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SATURDAY, APR 30, 2011  |  22 comments
Sainthood is Catholic church's way to recognize a 'friend of God'
Pope John Paul II will move one step closer to sainthood when he is beatified during an elaborate Vatican ceremony on Sunday. While the Roman Catholic Church has held up heroes, patrons, intercessors and spiritual companions for centuries, the path to sainthood is never easy or quick.

"The Catholic Church has a more complicated process than anyone else on almost any topic," Martin says. "I think it's important for people to know that when we hold up someone for public veneration or as an example, that their life has been thoroughly investigated and looked at by the Vatican."

The process usually begins in the region where the potential saint lived or is buried. After local Catholics show a particular devotion to the person, the bishop opens an investigation into the case or "cause" for sainthood. ...


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Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
CJW wrote:
"While the Roman Catholic Church has held up heroes, patrons, intercessors and spiritual companions for centuries, the path to sainthood is never easy or quick." - Article
That is strange. My path to sainthood was both easy and quick. The moment I turned from my sins and put my trust only in Christ, Who alone paid for all of my sins, by faith alone I became a saint just like the Christians still living in Philippi...
Philippians 1:1 "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to ALL THE SAINTS in Christ Jesus which ARE AT Philippi...
Did Paul make a mistake and write a letter to dead people or did he write to Christians in the Philippian church?
Amen, excellent statement!

Psalm 30:4 Sing unto the LORD, O ye saints of his, and give thanks at the remembrance of his holiness.

Psalm 34:9 O fear the LORD, ye his saints: for there is no want to them that fear him.

I don't believe the next verse, means tending to the graves of those who have passed on.

Romans 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

May we all grow in the grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ! ~Amen

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News Item5/1/11 5:44 PM
Diligentlyfaithful | California  Find all comments by Diligentlyfaithful
[QUOTE]Very Well Said. I will pray fo That God will Help you to bless them with His Truth.
[AUTHOR]xcatholic[/AUTHOR]WAE -
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. KJV
As a Catholic - I believed on the Mass, the Eucharist, Confession to a priest, the rosary, Mary, the Saints, Purgatory, the pope, my OWN works and many other things - but never Jesus and what he did completely for me. It is VERY important what you believe.
Of the 40+ times "believeth" and 100+ times "believe" appear in the NT - not once is anything listed that a Catholic puts their belief and trust in.
I have well over 100 devout catholic family members that are 100% deceived and it is a tremendous burden on my heart.
Did you know that if you walk into a Catholic church and ask "Where is Jesus?" they will point you to a Monstrance containing the blessed Eucharist that they believe to be Jesus - Body, Soul, and Divinity.
Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not[/QUOTE]
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News Item5/1/11 9:22 AM
Kel  Find all comments by Kel
WAE wrote:
What Bible verse tells me my Catholic friends "are lost and on their way to hell"?
That really depends whether you can read the Bible or not. In other words whether the Holy Spirit is dwelling in your heart.

Idolatry is rife in the Roman Catholic church, saints (dead sinners), relics, icons and old bones are worshipped by the RCC.
Yet
Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: 5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

Today an evil hearted sinner called John Paul is being worshipped in Rome and the fallacy of "beatification" is going on. As a "saint" he will be expected to mediate between God and man... Yet
God teaches...
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Tim 2:5.

Then there is other unBiblical superstitions such as so called "co-mediatrix"???

The entire Bible rails against the RCC heresies, - But they cannot receive the truth!

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News Item5/1/11 7:44 AM
xcatholic  Find all comments by xcatholic
WAE wrote:
What Bible verse tells me my Catholic friends "are lost and on their way to hell"?
WAE -
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. KJV

As a Catholic - I believed on the Mass, the Eucharist, Confession to a priest, the rosary, Mary, the Saints, Purgatory, the pope, my OWN works and many other things - but never Jesus and what he did completely for me. It is VERY important what you believe.

Of the 40+ times "believeth" and 100+ times "believe" appear in the NT - not once is anything listed that a Catholic puts their belief and trust in.

I have well over 100 devout catholic family members that are 100% deceived and it is a tremendous burden on my heart.

Did you know that if you walk into a Catholic church and ask "Where is Jesus?" they will point you to a Monstrance containing the blessed Eucharist that they believe to be Jesus - Body, Soul, and Divinity.

Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not

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News Item5/1/11 7:20 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameContact via emailFind all comments by Michael Hranek
WAE wrote:
What Bible verse tells me my Catholic friends "are lost and on their way to hell"?
WAE
Please feel free to email me. I am getting ready to go to Church and after that take a fairly long tractor trailer run to Illinois and back so I will not be able to reply until I return home but will do so at more length personally if you email me.

The issue, what matters in Salvation is Jesus Christ and the obedeince of faith, not being pro-life as even practising lesbians and rock musicans like Ted Nugent can be pro-life without any personal faith in Christ.

