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SATURDAY, JUN 18, 2011  |  34 comments
Top Scholar on Hell: Rob Bell Is Right, Punishment Not Forever
One of the world’s foremost scholars on hell says he agrees with Rob Bell, that a loving God cannot allow people to burn and writhe in pain forever after they die.

Edward William Fudge, the author of The Fire That Consumes: A Biblical and Historical Study of the Doctrine of Final Punishment, is an advocate of the annihilationist view of hell. He believes that hell is real and people are tortured in hell. But unlike the traditional view, he holds that the pain is temporary and those in hell eventually cease to exist.

“This has to do with the character of God and the way people view God’s character,” explained Fudge to The Christian Post on Wednesday. “The God who loves the world so much that He gave his only son so believers would not perish but have eternal life is then going to turn around and throw billions of them into something resembling a lake of volcanic lava and make it so they cannot ...


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News Item6/21/11 7:07 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Bibliophile wrote:
Top Confusing Doctrines:
1. Salvation.
2. Communion.
3. Baptism.
4. Divorce.
5. Hell.
Luther stated this about "The Book of Revelation":
"Christ is neither taught nor known in it."
Thus, he was confused.
He was confused by the book of James, too. Hmmm, I guess he wasn't a perfect man.
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News Item6/21/11 6:32 PM
Bibliophile | Internet  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bibliophile
Top Confusing Doctrines:
1. Salvation.
2. Communion.
3. Baptism.
4. Divorce.
5. Hell.

Luther stated this about "The Book of Revelation":

"Christ is neither taught nor known in it."

Thus, he was confused.

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News Item6/21/11 5:34 PM
Totally UNConfused  Find all comments by Totally UNConfused
A.Satan WILL Remain ALIVE In Habitual & Perpetual TORTURE-TORMENT In THE ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE; Where "The Beast", "The False Prophet" & ALL Who DON'T Have THEIR NAMES Written In THE BOOK OF LIFE: Will ABIDE For ALL THE AGES & ALL THE EONS TO COME !

B.Satan ISN'T & Will NEVER Be "Dead" In The Human Definition Of "Death"--But He IS Spiritually DEAD In The AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL & SPIRITUAL Definition Of "Death"--AND WILL BE ETERNALLY & PERPETUALLY DEFEATED IN THE AFORESAID "BIBLICAL" & "SPIRITUAL" 'DEATH': IN THE ETERNAL & EVERLASTING "LAKE OF FIRE & BRIMSTONE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !

C.HELL IS PRESENTLY FILLED WITH THE HUMAN DAMNED (AS HELL IS ONLY A TEMPORARY "HOLDING PLACE" FOR THE HUMAN DAMNED, UNTIL THEY ARE PHYSICALLY RAISED FROM THEIR GRAVES, TO BE "CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !

D.HELL & THE DAMNED ARE NEVER ANNIHILATED !

Bob The Baptist Said: "Very good answer. Covered all the major points."

Bob, "JESUIT(IC) Totally Confused", Like OTHER "JESUIT(IC)S", ISN'T About Trying To Find THE TRUTH.

THEY'RE ABOUT BEING CONFUSED & CONFUSING OTHERS:

"FOR GOD IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION..."--I COR. 14:33a

"Totally Confused" Tried CONFUSING OTHERS By Saying "At the end of time": FULLY KNOWING THAT TIME & ETERNITY HAVE NO END !

