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SATURDAY, MAY 7, 2011  |  16 comments
A World Without the King James Version
You are in church on Sunday morning, and it's time to say the Lord's Prayer. All goes smoothly through, "Give us this day our daily bread." But what comes next? The congregation hesitates. Should we ask forgiveness for "our debts" or for "our trespasses"? If you have ever been in this situation, you know something of what Protestant church life would be like in a world without the King James Version.

By contrast, we experience all the time what the world with the KJV has become, though we don't always realize it. The impact of the KJV on common English is tremendous, and it works on three levels. Many well-known words and phrases from the KJV still sound "biblical": "Alpha and Omega," "Ancient of Days," "graven image," "not live by bread alone," and "seventy times seven," to name a few. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Not really, John, U.K
Yes really, Jim from Lincoln

The poor young people of today are being taught:
1. wealth without sweat
2. knowledge without effort
3. sanctification without discipline
4. salvation without the Holy Ghost
...and it does not bode well.

Those entire church groups which use the AV exclusively teach their people the BIBLE, not refer them to links to extra-churchical independents. And the result is that these folks know their Bible well, even they know what archaic words mean, and how to witness to the lost, being taught, not by man or man's little booklets, but by the Holy Ghost and by their experience seeking to obey the great commission and take the gospel everywhere.

The "Christianity" you propose is not a supernatural Christianity like you find in the Bible, but a head-knowledge, intellectual, formulaic, put your hand up, sign a decision card, form of Christianity, which has to be spoon fed to the unwary, and produces tares for the burning. The Roman Road form of evangelism is no better than the subtly devilish Alpha Course and other modern methods of getting modern man to "convert" to "Christianity".

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News Item5/14/11 3:53 PM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Not really, John, U.K., it's in Elizabethan English, if a modern reader wants to peruse the AV, He should first read a good modern version of the Bible like the NIV, NKJV, (even an RSV of the '70's) and of course, The New American Standard Bible. I had done that, and I picked up the AV, and said I understand that, and of course tossed it aside again. No, you at least need a James Strong Concordance to understand the AV, because of the Archaic Language of the KJV: 419 examples!
Isn't that interesting. Here I was a 10th grad dropout with learning problems, and when I got saved I used the KJV with good understanding. All this before I ever read new versions. After I read and studied the new versions, I went right back to the KJV. I still study and preach from it today. The new versions are so dumbed down I don't see hoe people could progress in knowledge.

Certianly your experience is yours, but it doesn't apply to as many people as you think.

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News Item5/14/11 3:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not really, John, U.K., it's in Elizabethan English, if a modern reader wants to peruse the AV, He should first read a good modern version of the Bible like the NIV, NKJV, (even an RSV of the '70's) and of course, The New American Standard Bible. I had done that, and I picked up the AV, and said I understand that, and of course tossed it aside again. No, you at least need a James Strong Concordance to understand the AV, because of the Archaic Language of the KJV: 419 examples!
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News Item5/13/11 3:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
for a lot of good information.
Yes, the best place for a lot of good information about the King James Bible is between and including the books known as Genesis and Revelation in the King James Bible.
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News Item5/13/11 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
See, Series Title: The History of the English Bible for a lot of good information.
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News Item5/8/11 3:47 PM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
Mike wrote:
If you believe this, you must say Wycliffe was not used of God in translating into english, for he must have been criticizing the Gospels God has ordained as they shall be written in english
I don't think it is very fair to compare Wycliffe's work with the more professional and accomplished work of the KJV and Geneva etc Bible's.

These early attempts were fraught with difficulties notwithstanding the fact that printing was not yet invented. Also the Reformation had a huge effect upon the theology of the times.

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"There are two distinct versions of Wycliffe's Bible that have been written, the earlier was translated during the life of Wycliffe. The later version is regarded as the work of John Purvey. Since the printing press was not invented yet there exists only a very few copies of Wycliffe's earlier bible. The earlier bible is a rigid and literal translation of the Latin Vulgate Bible, Wycliffe's view of theology is close to realism rather than spiritual." (Wiki)

Keep trying to peddle the modern versions if you wish Mike, but the real problem with them is the source texts and the differences of doctrines which emerge from their words.

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News Item5/8/11 3:27 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
2Mile wrote:
Remember Mike, the KJV "IS" the Word of God which God ordained and authorised by His use and application for four centruries since translation into english. God did not need a corrupt modern version NIV, or NASB emanating from a corrupt Greek text which a couple of Anglican Liberal heretics came up with.
Therefore however you want to criticize the Gospels as God has ordained they shall be written in english, - Matthew 6:13 "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." - IS THE WORD OF GOD.
Now remember Mike
Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book":
If you believe this, you must say Wycliffe was not used of God in translating into english, for he must have been criticizing the Gospels God has ordained as they shall be written in english, and shall take away his part out of the book of life...etc.

Matthew 6:12,13 (Wycliffe 1382)
and for3yue to vs oure dettis,
as we for3yuen to oure dettouris;
and lede vs not in to temptacioun,
but delyuere vs fro yuel. Amen.

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News Item5/8/11 6:37 AM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
Mike wrote:
Therefore if an unfavored version writes Matthew 6:13 without "For thine is the kingdom..." it is the word of God, for Luke 11:4 writes it that way. It's just silly to say some version favors the papists by saying "it leaves off part of the verse." If Luke's verse is the word of God, so is Matthew's when it is written like Luke's. Can't get around it.
Remember Mike, the KJV "IS" the Word of God which God ordained and authorised by His use and application for four centruries since translation into english. God did not need a corrupt modern version NIV, or NASB etc emanating from a corrupt Greek text which a couple of Anglican Liberal heretics came up with.

