For hundreds of years, people have gone to church services on Sundays. But at one church in Duluth this summer, Sunday will not be the day to congregate and celebrate the Lord.
Instead, that day will be Wednesday.
"You've got to do something bold and different once in a while," said the Rev. Peter Bagley, who has been the pastor at United Protestant Church for more than nine years.
It started with one member of the congregation who reportedly said, "I like church. I also like going to the cabin."...
John Yurich USA wrote: Where do you get that insane notion that the RCC worships the bread and not Jesus? I worship the True Jesus at Mass because I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass and I do not participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass.
Jim Lincoln wrote: John, they aren't worshipping Jesus in the Romish Church they are worshiping the wafer idol. The Mass - Miracle or Mendacity?. Catholics should stay away from the Romish Church everyday of the week, Come out of the Catholic Church. Yes, too many Protestant churches have Saturday worship services, especially those that have a large Seventh Day Adventist population. I have no problem with having one particular day for coming together of Christians, for example Wednesday, because Christians should come together and worship God. It is a moral obligation, not a legal one, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance and The Ten Commandments.
Where do you get that insane notion that the RCC worships the bread and not Jesus? I worship the True Jesus at Mass because I only participate in the scriptural parts to the Mass and I do not participate in the unscriptural parts to the Mass.
Yes, too many Protestant churches have Saturday worship services, especially those that have a large Seventh Day Adventist population. I have no problem with having one particular day for coming together of Christians, for example Wednesday, because Christians should come together and worship God. It is a moral obligation, not a legal one, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance and The Ten Commandments.
If that church would also have Saturday worship services in the late afternoon on Saturday as well as Sunday worship services then that would give those members who wish to go to the cabin or do something else on Sunday the opportunity for worship of Jesus. That is why the Catholic Church started having Saturday Vigil Mass for those Catholics who wish to sleep in on Sunday or do something else on Sunday.
EP wrote: What do you do with Isaiah 58 (all of it); but especially 58:13-14 ...
Why do you ask? Are you suggesting that Isaiah refutes David viz. Ps 132:8-14? None of the verses you quoted teach that the sabbath is either Saturday or Sunday.
But Bob the Baptist is right so I'll defer to others.
Lurker wrote: Geneva speak. Bible speak... "If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore. For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired [it] for his habitation. This [is] my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it."
Lurker, you sound like Calvin; What do you do with Isaiah 58 (all of it); but especially 58:13-14 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words: Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
or Exodus 20:8-11 or Matt. 12:7-8 "But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
There is a difference between legalism and loving obedience; delighting in the Beloved, in whom, we are accepted.
I Knew when the first poster used the word "Sabbath" in refering to Sunday service, that the main point of the article would be obscured by the same Sabbath argument.
Believe it or not; when Some people use the term "Sabbath" they are not suggesting the entire ceremonial law; they are simple talking about CHURCH and SUNDAY.
It would be Great if we could talk about ther terrible methodology of this church and others that follow suit, rather than rehashing this same argument that has been re enacted hundreds of times before. The result is always the same. NO one will listen to your position or be persuaded to cahnge their position.
Ah, Stephen Hamilton, did Christ ever reiterate the commandment about observing the Sabbath? No.
Colossians 2 16 Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day-- 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.---NASB
I would really would suggest that you listen to the sermon, Legalism is Shadow, Christ is Substance. There is only one sabbath day that is Saturday, and if you don't observe it then you are breaking the Law. But then Christians are under the Old Covenant, so ignore that one.
Stephen Hamilton wrote: Sorry Jim, but the Sabbath for Christians is indeed the first day of the week - the Lord's Day. Sabbath means "rest", not "Saturday".
Geneva speak.
Bible speak...
Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength (mercy seat).
Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
For thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.
The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.
For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired [it] for his habitation.
This [is] my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it. (Psa 132:8-14)
"This" is David's throne (the throne of grace where the "sure mercies of David" are obtained... Heb 4:16, Is 55:3). "This" is Zion the heavenly city... Heb 12:22). "This" is God's rest..... not a day on the calandar.
Sorry Jim, but the Sabbath for Christians is indeed the first day of the week - the Lord's Day. Sabbath means "rest", not "Saturday". When Jesus said, "If ye love me keep my commandments" is that "legalism"? Sounds like law to me...commandments. The Apostle Paul said he rejoiced "in the law of God after the inward man". He also said he was "under the law to Christ". If it was wrong to steal, or lie, or commit adultery before salvation then it is still wrong after salvation. Christ fulfilled the law for us, and silenced its condemning voice. That does not mean it is abrogated - it is not. The moral law is a way of life for Christians, and not a way TO life.
"You've got to do something bold and different once in a while,"
Really! Why? Does the Bible say to do so?
Is the purpouse of church for us to have what we desire, or for God to have what He desires?
Even from a secular, business standpoint, this makes no sense. This would more likely result in the church loosing attendees. After people get used to not going to church on Sundays, it will be hard to get them back when the services resume.
Why doesn't the 4th Commandment ("Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy as the LORD your God commanded you") matter to United Protestant Church's Rev. Peter Bagley?
Apparently some mega-churches have done likewise by moving their worship service to Wednesday. Sunday then becomes their seeker service thus broadly optional for the believer.
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