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Choice News SUNDAY, APR 3, 2011  |  33 comments
Atheist Hitchens Praises King James Bible

Atheist Christopher Hitchens paid tribute to the King James Bible, offering rare praises to a book containing the Word of God.

Hitchens is the second atheist, after Richard Dawkins, to laud the KJB in honor of the 400th anniversary of the translation.

The prominent atheists recognized and expressed appreciation for its contribution to English literature.

"Though I am sometimes reluctant to admit it, there really is something 'timeless' in the Tyndale/King James synthesis," said Hitchens in his commentary featured in Vanity Fair. "For generations, it provided a common stock of references and allusions, rivaled only by Shakespeare in this respect. ...


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
threefoldcord, you and the other gentlemen while you should read the scholarly appraisals that are given on the AV, should just be able to see a few things when you pick up the AV. Is it in modern understandable English? --No-- case is closed. I don't need anyone with PhD's or ThD's to point that out to me.

It is self-evident the AV has to be replaced. My question would be why haven't many of you pressed for the use of the The 21st Century King James Version of the Holy Bible (KJ21®) just as an example? It apparently has faithfully copied all the errors of the AV into itself.

Now, I wouldn't use an AV that has only been updated this way. I even really don't think a Ryrie Study Bible KJV Hardback- Red Letter though I might recommend to a hard-core AVer. A MacArthur NKJV would be better still and the only Bible in the AV tradition I would recommend.

Unless you've made an idol out of the AV --stop that please!!--you would consider these as possibilities.

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News Item4/10/11 4:39 PM
threefoldcord  Find all comments by threefoldcord
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Well, threefoldcord, If you familiar with the Reformed tradition, you know who the theologian B. B. Warfield is!
Yes I know about Warfield, but before you post Jim do you EVER look at both sides of any issue. I guess you didn't listen to the scholarly sermon?

Back to Warfield. T Lettis wrote an article which will enlighten and if you read it you will find some embarrasment re: your own NASB

here

see also

Maybe Jim can respond to last paragraph here

The starnge turn around in the NASB

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News Item4/10/11 4:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
threefoldcord wrote:
You might first need to update yourself with the following sermon, but be warned it is by a Reformed Calvinist who was one time a Critical Text follower simply because he was taught such in cemetery THEN he did his own research. A good sermon for Jim Lincoln to begin his own research Here
It just goes to show that recovery from Bible School Syndrome (in which the patient loses faith in his Bible or is bewitched into believing the critical text Roman Catholic ecumenists) is perfectly possible, just so long as they ignore the so-called scholars and do their own research into the matter.

It never fails to amaze me that those who reckon on errors in the Bible are incapable of producing a perfect Bible after "curing" all those errors. Of course it is all a sham and a subterfuge. These folks don't wish to edify Christians but introduce doubts. But thank God there are still some brothers who believe the Bible is the inerrant, inspired, infallible word of the Living God.

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News Item4/10/11 3:23 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, threefoldcord, according to your definition the AV is not the Word of God
1) Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV

2)

B.B. Warfield wrote:
We thus have brought before us by the Confession, in turn, the original
autograph of Scripture, produced by the immediate inspiration of God; the
preservation of this autographic text in a multitude of copies whose production
is presided over by God’s singular care and providence; and the
ordinary Bibles in the hands of the people, each of which conveys divine
truth to the reader with competent adequacy for all the needs of the Christian life.
on the Westminster Confession from, The Preservation of Scripture.

If you familiar with the Reformed tradition, you know who the theologian B. B. Warfield is!

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News Item4/10/11 2:06 PM
threefoldcord  Find all comments by threefoldcord
Jandl510 wrote:
Two points:
One, who cares if an atheist thinks the AV is a good example of historic English literature? Not I!
Two, the article states that the KJB is "a book containing the Word of God". Then, what else is contained in it? Either it IS or it IS NOT the word of God. If it only contains the word of God, what parts of the AV are the word of God and which parts are not, and who decides?
You might first need to update yourself with the following sermon, but be warned it is by a Reformed Calvinist who was one time a Critical Text follower simply because he was taught such in cemetery THEN he did his own research. A good sermon for Jim Lincoln to begin his own research Here
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News Item4/10/11 2:00 PM
Jandl510 | Illinois  Contact via emailFind all comments by Jandl510
Two points:

One, who cares if an atheist thinks the AV is a good example of historic English literature? Not I!

Two, the article states that the KJB is "a book containing the Word of God". Then, what else is contained in it? Either it IS or it IS NOT the word of God. If it only contains the word of God, what parts of the AV are the word of God and which parts are not, and who decides?

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News Item4/9/11 3:30 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
While the NASB is the best Bible around...
Impossible, when it utilises the United Bible Societies text, along with the Kurt Aland and Nestle text, known together as the NU text. Nothing good longterm can come from any translation making use of such texts.
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News Item4/9/11 2:13 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why John, U.K., The New American Standard Bible of course!

While the NASB is the best Bible around, Christian scholars, Baptists on the translation team, multiethnic team, and in good contemporary --American-- English. If it doesn't have those features throw out that Bible!

