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SATURDAY, MAY 7, 2011  |  23 comments
A World Without the King James Version
You are in church on Sunday morning, and it's time to say the Lord's Prayer. All goes smoothly through, "Give us this day our daily bread." But what comes next? The congregation hesitates. Should we ask forgiveness for "our debts" or for "our trespasses"? If you have ever been in this situation, you know something of what Protestant church life would be like in a world without the King James Version.

By contrast, we experience all the time what the world with the KJV has become, though we don't always realize it. The impact of the KJV on common English is tremendous, and it works on three levels. Many well-known words and phrases from the KJV still sound "biblical": "Alpha and Omega," "Ancient of Days," "graven image," "not live by bread alone," and "seventy times seven," to name a few. ...


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TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
LISTEN: I Remember When I Was A Spiritually Lost Roman-"Catholic" Cultist Back In The 1960s, Mouthing Off In "Vain Repetitions" The Part Of "The Lord's Prayer" Saying "Forgive Us Our Tresspasses" -&- Not Even Knowing What The Word "Tresspasses" &-Or "Tresspass" Meant !

But, I DEFINITELY Knew What The Word "Piss" &-Or "Pisseth" Meant: Especially When I Had To Go To The Bathroom !

That Being Said, I Think ANYONE SPEAKING ENGLISH TODAY, WHO SAYS THE KING JAMES BIBLE'S ENGLISH IS TOO OUT-DATED OR TOO ARCHAIC FOR CONTEMPORARY USE; IS AS STUPID, STUPIDER OR STUPIDEST, AS ANYONE WHO SAYS THE WORD "PISS" &-OR "PISSETH" & DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE (OR SHE) IS SAYING OR WHAT HE (OR SHE) MEANS !

I Thank ALMIGHTY GOD That NOW I'm A TRUE HOLY BIBLE ONLY BORN-AGAIN SOLA-ESCRITURA CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC; WHO, DOESN'T VAINLY REPEAT "THE LORD'S PRAYER" ANYMORE: BUT KNOWS & UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE SAYS WHEN PRAYING:

"GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD.

AND FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS, AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.

AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL: FOR THINE IS THE KINGDOM, AND THE POWER, AND THE GLORY, FOR EVER, AMEN."--MATTHEW 6:11-13

*I KNOW EVERYONE COMMUNICATING IN ENGLISH TODAY, INCLUDING "jim lincoln" & co., STILL USES
TODAY'S KING JAMES BIBLE WORDS "PISS" & "PISSETH" !

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News Item12/10/15 3:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
KJVO types can be as much or more in error than one who have the Bible in good conventional English, e.g., Arnold Murray, who you might see on early morning t.v. in your area as well, BM, is a KJVO type. He appears to be even expositional! but the KJV being what it is, he goes off in his own explanations, q.v., Identity: A 'Christian' Religion for White Racists for more comments about him.

real thing, if the NASB, ESV, contradict (and I would add the NKJV, which uses the Textus Receptus) contradict the KJV then the KJV is wrong The KJV has quite a few errors, Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV.

But, one perhaps can ignore some of the errors in the KJV, I would suggest you read, The KJVO Debate Greatly Exaggerates the Issue of Alleged Corruption which is a subsection of a larger article. Of course you could read the whole Is the King James Version of the Bible the Only Bible Christians Should Trust and Read/Part 2 by Dr. John Weldon.