As to a Bible verse that ought to bear on you Catholics are lost there are many but for sake of time:

Matt 15:7-9
7 "You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
8 'This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
9 'But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'"

By the way such verses would also bear on the lostness of Rob Bell too.

Got to go, hope to hear from you.

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News Item5/1/11 7:04 AM
WAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by WAE
Michael Hranek wrote:
Now since Jesus told us we could know them by their fruits it becomes one of the most unloving things we could do for Catholic people to pretend they are right with Holy God and on their way to heaven when the Word of God says they are lost and on their way to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ on His terms of genuine repentance and personal faith in Him being who God Himself reveals Him to be in Scripture.
What Bible verse tells me my Catholic friends "are lost and on their way to hell"?

When their Pope is more pro-life than almost any Christian leader, rejecting even the use of abortive birth control, who am I to judge them?

Since devout Catholics are not aborting their children by abortifacients, perhaps we can know them by their fruits.

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News Item5/1/11 6:18 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
WAE wrote:
Devout Roman Catholics are in Hell? They are? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?
WAE
Do you want to make Jesus Christ out to be a liar? The One who went to the cross and shed His blood for wretched lost sinners such as myself told us clearly to beware of false teachers and that we could know them by their fruits (this would be people who could call Him 'Lord, Lord' and persih because they practised iniquity, not obedience to His word).

Now since Jesus told us we could know them by their fruits it becomes one of the most unloving things we could do for Catholic people to pretend they are right with Holy God and on their way to heaven when the Word of God says they are lost and on their way to hell because they have not accepted Jesus Christ on His terms of genuine repentance and personal faith in Him being who God Himself reveals Him to be in Scripture.

Further for those with Catholic friends when they are gripped in their hearts of the falseness of Catholicism and its inability to save anyone then by the Grace of God they can cry out to God in prayer for their friends that they might be saved and witness the Truth of Christ to them Biblically from the Holy Word of God.

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News Item5/1/11 4:18 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
WAE wrote:
After an atheist flings himself off of a high bridge, can he not repent and believe before penetrating the water?
No he cannot repent and believe just like that.

Repentance is an evangelical grace which some, even with tears, have sought for and not found. Repentance is a sorrow for, and hatred of, sins against a loving God; and man by nature is incapable of producing it.

Of the two dying thieves either side of our Lord Jesus Christ, only one was eventually found penitent, and even he was initially scornful of Christ, till the grace of God opened his eyes to the truth.

If you find your conscience is sensitive, nurture it, and do not allow the world nor the church to desensitise it, for it is God's blessing to you, to bring you to repentance. And if you have sorrow for sin, and wish with all your heart to be forgiven, and realise that you can not attain to it yourself nor even prepare yourself to receive it, reach out immediately to the Christ and cast yourself upon his mercy, for he is able and willing to forgive your sins and give you eternal life as a free gift, without one work of your own.

But those that reject Christ in this life will be rejected of him in the next.

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News Item5/1/11 2:07 AM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
WAE wrote:
After an atheist flings himself off of a high bridge, can he not repent and believe before penetrating the water?

Likewise, what was Gandhi's faith at the moment he entered eternity?

Unless you know the mind of God, how can you say, with complete certainty, where Gandhi is?

I suppose you would hold out that JPII may have had a deathbed conversion as well. A vine that bear wild grapes all his life suddenly bears cultivated grapes.

Sorry, friend, but if you lack discernment in these matters then It is no wonder that Michael's heartfelt concern over the eternal fate of billions of deceived catholics escaped you.

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News Item5/1/11 1:06 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
WAE wrote:
After an atheist flings himself off of a high bridge, can he not repent and believe before penetrating the water?
After listening to you and Rob Bell he may see no need to repent and believe.

What would you recommend him to believe if you had the chance to warn him?

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News Item5/1/11 12:50 AM
WAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by WAE
Lurker wrote:
Where is Ghandi right now?
After an atheist flings himself off of a high bridge, can he not repent and believe before penetrating the water?

Likewise, what was Gandhi's faith at the moment he entered eternity?

Unless you know the mind of God, how can you say, with complete certainty, where Gandhi is?

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News Item5/1/11 12:48 AM
Girl | Australia  Find all comments by Girl
WAE wrote:

If you substitute “Precious Roman Catholic people” for “Gandhi” in the above quote, wouldn’t one be in the same school as the individual who attached the handwritten note to the art?

Devout Roman Catholics are in Hell? They are? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?

Yes, Roman Catholics who have died ARE in hell. They were trusting in the pope (a sinful man) to save them, instead of Christ (the sinless man.) Rob Bell is deceived, if not a deceiver; and he teaches what is not right according to the word of God. As much as sinful people wish to ignore the fact, God is a God of justice and judgement and righteousness as well as a God of love. He can't just forgive sin without payment, and only Christ was eligible to pay that price. And for the record, it is VERY necessary to tell people this. Why should we, as Christ-believing Christians, let others go to death and hell by lack of telling them their error?! Wake up, Christians!