Therefore however you want to criticize the Gospels as God has ordained they shall be written in english, - Matthew 6:13 "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." - IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Now remember Mike...
Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
# YOU must not Break this rule!!

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News Item5/7/11 10:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
2Mile wrote:
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If you compare all four Gospels you will notice that there are a variety of differences in them. That fact alone does not imply that one Gospel is superior to another.
ALL ARE GOD'S HOLY WORD!!
Don't reject any of God's Word.
Exactly. Therefore if an unfavored version writes Matthew 6:13 without "For thine is the kingdom..." it is the word of God, for Luke 11:4 writes it that way. It's just silly to say some version favors the papists by saying "it leaves off part of the verse." If Luke's verse is the word of God, so is Matthew's when it is written like Luke's. Can't get around it.
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News Item5/7/11 5:27 PM
perception  Find all comments by perception
The insurmountable problem with the Roman is that he is idolatrous, breaking the commandment of God worshipping the graven images which his "church" fabricates. This reveals the chink in his religious armour. Many call Christ Lord, Lord, but Christ does not know them. The Roman like Satan can quote from Scripture but cannot perceive the truth.

The Roman lives in a world without the King James Version, he lives in the world without the Word of God.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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News Item5/7/11 3:44 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
And when they had bound him with thongs, Paul saith to the centurion that stood by him: Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? Which the centurion hearing, went to the tribune, and told him, saying: What art thou about to do? For this man is a Roman citizen. And the tribune coming, said to him: Tell me, art thou a Roman? But he said: Yea. And the tribune answered: I obtained the being free of this city with a great sum. And Paul said: But I was born so. Immediately therefore they departed from him that were about to torture him.
(Acts 22:25-29)--Douay-Rheims Bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:16-18)--King James Bible

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News Item5/7/11 2:59 PM
explain  Find all comments by explain
In case anyone else is a little confused as to "Dopey's" post - it comes from the Roman Catholic web page St. Aquinas Forum.

HERE

Question is "Dopey" RC?

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News Item5/7/11 2:35 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
"The Latin Vulgate Bible, translated by St. Jerome from the Septuagint Cannon (LXX) of the Old Testament, is considered the "official" Bible of the Catholic Church...

The ecumenical Council of Trent declared that the Catholic Church, "ordains and declares, that the said old and vulgate edition...be, in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions, held as authentic; and that no one is to dare, or presume to reject it under any pretext whatever (Council of Trent, fourth Session)".

The Church has also introduced other versions of the Bible translated in the many foreign languages of the world.
We will take a look at the various English translations that are approved by the Church, such as the Douay-Reims...We will also take a look at popular Protestant Bibles such as the King James Version (KJV)...

Bibles can generally be placed on a spectrum of readability versus literal translations...

Therefore, it is important for an inexperienced biblical reader
to either read a reliable literal translation (such as the Douay-Rheims
or the 1611 King James Version)..."

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News Item5/7/11 2:22 PM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
Mike wrote:
Bad argument. If you believe what you are saying, you must consider Luke a papist heretic for leaving out the same in the KJV:
Luke 11:4,5
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;
Bad Arguement!!

If you compare all four Gospels you will notice that there are a variety of differences in them. That fact alone does not imply that one Gospel is superior to another.

ALL ARE GOD'S HOLY WORD!!
Don't reject any of God's Word.

Whereas the modern versions such as the NASB, NIV etc have direct input of the Roman Catholic text called Vaticanus, as well as the two heretics Westcott and Hort who leaned towards parts of the popish teachings. Their text is probably that which this article refers to when comparing the KJV to "other" sources.

"Other sources" which BTW God did not use in these last four centuries. Now I wonder why God rejected them? AND alienated the Papists from truth, by allowing them to enter into such idolatrous practices.

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News Item5/7/11 12:30 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
2Mile wrote:
"The Douay-Rheims New Testament, published for Catholics in 1582, completely left out what the KJV would render, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever." Rheims omitted the phrase because it is not in the Latin Vulgate"
Modern versions follow the Roman Catholics on this. For example the NIV, ESV has this part of the verse as a foot note. NASB has this part of the verse in parenthesis, complete with a footnote to explain. This demonstrates how close NASB, NIV, ESV, etc users prefer the papist version and other heretics such as Anglican Liberal hereticks.
God of course used the Textus Receptus and the King James Version for centuries thereby indicating HIS preference. Thus the KJV is the authorised version by God Himself.
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Bad argument. If you believe what you are saying, you must consider Luke a papist heretic for leaving out the same in the KJV:

Luke 11:4,5
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
And he said unto them, Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;

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News Item5/7/11 8:52 AM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
"The Douay-Rheims New Testament, published for Catholics in 1582, completely left out what the KJV would render, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever." Rheims omitted the phrase because it is not in the Latin Vulgate"

Modern versions follow the Roman Catholics on this. For example the NIV, ESV has this part of the verse as a foot note. NASB has this part of the verse in parenthesis, complete with a footnote to explain. This demonstrates how close NASB, NIV, ESV, etc users prefer the papist version and other heretics such as Anglican Liberal hereticks.

God of course used the Textus Receptus and the King James Version for centuries thereby indicating HIS preference. Thus the KJV is the authorised version by God Himself.

Psalm 56:4 In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me. v10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word.

Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. v6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

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