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FRONT PAGE  |  8/23/2014
SATURDAY, JUN 4, 2011  |  18 comments
Now Bible Faces Blasphemy Charges in Pakistan
The Bible is the latest target of Islamists in Pakistan, where Christian and other minorities routinely face blasphemy charges followed by “religious” lynching. An influential political party has asked the Islamic country’s apex court to ban the Christian holy book alleging it denigrates prophets.

A leader of the Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam (Samiul Haq) or JUI-S party on Tuesday demanded that the Supreme Court of Pakistan ban the Bible, saying “blasphemous” portions had been “added to the Bible,” Pakistan’s newspaper The News International reported.

Maulana Abdul Rauf Farooqi, a party leader, made the appeal at a press conference at a mosque, the Masjid-e-Khizra, in Lahore. He said if the court did not ban the Bible on its own, Islamic clerics would formally petition the court. A panel of lawyers is working on it, he added. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Dr. Steve Hereford wrote:
Can Christians have the Koran removed because it contains blasphemy?
No, because as a civilized country unlike Muslim ones,q.v., the URL=http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Barton/11.htm>Inadequacy of Islam we have:

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"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

In our Constitution

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News Item6/5/11 6:41 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Finder wrote:
"BLAS'PHEMY, n. An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah.
Blasphemy is an injury offered to God, by denying that which is due and belonging to him, or attributing to him that which is not agreeable to his nature.
In the middle ages, blasphemy was used to denote simply the blaming or condemning of a person or thing. Among the Greeks, to blaspheme was to use words of ill omen, which they were careful to avoid.
1. That which derogates from the prerogatives of God. Mark 2." (KJV Dicty)
Of course in this definition Mike, we could direct folks to the attacks found upon Christ's deity, as we find in modern versions. But apparently on a thread about the definition of blasphemy, we are not allowed to address blasphemy?
An important point about blasphemy is that those who do not know God/Christ, (muslims and other reprobates) can either use the term itself in error, or literally "blaspheme" without knowing that they have, - such as Pakistani muslims do in this article.
Interesting post, Finder. Except for the version nonsense.
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News Item6/5/11 5:32 PM
Dr. Steve Hereford | Jacksonville, Florida  Protected NameFind all comments by Dr. Steve Hereford
Can Christians have the Koran removed because it contains blasphemy?
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News Item6/5/11 4:23 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
With such bravado, I have a hard time telling the two apart.

Actions definitely do speak louder than words, that's for sure. If a Muslem never opens the bible, but sees the humanitarian bombs, they may wonder why we get so mad about them banning a book.

Of course, we want them to read the book because it is about the PRINCE OF PEACE. Nowhere does Christ say that the job of the church is to fight with the infidels....there is a religion that says that......so perhaps we should all read our bibles.

Plus, from a purely strategic point of view, it is quite risky to threaten a nation that is helping you fight in another war. Of course, the American is intelligent enough to realize that if this nation is pushed outside of our graces, it has another ally waiting in the background, a huge one that owns most of US debt (although trading it in).

I encourage anyone who has no clue what I am talking about to get a map out and study it. It may give you some perspective.

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News Item6/5/11 4:22 PM
EP  Find all comments by EP
God's one state solution was not what I saw on the You tube video last evening. It was a bit of a twist from the Scripture. I am being to see it is a well thought out plan; No doubt, if any one is paying attention? But not in agreement with my understanding of the Scriptures of both the Old and New Testament or what I have learned from my historic teachers.

I did recommend some good reading to one of their leaders. No response.

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News Item6/5/11 4:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I have to start out with an amusing YouTube, a short one, I will warn some there is just a small and I do mean small bit of King James English in it, and of course us Moderns don't really care for that; but on the whole quite amusing, One State Solution But there is nothing funny about the Muhammadans' ...Global War against Christianity
Apparently, I have to remain on topic! but I will say that the YouTube makers paid more attention to the Moderns sensitivities than I thought and did not display the entire word in question.

One would hope that Pakistan will follow some civilized practices and not have a ban the Bible law. If They do ban the Bible then should be treated like a Communist state would be during the Cold War.

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News Item6/5/11 3:44 PM
EP  Find all comments by EP
My understanding of the OT Law is that culpability in the nations I listed will begin with the Church, as God see his Church in Yehoshua pastors/teachers and people under their charge, then the magistrate and then those who remain unaccounted for in these first two categories.

Welwood - "Well then the conclusion or application stands thus: That it is more than likely the Lord will punish these lands for their sins, and as our sins have been great and universal, so will our strokes and plagues be. As it was in the last ten plagues of Egypt, the Lord's sword will go from the throne to the handmaid. "And there was a cry, such as was never before heard in the land of Egypt." He hath a sword, famine, and pestilence to plead by. And:

1.He will plead with our rulers. Under this rank I comprehend all in public office, from the king to the constable, with all that are their servants, and execute their wickedness. "For three transgressions of our rulers, and for four, he will not turn away the punishment thereof."

