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WEDNESDAY, JUN 29, 2011  |  26 comments
3 Main Bodies in Christianity Reach 'Historic' Agreement in Evangelism Ethics
The three main bodies in Christianity, representing about 90 percent of Christians worldwide, released a "historic" agreement Monday on how Christians should conduct themselves when witnessing in a religiously diverse context.

It is the first time that bodies representing evangelicals, mainline Protestants and Catholics have joined together to endorse a major document.

"This is a historic document, a historic moment and a time for Christians to awake once again to our calling to mission and unity, always bearing in mind the ways in which Jesus calls us to do so," the Rev. Dr. Geoff Tunnicliffe, secretary general of the WEA, said at a press conference at the Ecumenical Center in Geneva. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
BBB, so far you haven't supported anything like "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory". But while on occasion for people to pick up Ryrie Study KJV Study Bible, because the AV is so outdated but because so many people cling to it much like others do with Roman Catholic Traditions, It would help at least explain the problems people will have with Elizabethan English. It is not a perfect reference Bible, though much better than a Romish Bible with it's bad commentaries.

No, many pastors would suggest an Inductive Study Bible, e.g., NAS The New Inductive Study Bible, which--to the best of knowledge--will not have any commentary alongside the text, though may give ideas about studying a particular book of the Bible at the book's introduction. This is way the one that have, is.

Oh, it looks likes there some good organizations mixed in with the bad in the Protestant umbrella outfit--not good.

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News Item7/5/11 3:41 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
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News Item7/5/11 3:32 PM
Bible Black Belt  Find all comments by Bible Black Belt
Jim Lincoln wrote:
jj33, you answered my question, so all three organizations aren't Christian, so whatever is said should be ignored, case closed on that matter.
Apparently the Webster's 1913 dictionary said something of the same thing, but was a bit more polite about it.

However, all that we are to hold to is in the Bible there are no oral traditions for us to bother with such as the Roman Catholic Tradition.

Jim,

Luther coined "Sola Scriptura" (Circa 1520) which means the Bible, the whole Bible and nothing but the Bible.

Any dictionary or commentary is an accretion, a barnacle, on Protestant hulls.

Thus, over time and with enough accretions, these significantly alter the many Protestant vessels' destinations.

Therefore, as you stated, "All that we are to hold to is in the Bible there are no oral traditions for us to bother with."

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News Item7/5/11 3:22 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
Hmmm...
*Billy Graham Center
*Brethren in Christ World Missions
*Campus Crusade for Christ International
*Compassion
*Evangelical Free Church Mission
*Good News Productions International(GNPI)
*Harbour International Ministries
*Healthcare Christian Fellowship International
*Holy Bible Society
*International Bible Society
*Jews for Jesus
*Mission Aviation Fellowship
*Mission to Unreached Peoples
*The Navigators
*OMS International
*Open Doors International
*Operation Mobilisation
*Overseas Council International
*Overseas Radio and Television, Inc.
*Partners International
*Pioneers International
*Project Partner with Christ
*Ravi Zacharias International Ministries(RZIM)
*Scripture Union International Council
*SEND International
*SIM Serving in Mission
*South America Mission, Inc.
*The Evangelical Alliance Mission(TEAM)
*The Sentinel Group
*Trainers of Pastors International Coalition(TOPIC)
*United States Center for World Mission(USCWM)
*United World Mission
*The Voice of the Martyrs(Canada)
*World Concern
*World Mission
*World Mission Prayer League(WMPL)
*World Team, Inc.
*World Thrust International
*World Venure
*World Witness
*You
*THE SATANIC+ROMAN+VATICAN
&
*Jim Lincoln

*HOLD ALEXANDRIAN-ARIAN-TEXT OVER GOD'S HOLY TEXTUS-RECEPTUS !*

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News Item7/5/11 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
jj33, you answered my question, so all three organizations aren't Christian, so whatever is said should be ignored, case closed on that matter.

