they are "anti" Scripture AND replace Christ with tradition, idolatry, maryolatry, saints, relics and the blasphemous mass.

This is definitively "ANTI" Christ who is the Word become flesh!!

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News Item7/27/11 10:27 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
Sone,
Have you read the entire chapter? The true doctrine spoken of is that Jesus is indeed the Christ. Roman Catholics share that belief

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

An example of a violation of the 2 John 1:11 you quoted was when Sean Hannity bade 'Godspeed' to Bibi Netenyahu on FOX news

Sone wrote:
"2John v10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."
Roman Catholics are not brethren to the Christian Church.
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News Item7/27/11 10:05 AM
Sone  Find all comments by Sone
SteveR wrote:
btw; You can disagree with how your brethren understand their faith without casting them into the Lake of Fire
"2John v10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds."

Roman Catholics are not brethren to the Christian Church.

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News Item7/27/11 9:45 AM
SteveR  Find all comments by SteveR
You have been seriously beguiled

btw; You can disagree with how your brethren understand their faith without casting them into the Lake of Fire

1 John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Sone wrote:
If you had really been saved and a Christian then God the Holy Spirit and grace would have prevented your move into the blasphemy of the Roman Catholic system.
As Christ states "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Mat 7:22.
But they are not saved!
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News Item7/27/11 9:29 AM
Sone  Find all comments by Sone
Bibliophile wrote:
Since I'm soundly saved by grace alone, thorough faith in Christ do I retain my salvation if I'm a member of the Southern Baptist Convention (which I was years ago) but lose it as a member of the Catholic Church (which I am now)?
If you had really been saved and a Christian then God the Holy Spirit and grace would have prevented your move into the blasphemy of the Roman Catholic system.

As Christ states "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?" Mat 7:22.

But they are not saved!

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News Item7/26/11 6:04 PM
Bibliophile  Find all comments by Bibliophile
Mike wrote:
Remember one isn't a member of God's Church until one is saved. Papal bulls cannot produce, nor prevent, nor cause one to lose salvation.
Since I'm soundly saved by grace alone, thorough faith in Christ do I retain my salvation if I'm a member of the Southern Baptist Convention (which I was years ago) but lose it as a member of the Catholic Church (which I am now)?

Does signing a membership card somehow guard you in one organization yet later damn you in another?

If a papal bull has no eternal effect, why would a membership card even if it has the SBC logo at the top?

(Now that I think about it, I'm probably still a member of the SBC.)

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News Item7/26/11 5:00 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Researcher wrote:
"January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church."
Was Luther damned on January 2, 1521 but was saved only after he was barred from communion on January 3, 1521?
Therefore only after the Church, itself, excommunicated him by a papal bull -- he was saved?
Remember one isn't a member of God's Church until one is saved. Papal bulls cannot produce, nor prevent, nor cause one to lose salvation.
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News Item7/26/11 4:44 PM
Flidgard  Find all comments by Flidgard
Researcher wrote:
"January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church."
Was Luther damned on January 2, 1521 but was saved only after he was barred from communion on January 3, 1521?
Therefore only after the Church, itself, excommunicated him by a papal bull -- he was saved?
Researcher; Are you a Roman Catholic?

The Elect were booked for salvation before the foundation of the world.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will"

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News Item7/26/11 3:57 PM
Researcher  Find all comments by Researcher
Flidgard wrote:
The Roman Catholic organisation became such an idolatous, blasphemous deceiver that the Lord ordained the Reformation, whereby He removed His Church and disciples and brought them to Scripture law, precept and doctrines.
"January 3, 1521, Pope Leo X issues the papal bull Decet Romanum Pontificem, which excommunicates Martin Luther from the Catholic Church."

Was Luther damned on January 2, 1521 but was saved only after he was barred from communion on January 3, 1521?

Therefore only after the Church, itself, excommunicated him by a papal bull -- he was saved?

