Is it possible to talk about one’s theological convictions in a way that is faithful and also winsome as Christian? Is there a way to do that?
The question posed by Tim Keller to his fellow interlocutors, Mike Horton and Matt Chandler, kick started a discussion on what Christians must consider while they disagree among themselves and with other theological opponents.
“I think there’s definitely a way to do it,” said Chandler, pastor at the Village Church. “It’s been my experience that it works best in the context of a relationship.”...
Your Catholic Friend wrote: Dear Lurker, To your Bible verse question: "And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission." -Hebrews 9:22 Amen! As in the OT, there's no remission of sin without Christ's death on the cross in the NT. In that, we celebrate the re-presentation of Christ's death at every Mass.
Teflon,
I've been unable to reply as my computer was on the fritz.
"We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins." Catholic Nicene Creed
So you are re-baptized at every mass? Re-baptized into what? Christ's death? Know ye not that the life of all flesh is in the blood (Lev 17:11)?
What, then, does infant water baptism, which I assume the Nicene Creed refers to, afford? And how will you reconcile this practice to Hebrews 9:22?
And finally; Where is the blood in the confessional booth? To wit (according to the RCC interpretation... ): Mat 16:19, John 20:23.
And when do you suppose this threat came to pass which effectively nullified these two texts?
Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Opinion on the harlet wrote: The catholic church does not like the bible or people who follow it!! Since Constantine the catholic church has martyred 50 to 100 million true Christians. There is absolutly no common ground between a real born agen christian and an apostate catholic church
Opinion on the harlot Frank Clearwater FL Good posts
I might add as well modern day apostates and those in error don't like the Bible and those who love it and seek to faithful preach and live by it either.
I remember a "Liberal" Southern Baptist Pastor of about 2000 with a doctorate in theology spouting off something to the effect (about 30 years ago) 'Don't come quoting the Bible to me! I can probably quote it back to you in 5 different translations.'
Kind of like Catholics can say they like or love the Bible (here is sad humor - it makes a great religious decoration for them) and read selected verses with a very Catholic spin on it, like avoiding the 2nd of the 10 Commandments against idolatry.
Your Catholic Friend wrote: Dear Opinion on the harlet, Blessings to you! Do you have several sources that substantiate your statistic that the "catholic church has martyred 50 to 100 million true Christians"? I've never read this in any of my Protestant or Catholic history books. May the God of all glory bless you! In Christ, Your Catholic Friend
I strongly recomend to you;
A Lamp in the Dark (dvd) This is a documentary on the early christians including interviews by leading bible schollers David Brown, Roger Oakland, Alan O’Reilly, D.A. Waite and others. Also included are chief curators from the British Library in London, Erasmus House in Belgium, and the William Tyndale Museum in Vilvoorde, where Tyndale himself was burnt at the stake. Also; "A woman rides the beast" by Dave Hunt also a dvd.
Make sure you take the time to watch these resources, you will find them very enlightning. John 8 verse 31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”
As Protestants love the Bible, so does the Catholic Church:
Your Catholic Friend
Yea, Right! Pardon me for butting in Lurker, but it's hard to remain silent at such a rediculous statement.
The Roman Catholic Catechism Paragraph #97 says, "Sacred tradition and sacred scripture make up a single, sacred deposit of the Word of God."
Also,
"Consequently it is not from Sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence. – Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation (Dei Verbum), promulgated by Paul VI on November 18, 1965, Chap. 2, para 10"
Re 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:"
Re 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book."
Opinion on the harlet wrote: The catholic church does not like the bible or people who follow it!! Since Constantine the catholic church has martyred 50 to 100 million true Christians. There is absolutly no common ground between a real born agen christian and an apostate catholic church
Well said! Most people aren't aware of their actual history and just how many they have killed and tortured. The RC have been very successful revising their history, like the Mormons, and since Vatican 2, they are thought of as actually being in the faith. I remember as a kid being raised in the RC church. We would say we were Catholics and never use the term Christian, but it is different now.
Anyway, your post is true and accurate and to the point. Good for you.
The catholic church does not like the bible or people who follow it!! Since Constantine the catholic church has martyred 50 to 100 million true Christians. There is absolutly no common ground between a real born agen christian and an apostate catholic church
Amen! As in the OT, there's no remission of sin without Christ's death on the cross in the NT. In that, we celebrate the re-presentation of Christ's death at every Mass.
In order for a Catholic to enter immediately into heaven when they die, (skip purgatory) they have to die in a perfecly sinless state. That means they must have confessed all their venial and mortal sins to a Priest. Now ironically they have the perfectly sinless part correct, but the "how to" wrong.
Genuine Christians also believe that only the perfectly sinless can enter into heaven, but our perfection is the perfection of our Lord and Savior that has been imputed to us through God's grace and mercy.