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News Item6/5/11 3:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
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News Item6/5/11 3:13 PM
EP  Find all comments by EP
Interestingly my sermon from Mr. John Welwood addressed this very subject. It is after all the duty of the Magistrate to address blasphemy in a nation that has had the privilege of the true gospel (once under the Imperial reign of Great Britain it has known her privileged portion and will pay and so will with her pay for her looseness with God.) Welwood - "Times and seasons of wrath are in God's hand, but it may be sooner then the most part expect it considering how fast the two cups, the cup of the godly and the cup of the wicked are filling up; and the long peace we have had and how white the harvest seems. And when the Lord draws his sword he will not want instruments for it." However in order of culpability I would first exhort Israel, Scotland, England and Ireland then their former plantations that have reaped gospel blessings.
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News Item6/5/11 2:37 PM
Finder  Find all comments by Finder
Mike wrote:
Since blasphemy is speaking evil against God, they will be hard-pressed to find something in Scripture doing it.
"BLAS'PHEMY, n. An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah.

Blasphemy is an injury offered to God, by denying that which is due and belonging to him, or attributing to him that which is not agreeable to his nature.

In the middle ages, blasphemy was used to denote simply the blaming or condemning of a person or thing. Among the Greeks, to blaspheme was to use words of ill omen, which they were careful to avoid.

1. That which derogates from the prerogatives of God. Mark 2." (KJV Dicty)

Of course in this definition Mike, we could direct folks to the attacks found upon Christ's deity, as we find in modern versions. But apparently on a thread about the definition of blasphemy, we are not allowed to address blasphemy?
An important point about blasphemy is that those who do not know God/Christ, (muslims and other reprobates) can either use the term itself in error, or literally "blaspheme" without knowing that they have, - such as Pakistani muslims do in this article.

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News Item6/5/11 1:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Since blasphemy is speaking evil against God, they will be hard-pressed to find something in Scripture doing it.
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News Item6/5/11 11:23 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
silofolous wrote:
Not to lessen what you've said (though I disagree with the hints of AV-onlyism), that was one fantastically long run-on sentence.
Good to hear from you bro. I think I caught the long sentences from studying the WCF about ten years ago.
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News Item6/5/11 9:21 AM
silofolous  Find all comments by silofolous
John UK wrote:
Not so much through fear, but a simple desire to worship the one true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent, and to hear more about Jesus by the preaching of the Holy Bible, the inerrant and inspired word of the living God, as relevant today as it was when written, and as accurate today as it was when written, praise be to God (to God alone be the glory) for preserving his word through the ministry of fallen men (redeemed and reworked and remade), that his word may not be doubted but believed, and that believing, men may have eternal life by faith alone in Christ alone, this only being possible through the scripture alone, and this only possible if we have the scripture accurately translated into our own language, this being realised in our own beloved Authorized Version, which version we hold aloft as the word of God, inerrant as regards doctrinal content, and inerrant in its exhortatons.
Not to lessen what you've said (though I disagree with the hints of AV-onlyism), that was one fantastically long run-on sentence.
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News Item6/5/11 5:05 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
This hatred for the Bible reminds me of the Roman Catholic Church, who went to extraordinary lengths to ban and burn Bibles in English, and then to ban and burn those who held that the doctrine of transubstantiation was incorrect.

Maybe this is related.

Whatever, if it becomes law in Pakistan, I wonder how many believers will seek to leave the country? Not so much through fear, but a simple desire to worship the one true God and Jesus Christ whom he has sent, and to hear more about Jesus by the preaching of the Holy Bible, the inerrant and inspired word of the living God, as relevant today as it was when written, and as accurate today as it was when written, praise be to God (to God alone be the glory) for preserving his word through the ministry of fallen men (redeemed and reworked and remade), that his word may not be doubted but believed, and that believing, men may have eternal life by faith alone in Christ alone, this only being possible through the scripture alone, and this only possible if we have the scripture accurately translated into our own language, this being realised in our own beloved Authorized Version, which version we hold aloft as the word of God, inerrant as regards doctrinal content, and inerrant in its exhortatons.

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News Item6/5/11 2:25 AM
Moderator Alpha  Protected NameFind all comments by Moderator Alpha
Finder wrote:
This thread is about the Bible and possible blasphemy. Why then remove a post consistent with this theme?
The "version debate" is not consistent with this news article.
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News Item6/4/11 4:59 PM
Finder  Find all comments by Finder
This thread is about the Bible and possible blasphemy. Why then remove a post consistent with this theme?
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News Item6/4/11 3:10 PM
Finder  Find all comments by Finder
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News Item6/4/11 2:54 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I have to start out with an amusing YouTube, a short one, I will warn some there is just a small and I do mean small bit of King James English in it, and of course us Moderns don't really care for that; but on the whole quite amusing, One State Solution But there is nothing funny about the Muhammadans' ...Global War against Christianity
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