Apparently the Webster's 1913 dictionary said something of the same thing, but was a bit more polite about it.

WM Dictionary 1913 wrote:
4. (Theol.) (a) An unwritten code of law represented to have been given by God to Moses on Sinai.
Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered. Mark vii. 13.
(b) That body of doctrine and discipline, or any article thereof, supposed to have been put forth by Christ or his apostles, and not committed to writing.
Stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Thess. ii. 15.
However, all that we are to hold to is in the Bible there are no oral traditions for us to bother with such as the Roman Catholic Tradition.
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News Item6/30/11 11:47 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
jj33 wrote:
Who are members of the WEA?
jj33
That's an impressive list.
Along with them, WEA totes around a lot of leftist/marxist and "interfaith" types, starting from whithin.

"Dr. Joel C. Hunter, a board member of the World Evangelical Alliance (WEA) North American Council, was appointed to President Barack Obama’s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. WEA International Director Dr. Geoff Tunnicliffe congratulated Dr. Hunter on his appointment"

Why?
Because Reverend Hunter - Senior Pastor of Northlands - claims that Bible "doesn't say when life begins" - supported Obama over Mcain on abortion.
Supports "common ground" abortn bill and supported Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' nomination to the federal government's top health post.

Rev. Hunter is a board member also of Biologos - Bio supports evolution.

There's more. WEA is a mixed bag of lefties, RCC, and liberals as well.

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News Item6/29/11 7:16 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
x(roman)catholic wrote:
You might want to use the Websters 1800's dictionary:
Tradition
TRADI'TION, n. [L. traditio, from trado, to deliver.]
3. That which is handed down from age to age by oral communication. The Jews pay great regard to tradition in matters of religion, as do the Romanists. Protestants reject the authority of tradition in sacred things, and rely only on the written word. Traditions may be good or bad, true or false.
Stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Th 2.
Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your traditions? Mat 15.
You are right Street-Preacher-I am a Catholic-just not the Roman Papist variety.
Amen "x(roman)catholic" ! You, I & ALL HISTORIC AUTHORIZED BIBLICAL & HOLY-SPIRITUAL BORN-AGAIN (NOT "Hocus-Pocus" *Water-Sprinkled); ARE TRUE BELIEVERS IN THE TRUE LORD JESUS CHRIST & ETERNAL MEMBERS OF THE TRUE ONE-&-ONLY HOLY AUTHORIZED-HOLY-BIBLE-&-APOSTOLIC-BIBLICAL-LITERALIST-HOLY-CATHOLIC CHURCH-BODY-BRIDE-&-GENERAL ASSEMBLY "OF THE FIRST BORN (CHRIST JESUS), WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN HEAVEN, AND TO GOD THE JUDGE OF ALL, AND TO THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT, (THROUGH THE BLOOD OF CHRIST OUR 'PASSOVER' SACRIFICED FOR US: ONCE & FOR ALL)--HEBREWS 12:23 !
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News Item6/29/11 7:15 PM
jj33  Find all comments by jj33
Who are members of the WEA?

Here are a few (from their website)

• Billy Graham Center
• Brethren in Christ World Missions
• Campus Crusade for Christ International
• Compassion
• Evangelical Free Church Mission
• Good News Productions International (GNPI)
• Harbour International Ministries
• Healthcare Christian Fellowship International
• Holy Bible Society .
• International Bible Society
• Jews for Jesus
• Mission Aviation Fellowship
• Mission to Unreached Peoples
• The Navigators
• OMS International
• Open Doors International
• Operation Mobilisation
• Overseas Council International
• Overseas Radio and Television, Inc.
• Partners International
• Pioneers International
• Project Partner with Christ
• Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (RZIM)
• Scripture Union International Council
• SEND International
• SIM Serving in Mission
• South America Mission, Inc.
• The Evangelical Alliance Mission (TEAM)
• The Sentinel Group
• Trainers of Pastors International Coalition (TOPIC)
• United States Center for World Mission (USCWM)
• United World Mission
• The Voice of the Martyrs (Canada)
• World Concern
• World Mission
• World Mission Prayer League (WMPL)
• World Team, Inc.
• World Thrust International
• World Venture
• World Witness
• You