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News Item6/21/11 4:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Totally Confused wrote:
"... [T]he dead do not know anything ..." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).
Where does the Bible say that a member of any one of these groups, who upon death, will -- according to Scripture -- "not know anything" but -- in your words -- "spend eternity [with] Satan"?
Why would one have amnesia upon death yet sentenced to an eternity with Satan?
Sill confused.
You will always be confused if you ignore the teachings of the Bible, so I recommend you spend more time reading through the Bible in a consistent manner, beginning with the New Testament, which has all the answers you need. And if you approach it with an open mind and a submissive will, God will assist you. A good place to start would be Luke's Gospel, in which you will find the story of the rich man and Lazarus, very telling concerning what life is like after physical death. The verse in Ecclesiastes which you quoted needs to be understood in light of the setting and who was writing it and why he was writing it, and what state he was in when he wrote it.
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News Item6/21/11 4:09 PM
Totally Confused  Contact via emailFind all comments by Totally Confused
John UK wrote:
What a truly dreadful prospect for all Christ rejecters, that they spend eternity in the company of Satan and all the thousands of devils! There shall be Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, JW's, Sikhs, Muslims, Cults, Nominals, Hypocrites, Roman Catholics, Ba'hai, and all other religious but unsaved, as well as murderers, thieves, perverts, terrorists, idolators, and atheists, and all sinners who have broken but one commandment of God, which each member of the human race has accomplished many times over.
Phew! What a dreadful place to end up!
"... [T]he dead do not know anything ..." (Ecclesiastes 9:5).

Where does the Bible say that a member of any one of these groups, who upon death, will -- according to Scripture -- "not know anything" but -- in your words -- "spend eternity [with] Satan"?

Why would one have amnesia upon death yet sentenced to an eternity with Satan?

Sill confused.

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News Item6/21/11 3:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Gil Rugh wrote:
Satan and all the angels that followed him in his rebellion will have preceded unbelievers in going to hell where their eternal torment will have already begun.
What a truly dreadful prospect for all Christ rejecters, that they spend eternity in the company of Satan and all the thousands of devils! There shall be Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, JW's, Sikhs, Muslims, Cults, Nominals, Hypocrites, Roman Catholics, Ba'hai, and all other religious but unsaved, as well as murderers, thieves, perverts, terrorists, idolators, and atheists, and all sinners who have broken but one commandment of God, which each member of the human race has accomplished many times over.

Phew! What a dreadful place to end up!

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News Item6/21/11 2:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Totally Confused may I suggest that you listen to the sermon, The Last Judgment from which,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
An overview of the four judgments in Scripture concludes with that final appearance of all unbelievers before Christ as He sits on His throne. This throne described as great and white is set up for the judgment of all unbelievers without exception or exclusion.

The last resurrection in Scripture will have preceded this judgment so that all unbelievers will stand individually before Christ. Their deeds will testify against them and their guilt will be confirmed by their names not appearing in the book of life. Their works being a manifestation of their character will be judged to determine the extent and degree of punishment. The absence of their name from the book of life excludes them from eternal life, sealing their eternal destiny as hell. This is described as the second death. They will be eternally separated from God in hell, described as the place of eternal burning and torment.

Satan and all the angels that followed him in his rebellion will have preceded unbelievers in going to hell where their eternal torment will have already begun.