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News Item12/10/15 8:44 AM
real thing ring | compass points  Find all comments by real thing ring
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic wrote:
MATTHEW 6:11-13
deliver us from evil - The NIV, NEB, the Vulgate, and others translate evil one, then omit the rest of the prayer!
As Burgon notes, this leaves them starting the prayer with Our Father, and ending it with the evil one (Devil).The RC NAB is the perfect example of this mistranslation.
For Thine is the kingdom, etc. - this last sentence is omitted by NU Text, by all the modern translations except MKJV, NKJV, LITV. On what basis? Only Aleph, B, Z and D of the uncials omit the doxology, joined by Tertullian, the Italic and Vulgate versions, and Cyprian and Origen of the early Fathers. Yet thousands of mss. have it, and nearly all the 2nd century versions except the Old Latin. The fathers, the Didache, Apostolic Constitutions, of the same century, have it. Not only that, but Burgon displays the Greek of Matt. 6:13 with 2 Tim. 4:18 under it, proving that the apostle Paul knew and approved of the wording of the doxology, and also that his words show that he understood evil (ponerou) to be generic, covering all varieties of evil, not just the evil one. Burgon also shows that Aleph, B, and D do not have the same words, but disagree among themselves at this place.
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News Item12/10/15 8:16 AM
TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic  Find all comments by TrueHolyBibleChristianCatholic
I Remember When I Was A Spiritually Lost Roman-"Catholic" Cultist Back In The 1960s, Mouthing Off In "Vain Repetitions" The Part Of "The Lord's Prayer" Saying "Forgive Us Our Tresspasses": And Not Even Knowing What The Word "Tresspasses" &-Or "Tresspass" Meant !

But, I DEFINITELY Knew What The Word "Piss" &-Or "Pisseth" Meant: Especially When I Had To Go To The Bathroom !

That Being Said, I Think That ANYONE SPEAKING ENGLISH TODAY, WHO SAYS THAT THE KING JAMES BIBLE'S ENGLISH IS TOO OUT-DATED &-OR TOO ARCHAIC FOR CONTEMPORARY USAGE; IS AS STUPID, STUPIDER OR STUPIDEST, AS ANYONE WHO SAYS THE WORD "PISS" &-OR "PISSETH": AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE (OR SHE) IS SAYING &-OR WHAT HE (OR SHE) MEANS !

I Thank ALMIGHTY GOD That NOW I'm A TRUE HOLY BIBLE ONLY BORN-AGAIN SOLA-ESCRITURA CHRISTIAN CATHOLIC; WHO, DOESN'T VAINLY REPEAT "THE LORD'S PRAYER" ANYMORE: BUT KNOWS & UNDERSTANDS WHAT HE SAYS WHEN PRAYING:

"GIVE US THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD.

AND FORGIVE US OUR DEBTS, AS WE FORGIVE OUR DEBTORS.

AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION, BUT DELIVER US FROM EVIL: FOR THINE IS THE KINGDOM, AND THE POWER, AND THE GLORY, FOR EVER, AMEN."--MATTHEW 6:11-13

***NOW, I DON'T THINK ANYONE READING, SPEAKING OR COMMUNICATING IN (KJB) ENGLISH TODAY IS IGNORANT OF THE WORD "PISS[ETH]" ! ! !***

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News Item12/10/15 7:28 AM
A bit dated | Alongside  Find all comments by A bit dated
Movies and plays quote mostly the authorized Bible.
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News Item12/10/15 4:45 AM
B. McCausland  Find all comments by B. McCausland
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John UK, it is even easier to teach error with the KJV ...
Jim you are in a post from MAY 7, 2011 responding to a sensible rational from John/UK stating:

"Those entire church groups which use the AV exclusively teach their people the BIBLE, not refer them to links to extra-churchical independents. And the result is that these folks know their Bible well, even they know what archaic words mean, and how to witness to the lost, being taught, not by man or man's little booklets, but by the Holy Ghost and by their experience seeking to obey the great commission and take the gospel everywhere.

The "Christianity" you propose is not a supernatural Christianity like you find in the Bible, but a head-knowledge, intellectual, formulaic, put your hand up, sign a decision card, form of Christianity, which has to be spoon fed to the unwary, and produces tares for the burning. The Roman Road form of evangelism is no better than the subtly devilish Alpha Course and other modern methods of getting modern man to "convert" to "Christianity".

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News Item12/9/15 10:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK, it is even easier to teach error with the KJV then the something that is understandable.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

20 Where is the one who is wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe. 22 For Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom, 23 but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1 Corinthians 14:9 So with yourselves, if with your tongue you utter speech that is not intelligible, how will anyone know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning, 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I will be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me.-ESV

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News Item5/14/11 4:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Not really, John, U.K
Yes really, Jim from Lincoln

The poor young people of today are being taught:
1. wealth without sweat
2. knowledge without effort
3. sanctification without discipline
4. salvation without the Holy Ghost
...and it does not bode well.