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News Item7/26/11 3:34 PM
Flidgard  Find all comments by Flidgard
John Yurich USA wrote:
The Bible makes no reference to the term anti-christ in conjunction with a religious office. The Bible only states Anti-Christ and anti-christs being a man and individuals
John Yurich
You seem to be having a problem with english comprehension here. The "Papacy" can only exist as an office "of the Pope." The Reformers were not talking about an empty office which seems to be YOUR understanding of the word!!

1John 2:18 ... and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

The allegation which John makes here is against those who are UNBiblical, therefore "anti" Christ. The Papacy has historically been filled by sinners, eg JPII and Benedict 16, (and there advisers) who encourage heresy, blasphemy and idolatry which of course, are all anti Bible, viz antichrist. Therefore the seat of this evil satanic organisation is the papacy, - which runs the heresy, blasphemy and idolatry. Hence the seat of the antichrist.

The Roman Catholic organisation became such an idolatous, blasphemous deceiver that the Lord ordained the Reformation, whereby He removed His Church and disciples and brought them to Scripture law, precept and doctrines.

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News Item7/26/11 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, John Y., I even chapter and verse about antichrists! but remember A list of --some of-- the "Bad Popes"?

1 Timothy 3
2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach,---NASB

Geneva Bible Commentary for the above wrote:
Therefore he that shuts out married men from the office of bishops, only because they are married, is antichrist.
Remember the apostle Peter who was said to be first Pope, but is almost certain he wasn't, was married.
Thomas Watson wrote:
The first Error is this, The papists do hold, That the Pope is the Head of the Church: This is diametrically and point-blank opposite to the Scripture, Col. 2.9. Christ is there called, The Head of the Church. Now to make the Pope the Head of the Church is to make the Church monstrous by having two Heads. This is to make the Spouse of Christ an Harlot. I read, Rev. 13.1, of a Beast rising out of the sea.
from, A Sermon Against the Roman Catholic Church
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News Item7/26/11 8:55 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Flidgard wrote:
The papacy "religious office" ALWAYS has a man in it!
..... otherwise this "office" could not exist!
The papacy is the antichrist.
Martin Luther
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 2., pg. 121"
Thomas Cranmer (Anglican)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7."
The Bible makes no reference to the term anti-christ in conjunction with a religious office. The Bible only states Anti-Christ and anti-christs being a man and individuals. You claim to follow the Bible but you are quoting individuals who stated that the Papacy is anti-christ when that is in total disagreement with the Bible's reference to Anti-Christ and anti-christs.
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News Item7/26/11 8:37 AM
Flidgard  Find all comments by Flidgard
John Yurich USA wrote:
The Bible only refers to Anti-Christ and anti-christs as a man and individuals and not a religious office. Therefore logically the office of the Papacy can't be anti-christ.
The papacy "religious office" ALWAYS has a man in it!

..... otherwise this "office" could not exist!

The papacy is the antichrist.

Martin Luther
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520) Taken from The Prophetic Faith of Our Fathers, Vol. 2., pg. 121"

Thomas Cranmer (Anglican)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from Works by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7."

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News Item7/26/11 8:14 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Flidgard wrote:
John Yurich
You need to understand the word in its broader meaning and context.
Dictionary:-
Papacy::-
"1. the office, dignity, or jurisdiction of the pope.
2. the system of ecclesiastical government in which the pope is recognized as the supreme head.
3. the period during which a certain pope is in office."
Thus the 'papacy' extends beyond just the papal office to cover the heretical evil output and blasphemous utterings of this satanic organisation.
Thus the present incumbent is antichrist by Satan's use, to fabricate the false church of religious imitation and counterfeit doctrines, aimed at gullible reprobates who collectively become the false witness which is the Roman Catholic institution.
The Bible only refers to Anti-Christ and anti-christs as a man and individuals and not a religious office. Therefore logically the office of the Papacy can't be anti-christ.
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