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News Item6/20/11 11:49 PM
Freereborn | Alberta  Find all comments by Freereborn
These guys are creating there own god and religion and protecting it in sheepskin. They use words that sound orthadox but are purely liberal and postmodern in their direction.
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News Item6/20/11 11:35 PM
Totally Confused  Contact via emailFind all comments by Totally Confused
Totally UNConfused wrote:
Well, "Totally Confused", Since TIME Has NO END--As IT'S Called ETERNITY In THIS Life & THE LIFE TO COME:
A.Satan WILL Remain ALIVE In Habbitual & Perpetual TORTURE & TORMENT In THE ETERNAL (EVERLASTING) LAKE OF FIRE; Where The "Beast", "The False Prophet" & ALL Who DON'T Have THEIR NAMES Written In THE BOOK OF LIFE: Will ABIDE For Ages & Ages AND EONS & EONS TO COME !
B.Satan ISN'T & Will NEVER Be "Dead" In The Human Definition Of "Death"--But He IS Spiritually DEAD In The AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL & SPIRITUAL Definition Of "Death"--AND WILL BE ETERNALLY & PERPETUALLY DEFEATED IN THE AFORESAID "BIBLICAL" & "SPIRITUAL" 'DEATH': IN THE ETERNAL & EVERLASTING "LAKE OF FIRE & BRIMSTONE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !
C.HELL IS PRESENTLY FILLED WITH THE HUMAN DAMNED (AS HELL IS ONLY A TEMPORARY "HOLDING PLACE" FOR THE HUMAN DAMNED, UNTIL THEY ARE PHYSICALLY RAISED FROM THEIR GRAVES, TO BE "CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !
D.HELL & THE DAMNED ARE NEVER ANNIHILATED !
Good points, however where are these teachings plainly recorded in the biblical text so one may find them himself?
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News Item6/20/11 11:13 PM
Bob the Baptist  Find all comments by Bob the Baptist
Totally UNConfused wrote:
Well, "Totally Confused", Since TIME Has NO END--As IT'S Called ETERNITY In THIS Life & THE LIFE TO COME:
A.Satan WILL Remain ALIVE In Habbitual & Perpetual TORTURE & TORMENT In THE ETERNAL (EVERLASTING) LAKE OF FIRE; Where The "Beast", "The False Prophet" & ALL Who DON'T Have THEIR NAMES Written In THE BOOK OF LIFE: Will ABIDE For Ages & Ages AND EONS & EONS TO COME !
B.Satan ISN'T & Will NEVER Be "Dead" In The Human Definition Of "Death"--But He IS Spiritually DEAD In The AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL & SPIRITUAL Definition Of "Death"--AND WILL BE ETERNALLY & PERPETUALLY DEFEATED IN THE AFORESAID "BIBLICAL" & "SPIRITUAL" 'DEATH': IN THE ETERNAL & EVERLASTING "LAKE OF FIRE & BRIMSTONE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !
C.HELL IS PRESENTLY FILLED WITH THE HUMAN DAMNED (AS HELL IS ONLY A TEMPORARY "HOLDING PLACE" FOR THE HUMAN DAMNED, UNTIL THEY ARE PHYSICALLY RAISED FROM THEIR GRAVES, TO BE "CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !
D.HELL & THE DAMNED ARE NEVER ANNIHILATED !
Very good answer. Covered all the major points.
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News Item6/20/11 10:05 PM
Totally UNConfused  Find all comments by Totally UNConfused
Totally Confused wrote:
At the end of time:
(A.) Satan remains alive?
(B.) Satan is dead and defeated?
(C.) Hell is filled with the damned?
(D.) Hell is abolished and the damned are annihilated?
(E.) Other?
Since this is a vital issue, who has these answers?
Well, "Totally Confused", Since TIME Has NO END--As IT'S Called ETERNITY In THIS Life & THE LIFE TO COME:

A.Satan WILL Remain ALIVE In Habbitual & Perpetual TORTURE & TORMENT In THE ETERNAL (EVERLASTING) LAKE OF FIRE; Where The "Beast", "The False Prophet" & ALL Who DON'T Have THEIR NAMES Written In THE BOOK OF LIFE: Will ABIDE For Ages & Ages AND EONS & EONS TO COME !

B.Satan ISN'T & Will NEVER Be "Dead" In The Human Definition Of "Death"--But He IS Spiritually DEAD In The AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL & SPIRITUAL Definition Of "Death"--AND WILL BE ETERNALLY & PERPETUALLY DEFEATED IN THE AFORESAID "BIBLICAL" & "SPIRITUAL" 'DEATH': IN THE ETERNAL & EVERLASTING "LAKE OF FIRE & BRIMSTONE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !

C.HELL IS PRESENTLY FILLED WITH THE HUMAN DAMNED (AS HELL IS ONLY A TEMPORARY "HOLDING PLACE" FOR THE HUMAN DAMNED, UNTIL THEY ARE PHYSICALLY RAISED FROM THEIR GRAVES, TO BE "CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" (WHICH IS THE 'SECOND DEATH') !