Theirs is a cult based on fear, works, and manmade traditions. They make a mockery of the cross of our Lord and Savior and what He sacrificed for us.
Your Catholic Friend wrote: The vast majority of Christian ecclesial bodies teach that Baptism remits sin (i.e., Catholic, Orthodox and Lutheran) per biblical precepts and Church History.
Lurker wrote: That may well be true but that doesn't make the doctrine true. As a matter of biblical fact, the doctrine is dead wrong as I pointed out in another thread......
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Now, however biblically correct the extreme majority of the Nicene Creed is; it is fatally flawed in a foundational precept that God will not wink at and say "Close enough". And since sin is what separates man from God, eternally if not remitted; anyone who puts their trust in this confession has no part in God the Father, Son or Holy Spirit.
It seems you have a habit of ignoring posts which you can't answer and move on to another tack in the hope of snaring a real Christian. The sad part of it is; you are not ignoring me but the Holy Spirit inspired text I quoted; in short, you are ignoring God.
I'm going to confer to you the name The Teflon Catholic because the Truth won't stick to you.
Your Catholic Friend wrote: ...it's vital and biblical to hear both sides of the story, wouldn't you agree?
No, I don't agree! And neither do you! It's biblical to test and expose error by the light of Scripture. Richard Bennett, who is a former Roman Catholic priest, has done just that in the sermon (discussion) which I linked to - comparing your churches catechism with the Bible. Tell me, where he has erred? It's totally unscriptural to be indifferent concerning error.
Ro 1:18 "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness..."
Even your pretense that there is no problem with open dialog between light and darkness is a bold lie, and one that many have been ensnared by.
Ephesians 5:13 "But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."
With at least 769 articles about the Catholic Church -- more than any other "Breaking News" category -- the Church is *the* prime focus of SermonAudio.com. Does SA.com have any sermons from Catholics to ensure equal time and balance?
"He that is first in his own cause seemeth just; but his neighbour cometh and searcheth him" (Proverbs 18:17).
While it's great to hear from Protestant pastors, it's vital and biblical to hear both sides of the story, wouldn't you agree?
jpw wrote: YCF---I never said my salvation is in my prayer and in the signing of my pen. I have said that the covenant is Christ, written by him, and accomplished by him. I will not debate you on this.
Your Catholic Friend wrote: However, why is there a need for so many disagreements? If Protestants had a common Gospel Summary (e.g., the Catholic Church's Nicene Creed) or the equivalent of our Catechism of the Catholic Church, perhaps your disagreements, schisms and divisions (AKA denominations) would be more infrequent.
As per usual the Roman Catholic excludes GOD from the process. But then that is the basis of their works based religion.
The popish "church" worships unBiblically the idolatry of dead sinners, maryolatry, iconolatry, statuettes and relics. Thus their "graven imagery" religion is unGodly, not Spirit led, unScriptural and reprobate.
Since Roman Catholicism can be clearly seen to be non-elect, we can use this as a means by which we perceive the true Biblical Christian doctrines and Spirit based faith, worship and witness.
But sadly in this fallen world "many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of." 2Peter 2.
Blessings in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!
You cite Dr. John MacArthur, a baptist, with a single viewpoint regarding baptism.
Although a consistent teacher, Dr. MacArthur is a ultimately a professional Catholic protester. Obviously he's biased against the baptism majority report.
YCF---I never said my salvation is in my prayer and in the signing of my pen. I have said that the covenant is Christ, written by him, and accomplished by him. I will not debate you on this.
And one would hope that one don't follow false shepards such as the Catholic pope The Pope and the Papacy.
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes, nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 "Even so, every good tree bears good fruit; but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.---NASB
jpw wrote: Christ's atonement covered my sins and set me free to the law of liberty. I need none of these other things. Ah, the yoke of Christ is much lighter. Alleluia! The sheep hear his voice.
Dear jpw,
Contrary to many Protestant leaders' teachings, saying a prayer and signing a booklet (e.g., "The Four Spiritual Laws") is not the end of one's spiritual journey but just the beginning.
May we follow Christ as little children.
It's a blessing to hear our great Shepherd's voice and -- through obedience -- following Him!
Your Catholic Friend wrote: The vast majority of Christian ecclesial bodies teach that Baptism remits sin (i.e., Catholic, Orthodox and Lutheran) per biblical precepts and Church History.
That may well be true but that doesn't make the doctrine true. As a matter of biblical fact, the doctrine is dead wrong as I pointed out in another thread......
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Now, however biblically correct the extreme majority of the Nicene Creed is; it is fatally flawed in a foundational precept that God will not wink at and say "Close enough". And since sin is what separates man from God, eternally if not remitted; anyone who puts their trust in this confession has no part in God the Father, Son or Holy Spirit.
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