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News Item6/29/11 4:28 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
DYL wrote:
Per SA Home Page:
"Enjoy our library of 432,529 free sermons from conservative churches worldwide."
-29 June 11
Protestants rely not "only on the written word," but on many thousands of (oral) sermons, too.
Perhaps Protestants no longer reject extra-biblical Tradition.
DYL,

Perhaps? :

2 Peter 2:1-2 KJV

1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

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News Item6/29/11 4:09 PM
DYL  Find all comments by DYL
x(roman)catholic wrote:
TRADI'TION, n. [L. traditio, from trado, to deliver.]

3. Protestants reject the authority of tradition in sacred things, and rely only on the written word.

Per SA Home Page:

"Enjoy our library of 432,529 free sermons from conservative churches worldwide."

-29 June 11

Protestants rely not "only on the written word," but on many thousands of (oral) sermons, too.

Perhaps Protestants no longer reject extra-biblical Tradition.

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News Item6/29/11 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It is obvious that two of the groups mentioned the Romish Church and the World Council Churches are not Christian, so who cares what they say, though it would be great if pressure isn't put on people who aren't in the Papist church aren't forced to join it, in areas where Catholics predominate.

There might be Christians in the WEA, but I haven't really seen how closely tied to Pentecostalism that they are. If they are, then they're another group one can consider anti-Christian as the first two.

Interestingly Wikipedia has a very good definition of

Evangelicalism wrote:
is a Protestant Christian movement which began in Great Britain in the 1730s and gained popularity in the United States during the series of Great Awakenings of the 18th and 19th century.
Its key commitments are:

The need for personal conversion (or being "born again")
Actively expressing and sharing the gospel
A high regard for biblical authority, especially biblical inerrancy
An emphasis on teachings that proclaim the saving death and resurrection of the Son of God, Jesus Christ.

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News Item6/29/11 1:56 PM
x(roman)catholic | free from rome  Find all comments by x(roman)catholic
DYL wrote:
Tra·di·tion  (tr?-d?sh??n)
n.
1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.
Thus isn't a person listening to a sermon (e.g., SA) in 100 years is hearing a tradition -- a tradition of a man.
When Sola Scriptura teaches that it's by Scripture Alone, if one adds even a jot or tittle even via a sermon hasn't he violated this doctrine upon which the Church stands or falls?
You might want to use the Websters 1800's dictionary:
Tradition
TRADI'TION, n. [L. traditio, from trado, to deliver.]

3. That which is handed down from age to age by oral communication. The Jews pay great regard to tradition in matters of religion, as do the Romanists. Protestants reject the authority of tradition in sacred things, and rely only on the written word. Traditions may be good or bad, true or false.

Stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle. 2 Th 2.

Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your traditions? Mat 15.

You are right Street-Preacher - I am a Catholic - just not the Roman Papist variety.

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News Item6/29/11 11:17 AM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
x(roman)catholic wrote:
Have you heard preaching on SA? Tradition of men makes the Word of God of none effect-like this document. Preaching is what they did in the bible, Paul did it, Peter did it, Philip did it, others did it. If the Word is shared-it is read and it is preached. Christians are charged with checking the scripture to see if what is being said is true-if it is biblical. That is unique to Christians. (Roman)Catholics on the other hand are charged with absolute obedience. Tradition of men is what you find added to the Word of God. Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar...Christians take this seriously-cults do not. Also, from the SA Articles of Faith:[7]We believe in the spiritual unity of all believers in Jesus Christ and cherish every Scriptural expression of that unity. However, we reject the unscriptural attempts at church union by such organizations as the WCC and Evangelicals and (Roman)Catholics Together.
"x(roman)catholic": I Agree; But, DON'T Fall Into THE SATANIC+VATICAN "JESUITS'" Trap Of Calling THEM "Catholics": When TRUE "CATHOLICS" Are ALL Who've Been AUTHORIZED-BIBLICALLY & HOLY-SPIRITUALLY Born-Again
(NOT Sprinkled) Into CHRIST'S TRUE
UNIVERSAL-"CATHOLIC"-CHURCH Ala JOHN 3:7 !
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News Item6/29/11 11:12 AM
DYL  Find all comments by DYL
Tra·di·tion  (tr?-d?sh??n)