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News Item4/30/11 11:59 PM
Lurker  Protected NameFind all comments by Lurker
WAE wrote:
“A couple years ago we had an art show at our church. People brought in all kinds of paintings and sculptures and we put them on display. This one piece had a quote from Gandhi in it. And lots of people found this piece compelling. They would stop and take it in and reflect on it. But not everyone found it compelling. During the course of the art show, someone stopped and attached a handwritten note to the piece and on the note they had written: “Reality check: He’s in Hell.” Gandhi’s in Hell? He is? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?”
-Pastor Rob Bell, “Love Wins,” trailer.
If you substitute “Precious Roman Catholic people” for “Gandhi” in the above quote, wouldn’t one be in the same school as the individual who attached the handwritten note to the art?
Devout Roman Catholics are in Hell? They are? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?
Where is Ghandi right now?
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News Item4/30/11 10:53 PM
WAE  Contact via emailFind all comments by WAE
Michael Hranek wrote:
Precious Roman Catholic people are so decieved by their own religion that they will perish in hell forever in their sins apart from God bring them to repentance and faith.
“A couple years ago we had an art show at our church. People brought in all kinds of paintings and sculptures and we put them on display. This one piece had a quote from Gandhi in it. And lots of people found this piece compelling. They would stop and take it in and reflect on it. But not everyone found it compelling. During the course of the art show, someone stopped and attached a handwritten note to the piece and on the note they had written: “Reality check: He’s in Hell.” Gandhi’s in Hell? He is? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?”

-Pastor Rob Bell, “Love Wins,” trailer.

If you substitute “Precious Roman Catholic people” for “Gandhi” in the above quote, wouldn’t one be in the same school as the individual who attached the handwritten note to the art?

Devout Roman Catholics are in Hell? They are? And someone knows this for sure and felt the need to let the rest of us know?

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News Item4/30/11 10:23 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Alan H wrote:
Michael,
Sorry if I offended you!
Alan H
You didn't offend me in the least.
I was commenting on my own poor post to make it sure that even when things might appear humorous (you made an excellent point of the saints in Scripture being alive not dead and departed) there is a serious reality that is still there...people we know and love will perish apart from the genuine salvation we can only have in Christ.

And let me say thank you for you gracious encouraging words. It is so good to have brothers and sister who share in like faith, who likewise desire to see the salvation of the lost as well.

Have a blessed Lord's day as well.

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News Item4/30/11 10:04 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
Michael Hranek wrote:
Alan H

IMHO the real Apostle Paul won't have made a very good Catholic "saint". The RCC probably would have wanted the "Inquistion" to speak with him and tell him what they required him to believe.

The only problem is this isn't funny at all. Precious Roman Catholic people are so decieved by their own religion that they will perish in hell forever in their sins apart from God bring them to repentance and faith. Something we should pour out our hearts to God in intercession for them that they might be saved.

Michael,

Sorry if I offended you! But I really think you misunderstood my intention. I really wasn't trying to be funny - I was very serious.

Romans 8:1 says, "[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

BTW, the NASB and most other modern Bible versions simply say,

"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."

As for the plight of those of whom you used to be a part, I agree with you Michael. What you say is so true - they need our prayers. I can sense your sincere sympathy. May God answer that affection of your heart for His own names sake.

Have a great Lord's day Michael!

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News Item4/30/11 9:19 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Alan H wrote:
Dead to the world people maybe?
Alan H

IMHO the real Apostle Paul won't have made a very good Catholic "saint". The RCC probably would have wanted the "Inquistion" to speak with him and tell him what they required him to believe.

The only problem is this isn't funny at all. Precious Roman Catholic people are so decieved by their own religion that they will perish in hell forever in their sins apart from God bring them to repentance and faith. Something we should pour out our hearts to God in intercession for them that they might be saved.

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News Item4/30/11 8:43 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
CJW wrote:
Philippians 1:1 "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to ALL THE SAINTS in Christ Jesus which ARE AT Philippi...

Did Paul make a mistake and write a letter to dead people or did he write to Christians in the Philippian church?

Dead to the world people maybe?
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News Item4/30/11 5:25 PM
CJW | Philippines  Find all comments by CJW
"While the Roman Catholic Church has held up heroes, patrons, intercessors and spiritual companions for centuries, the path to sainthood is never easy or quick." - Article

That is strange. My path to sainthood was both easy and quick. The moment I turned from my sins and put my trust only in Christ, Who alone paid for all of my sins, by faith alone I became a saint just like the Christians still living in Philippi...

Philippians 1:1 "Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to ALL THE SAINTS in Christ Jesus which ARE AT Philippi...

Did Paul make a mistake and write a letter to dead people or did he write to Christians in the Philippian church?

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News Item4/30/11 2:37 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
There's big bucks in making saints. The Worship of Saints is wrong, and while the Romish Church tries to make a difference between adoration and worship, it all comes out as worship for the laity especially. Anyway, Another bleeding Statue brings the attention and money that Rome wants.
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