Dr. Scott Carroll, left, Green's advisor and director of the Green collection and founder Steve Green.
About 17 months ago, the Green family went on a very expensive shopping spree.
But they didn‚Äôt burn the money on Bentleys, vacation homes or exotic yachts. They instead bought up 30,000 rare biblical texts and artifacts that now make up the largest private collection of its kind in the world.
The Greens, of Oklahoma City, are owners of the Hobby Lobby Empire, one of the nation‚Äôs leading privately owned arts and crafts retailers. Forbes Magazine puts the family fortune at around $2.5 billion....
Proverbs 23:22 "Hearken unto thy father that begat thee, and despise not thy mother when she is old. (23) Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding."
It's all a cause of interest to me, as Mart Green opened his hand to the tune of 70 some million dollars to cover for the inequities of Rich Roberts and company around Oral Roberts University. Also because I think fellow-man deals with Mardels Christian bookstore, where they got entire bricks of gold stacked in the form of many copies of the authentike book of the LORD, mostly made up of rice paper, gold leaf, and leather binding, where anyone lacking a good sword will not be able to sell their garment to come up with the price. Why they want to sit upon the stacks and not spread the substance which is abundant (namely the righteousness contained in the Scriptures and God's kingdom) go figure.
All Christians are cessationists, in one they don't believe that all the gifts of the Apostolic age has been passed on, and two, when one is thinking of the Bible, it means that nothing is to be added or changed after the close of the Apostolic age. This of course the AV translators did, and especially their leader, The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV. Being an political, ecumenical Bible, the AV also includes the errors of a Catholic Bible of added verses in the New Testament.
Oh, the Bible verses you seem to have so much trouble with, 1 Corinthians 14 9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me.---NASB.
Jim Lincoln wrote: By the way, John, all Christians are cessationists, all cult members aren't. You had better define your terms.
A present day cessationist is a person who can't bear to let scripture go to waste (i.e. 1 Cor 14), so he tries to find ways of using the texts, even if it makes no sense theologically, such as proving from the New Testament that the language in the KJV is too old. It would make more sense if he regarded the language of the KJV as a spiritually gifted language from heaven, unknown to anyone except those with the spiritual gift of interpretation.
However, as this is yet another strawman from Nebraska Man, I will desist from commenting further.
However, to say that ALL Christians are cessationist is a nonsensical and direct lie. Another trait of him who is the father of lies, and who often says, "Yea, hath God said?"
The burden of proof is upon you Jim, but to save you time, let me assure you that there is not one clear proof text for that argument. I know, because I've searched for one in vain.
By the way, John, all Christians are cessationists, all cult members aren't. You had better define your terms.
Douglas S. Chinn & Robert C. Newman wrote: ...the ... refusal of many pro-KJV people to acknowledge that the KJV is an imperfect text demonstrates that scholarship is not the primary basis of the TR-KJV movement. Rather, it shows that another basis besides scholarship is being used to establish the KJV as the best NT text, to split fundamental churches, and to polarize individuals over this issue. In their desire for absolute certainty, many people have replaced true scholarship with "faith without scholarship." However, such a methodology does not allow one to distinguish between biblical Christianity and such "blind faith" heresies as Mormonism. In reality, such a faith replaces the authority of God with "leading by feelings" concerning one's experiences using the KJV (or the Book of Mormon for that matter); and these experiences are just as likely to change, if not more so, as conclusions derived from careful scholarship.
Jim Lincoln wrote: John, U.K., you proved my point about, 1 Corinthians 14 9So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for you shall speak into the air. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be to him that speaks a barbarian, and he that speaks shall be a barbarian to me.---Amer KJV We definitely need Bibles in contemporary English, though one would prefer accurate ones like the New American Standard Bible.
I perceive that you are still taking the passage out of its context. This is a sign of a false teacher, Nebraska Man. I doubt Gil would resort to such subtle tactics, despite the fact that he has been swayed by the MV-Onlyist Cultist Modernistic Liberal Scholars.
"We definitely need Bibles in contemporary English.."
Strawman! This is not your beef, never has been. What you want is a greek text to translate provided by your anglican buddies Westcott and Hort, and the more recent United Bible Socities (ecumenical) text, and the modernistic Kurt Aland and Nestle greek texts.
Well it's a free world, you do whatever you want, but don't do it in the name of Christ lest he break out against you for causing his people to sin.
1 Corinthians 14 9So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for you shall speak into the air. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be to him that speaks a barbarian, and he that speaks shall be a barbarian to me.---Amer KJV
Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me. Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church. Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 1 Corinthians 14:11-16 KJV
Nebraska Man, just because you are a cessationist, it does not give you license to change the meaning of certain Bible texts to support your arguments about old english.
You should be the first to see it since it the display of these relics will open in OK city. If it's free and if it comes to Lincoln I'll take a gander at it.
People have to remember the only Bible they should be concerned about is an accurate one and one they can read, as the AV translators pointed out in the preface to that now hoary collector's item,
1 Corinthians 14:9 So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. 1 Corintians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. ---NASB