n.

1. The passing down of elements of a culture from generation to generation, especially by oral communication.

Thus isn't a person listening to a sermon (e.g., SA) in 100 years is hearing a tradition -- a tradition of a man.

When Sola Scriptura teaches that it's by Scripture Alone, if one adds even a jot or tittle even via a sermon hasn't he violated this doctrine upon which the Church stands or falls?

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News Item6/29/11 10:41 AM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
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News Item6/29/11 10:13 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Yikes!!
A unity based on another gospel?

World Evangelical Alliance - liberal/progressive
World Council of Churches -leftist marxist
Vatican’s Pontifical Council on Inter-religious Dialogue - a representative body of all "OTHER" faiths.

("INTERfaith" -comprising all OUTSIDE faiths - Islam, Hinduism, Wiccans. ....
"INTRAfaith" would have comprised of all "WITHIN")

This is a hodge podge witches brew get together to unite in apostasy. This is historic in that paganism was signed on right out of the starting gate, leaving the CET people, and the syncretic churches to catch up!

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News Item6/29/11 9:37 AM
xcatholic | safe from Rome  Find all comments by xcatholic
DYL wrote:
Anytime a sermon is preached and recorded (e.g., SA), isn't it a historical record and a tradition of men?
If Sola Scriptura were followed, it would be read from the pulpit without comment. Any comment or sermon is a tradition of men.
No, it is called preaching. Have you heard preaching on SA? Tradition of men makes the Word of God of none effect - like this document. Preaching is what they did in the bible, Paul did it, Peter did it, Philip did it, others did it. If the Word is shared - it is read and it is preached.
Christians are charged with checking the scripture to see if what is being said is true - if it is biblical. That is unique to Christians. Catholics on the other hand are charged with absolute obedience. Tradition of men is what you find added to the Word of God.
Pro 30:6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar....Christians take this seriously - cults do not.

Also, from the SA Articles of Faith:
(7)We believe in the spiritual unity of all believers in Jesus Christ and cherish every Scriptural expression of that unity. However, we reject the unscriptural attempts at church union by such organizations as the World Council of Churches and Evangelicals and Catholics Together.

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News Item6/29/11 9:02 AM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
Rufus wrote:
...
"Christians are called to reject all forms...including the abuse of power in their witness."
Perhaps I should, figuratively speaking, burn into my memory what Rufus has pointed out for us in my quote from him.

Matthew 9:27-30

27 And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and saying, [Thou] Son of David, have mercy on us.
28 And when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord.
29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.
30 And their eyes were opened;...

Luke 7:14-15
And he [Jesus] came and touched the bier: and they that bare [him (the young man)] stood still.
And he said, Young man, I say unto thee, Arise.
And he that was dead sat up, and began to speak.
And he [Jesus] delivered him to his mother.

I do conclude that the group I have in mind considers that the modern day disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ are chronic abusers of power.

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News Item6/29/11 9:00 AM
DYL  Find all comments by DYL
Anytime a sermon is preached and recorded (e.g., SA), isn't it a historical record and a tradition of men?

If Sola Scriptura were followed, it would be read from the pulpit without comment. Any comment or sermon is a tradition of men.

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