D.HELL & THE DAMNED ARE NEVER ANNIHILATED !

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News Item6/20/11 9:04 PM
Totally Confused  Find all comments by Totally Confused
At the end of time:

(A.) Satan remains alive?
(B.) Satan is dead and defeated?
(C.) Hell is filled with the damned?
(D.) Hell is abolished and the damned are annihilated?
(E.) Other?

Since this is a vital issue, who has these answers?

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News Item6/20/11 4:53 PM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Revivalandreformation wrote:
Hell is real, and just as heaven will be forever hell will be as well. You can't have one without the other.
Bingo R&R

Is everything allegorical now. Or is the time not right to dispose of heaven yet.

YOU CAN"T HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER.

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News Item6/20/11 4:26 PM
pour vous  Find all comments by pour vous
Mike wrote:
a) So hell is cooler now, before it's tossed into the lake of fire? Interesting. Kinda like the global cooling/warming thing?
b) Another question-What happens to death when it is cast into the lake of fire? Does death get a temperature, too?
Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
a) How does spiritual fire work, Mike?

b) The finality of the lake of fire provides the answer, Mike.
No more Satan.
No more Hell.
No more death.

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News Item6/20/11 4:20 PM
truthful witness  Find all comments by truthful witness
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No, there's only one way to interpret the Bible, either read the summary and/or listen to the sermon, Principles of Bible Interpretation.
Allegory should be left to the Catholics, but are brothers in Christ, in Reformed circles, all too often use it also.
Does this sermon mention the importance of harmonizing the scriptures, of not ripping one scripture out in isolation from the rest of scriptures and building a religion on it?

Or does this sermon endorse "dispensationalism" which teaches that God keeps changing his mind and changing the rules and that only a few sections of a few epistles in the New Testament apply to today's Christian (except if convenient to wrest verses elsewhere when they agree with the preconceived dogmas).

As to the idea that nothing in the Bible is allegorical, if that is true, then where do you get your imminent rapture doctrines, if not from redefining words and reading mystical meanings into passages and disavowing many other passages in a similar way (ie by redefining words and turning the Bible into a book of secret codes)

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News Item6/20/11 4:15 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Leafy wrote:
It becomes extremely hot for a very long eternity....
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So hell is cooler now, before it's tossed into the lake of fire? Interesting. Kinda like the global cooling/warming thing?

Another question-What happens to death when it is cast into the lake of fire? Does death get a temperature, too?

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

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News Item6/20/11 3:49 PM
Revivalandreformation | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Revivalandreformation
CV wrote:
That's just YOUR interpretation. I believe Hell is Real!!
Revivalandreformation
I tried to get an email account at gmail. They ask for phone number et all. Too intrusive. I visit your blog regularly. Great work!
Have you looked into Hushmail? Really tight security wise...thanks for the compliment, comment all you want, would honour your input. Take care
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News Item6/20/11 3:00 PM
Leafy  Find all comments by Leafy
Mike wrote:
What happens to hell when it is cast into the lake of fire?
It becomes extremely hot for a very long eternity....

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night FOR EVER AND EVER.

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News Item6/20/11 2:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, there's only one way to interpret the Bible, either read the summary and/or listen to the sermon, Principles of Bible Interpretation.

Allegory should be left to the Catholics, but are brothers in Christ, in Reformed circles, all too often use it also.

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News Item6/20/11 11:57 AM
CV  Find all comments by CV
Interpretation wrote:
As with virtually every doctrine: Is a passage to be interpreted literally or figuratively?
It's all in the mind of the interpreter.
And if there are 5 persons in a room independently writing down their interpretations, we'll often get 5-6 different interpretations for most any verse.
Since the doctrine of Hell is complex (involving several verses), wouldn't one expect many, not one or only a few, interpretations?
That's just YOUR interpretation. I believe Hell is Real!!

Revivalandreformation
I tried to get an email account at gmail. They ask for phone number et all. Too intrusive. I visit your blog regularly. Great work!

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