Those entire church groups which use the AV exclusively teach their people the BIBLE, not refer them to links to extra-churchical independents. And the result is that these folks know their Bible well, even they know what archaic words mean, and how to witness to the lost, being taught, not by man or man's little booklets, but by the Holy Ghost and by their experience seeking to obey the great commission and take the gospel everywhere.

The "Christianity" you propose is not a supernatural Christianity like you find in the Bible, but a head-knowledge, intellectual, formulaic, put your hand up, sign a decision card, form of Christianity, which has to be spoon fed to the unwary, and produces tares for the burning. The Roman Road form of evangelism is no better than the subtly devilish Alpha Course and other modern methods of getting modern man to "convert" to "Christianity".

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News Item5/14/11 3:53 PM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Not really, John, U.K., it's in Elizabethan English, if a modern reader wants to peruse the AV, He should first read a good modern version of the Bible like the NIV, NKJV, (even an RSV of the '70's) and of course, The New American Standard Bible. I had done that, and I picked up the AV, and said I understand that, and of course tossed it aside again. No, you at least need a James Strong Concordance to understand the AV, because of the Archaic Language of the KJV: 419 examples!
Isn't that interesting. Here I was a 10th grad dropout with learning problems, and when I got saved I used the KJV with good understanding. All this before I ever read new versions. After I read and studied the new versions, I went right back to the KJV. I still study and preach from it today. The new versions are so dumbed down I don't see hoe people could progress in knowledge.

Certianly your experience is yours, but it doesn't apply to as many people as you think.

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News Item5/14/11 3:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Not really, John, U.K., it's in Elizabethan English, if a modern reader wants to peruse the AV, He should first read a good modern version of the Bible like the NIV, NKJV, (even an RSV of the '70's) and of course, The New American Standard Bible. I had done that, and I picked up the AV, and said I understand that, and of course tossed it aside again. No, you at least need a James Strong Concordance to understand the AV, because of the Archaic Language of the KJV: 419 examples!
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News Item5/13/11 3:21 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
for a lot of good information.
Yes, the best place for a lot of good information about the King James Bible is between and including the books known as Genesis and Revelation in the King James Bible.
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News Item5/13/11 3:04 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
See, Series Title: The History of the English Bible for a lot of good information.
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News Item5/8/11 3:47 PM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
Mike wrote:
If you believe this, you must say Wycliffe was not used of God in translating into english, for he must have been criticizing the Gospels God has ordained as they shall be written in english
I don't think it is very fair to compare Wycliffe's work with the more professional and accomplished work of the KJV and Geneva etc Bible's.

These early attempts were fraught with difficulties notwithstanding the fact that printing was not yet invented. Also the Reformation had a huge effect upon the theology of the times.

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"There are two distinct versions of Wycliffe's Bible that have been written, the earlier was translated during the life of Wycliffe. The later version is regarded as the work of John Purvey. Since the printing press was not invented yet there exists only a very few copies of Wycliffe's earlier bible. The earlier bible is a rigid and literal translation of the Latin Vulgate Bible, Wycliffe's view of theology is close to realism rather than spiritual." (Wiki)

Keep trying to peddle the modern versions if you wish Mike, but the real problem with them is the source texts and the differences of doctrines which emerge from their words.

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News Item5/8/11 3:27 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
2Mile wrote:
Remember Mike, the KJV "IS" the Word of God which God ordained and authorised by His use and application for four centruries since translation into english. God did not need a corrupt modern version NIV, or NASB emanating from a corrupt Greek text which a couple of Anglican Liberal heretics came up with.
Therefore however you want to criticize the Gospels as God has ordained they shall be written in english, - Matthew 6:13 "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." - IS THE WORD OF GOD.
Now remember Mike
Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book":
If you believe this, you must say Wycliffe was not used of God in translating into english, for he must have been criticizing the Gospels God has ordained as they shall be written in english, and shall take away his part out of the book of life...etc.

Matthew 6:12,13 (Wycliffe 1382)
and for3yue to vs oure dettis,
as we for3yuen to oure dettouris;
and lede vs not in to temptacioun,
but delyuere vs fro yuel. Amen.

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News Item5/8/11 6:37 AM
2Mile  Find all comments by 2Mile
Mike wrote:
Therefore if an unfavored version writes Matthew 6:13 without "For thine is the kingdom..." it is the word of God, for Luke 11:4 writes it that way. It's just silly to say some version favors the papists by saying "it leaves off part of the verse." If Luke's verse is the word of God, so is Matthew's when it is written like Luke's. Can't get around it.
Remember Mike, the KJV "IS" the Word of God which God ordained and authorised by His use and application for four centruries since translation into english. God did not need a corrupt modern version NIV, or NASB etc emanating from a corrupt Greek text which a couple of Anglican Liberal heretics came up with.

Therefore however you want to criticize the Gospels as God has ordained they shall be written in english, - Matthew 6:13 "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen." - IS THE WORD OF GOD.

Now remember Mike...
Rev 22:19 "And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
# YOU must not Break this rule!!

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News Item5/7/11 10:58 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
2Mile wrote:
---
If you compare all four Gospels you will notice that there are a variety of differences in them. That fact alone does not imply that one Gospel is superior to another.
ALL ARE GOD'S HOLY WORD!!
Don't reject any of God's Word.
Exactly. Therefore if an unfavored version writes Matthew 6:13 without "For thine is the kingdom..." it is the word of God, for Luke 11:4 writes it that way. It's just silly to say some version favors the papists by saying "it leaves off part of the verse." If Luke's verse is the word of God, so is Matthew's when it is written like Luke's. Can't get around it.
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News Item5/7/11 5:27 PM
perception  Find all comments by perception
The insurmountable problem with the Roman is that he is idolatrous, breaking the commandment of God worshipping the graven images which his "church" fabricates. This reveals the chink in his religious armour. Many call Christ Lord, Lord, but Christ does not know them. The Roman like Satan can quote from Scripture but cannot perceive the truth.

The Roman lives in a world without the King James Version, he lives in the world without the Word of God.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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News Item5/7/11 3:44 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
And when they had bound him with thongs, Paul saith to the centurion that stood by him: Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman, and uncondemned? Which the centurion hearing, went to the tribune, and told him, saying: What art thou about to do? For this man is a Roman citizen. And the tribune coming, said to him: Tell me, art thou a Roman? But he said: Yea. And the tribune answered: I obtained the being free of this city with a great sum. And Paul said: But I was born so. Immediately therefore they departed from him that were about to torture him.
(Acts 22:25-29)--Douay-Rheims Bible

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
(John 3:16-18)--King James Bible

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News Item5/7/11 2:59 PM
explain  Find all comments by explain
In case anyone else is a little confused as to "Dopey's" post - it comes from the Roman Catholic web page St. Aquinas Forum.

HERE

Question is "Dopey" RC?

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News Item5/7/11 2:35 PM
Dopey  Find all comments by Dopey
"The Latin Vulgate Bible, translated by St. Jerome from the Septuagint Cannon (LXX) of the Old Testament, is considered the "official" Bible of the Catholic Church...

The ecumenical Council of Trent declared that the Catholic Church, "ordains and declares, that the said old and vulgate edition...be, in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions, held as authentic; and that no one is to dare, or presume to reject it under any pretext whatever (Council of Trent, fourth Session)".

The Church has also introduced other versions of the Bible translated in the many foreign languages of the world.
We will take a look at the various English translations that are approved by the Church, such as the Douay-Reims...We will also take a look at popular Protestant Bibles such as the King James Version (KJV)...

Bibles can generally be placed on a spectrum of readability versus literal translations...

Therefore, it is important for an inexperienced biblical reader
to either read a reliable literal translation (such as the Douay-Rheims
or the 1611 King James Version)..."

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