No Bible is perfect, especially if it isn't in the original, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. Some comments on preservation,

Dr. William Combs wrote:
...as Hills and
Letis suggest, that Burgon’s rejection of the TR was related to its origin
with Erasmus, who was not a bishop.
[DBS statement]
While the Bible clearly teaches the ultimate indestructibility of the
verbal revelation of God (Matt 24:35; 1 Pet 1:25), it does not tell how and
where the written manuscript lineage of that Word is preserved. We believe
that God has providentially preserved His word in the many manuscripts,
fragments, versions, translations, and copies of the Scriptures that are available,
and that by diligent study, comparison, and correlation, the original
text (words) can be ascertained.
from, The Preservation of Scripture
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News Item4/8/11 2:52 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
...the original autographs. That is the Bible God used, The Preservation of Scripture.
"To my knowledge, no one in that group denies the preservation of Scripture, that is, that the books of the Old and New Testaments have been substantially
preserved to our day. But they do deny that Scripture anywhere promises,
either directly or indirectly, its own preservation—a doctrine of preservation. That is, they can speak of the preservation of Scripture because it is a historical reality, but it is not a theological necessity. This then provides another way to distinguish between groups 1 and 2. Those in group 1, who deny a doctrine of preservation, believe Scripture has
been preserved, but it is only a historical reality—a fact that is clear from the historical evidence. Those in group 2, who affirm a doctrine of preservation, also believe that the historical evidence demonstrates the preservation
of Scripture, but add that this preservation is a theological
necessity—Scripture must be preserved because Scripture itself promises
its own preservation."

So he believes scripture is preserved, good!

But where, Jim?

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News Item4/8/11 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
vjking, yes, what were in the original autographs. That is the Bible God used, The Preservation of Scripture.
Dr. Wallace wrote:
...when the KJV was first published, it was heavily resisted for being too easy to understand! Some people revere it today because it is difficult to understand. I fear that part of their response is due to pride: they feel as though they are able to discern something that other, less spiritual folks cannot. Often 1 Corinthians 2:13-16 is quoted with reference to the KJV (to the effect that ‘you would understand it if you were spiritual’). Such a use of that text, however, is a gross distortion of the Scriptures. The words in the New Testament, the grammar, the style, etc.—in short, the language—comprised the common language of the first century. We do God a great disservice when we make the gospel more difficult to understand than he intended it. The reason unspiritual people do not understand the scriptures is because they have a volitional problem, not an intellectual problem....
--Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today. Read the whole thing;it isn't long.
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News Item4/7/11 2:55 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
vjking wrote:
1) First of all the question 'IS' a question, therefore what I am doing is making the point of where Jim's polemics are by using a question, - NOT the same as accusation. It is in effect a rhetorical use of question.
2) Apparently you hold yopurself as judge above me, since your implication is that "I" have twisted Scripture. I do not "twist" Scripture. The Holy Spirit is my guide and teacher. Christ is my Lord.
James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
Greetings, I was not implying that you were twisting The Scripture to your own destruction. You said you read and meditate on God's Word and I believe you.

Again, your quote to Jim: "b] Oh I see Jim, you are saying that "sinners" should not use the Bible.
That sounds like something Satan would encourage, - are you in league with Satan, Jim???"

My point was regarding, if sinners should use the Bible. And, I believe that there are some sinners who should not use the Bible, because they will twist it to their own destruction.

I was not referring to you in this regard whatsoever, because you are a believer. I was referring to non-believers, who are hostile against God's Word.

God bless!

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News Item4/7/11 2:53 PM
vjking  Find all comments by vjking
Jim Lincoln wrote:
1) The KJV Only people argue that the KJV is the only inspired Bible against which every other translation is to be tested.

2) The translators made no claim their translation was either inspired or perfect.

3) I'm sure they're just as good Christians as you are.

1) Time and God have demonstrated which Bible *HE* used - and authorised = AV, to teach His Church and Build the Church in the nations.
Maybe Ankerberg and Weldon should look deeper for the real answers, Jim.

2) Apart from Paul; - Neither did the Apostles/writers!! Perhaps you need 'faith' to receive this Jim?

3) "You are sure Jim" = Get outa here!!

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News Item4/7/11 2:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, vjking
Drs. Ankerberg & Weldon wrote:
The KJV Only people argue that the KJV is the only inspired Bible against which every other translation is to be tested. This claim is not only demonstrably false, it ignores the entire issue of biblical origin, transmission and translation.

Let’s examine this claim: The original preface of the KJV translators clearly stated their aims. The translators made no claim their translation was either inspired or perfect. Proof of this can be seen where they set variant readings and marginal notes in the text.

from The Conflict Over Different Bible Versions-Part Four

I'm sure they're just as good Christians as you are.

Again, when any of you have those supporting King James Onlyism on your doorstep, print this out and have it ready for them, A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed.

Jessica, do read what your fellow Canadians have to say on the issue, King James Version (KJV) ONLY???

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News Item4/7/11 5:54 AM
vjking  Find all comments by vjking
Jessica Dawson wrote:
1) My point was that you asked Jim: "That sounds like something Satan would encourage, - are you in league with Satan, Jim???"

2) My other point is, that even The Scriptures talk of persons, who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. And, I question whether such people should actually read God's Word?

1) First of all the question 'IS' a question, therefore what I am doing is making the point of where Jim's polemics are by using a question, - NOT the same as accusation. It is in effect a rhetorical use of question.

2) Apparently you hold yopurself as judge above me, since your implication is that "I" have twisted Scripture. I do not "twist" Scripture. The Holy Spirit is my guide and teacher. Christ is my Lord.

James 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.

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News Item4/6/11 9:14 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
vjking wrote:
I read, meditate and pray over the Word of God daily. Is your point that I do not understand them as well as you do?
Apparently 6 and 1/2 Billion lives today "hang in the balance." Shall I pray for them all?
Or shall I trust in God to save His elect?
And pray in the guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
My point was that you asked Jim: "That sounds like something Satan would encourage, - are you in league with Satan, Jim???"

Since we are not allowed to direct personal attacks towards others on these boards, I believe you crossed the line in the way you talked to Jim.

My other point is, that even The Scriptures talk of persons, who twist the Scriptures to their own destruction. And, I question whether such people should actually read God's Word?

To answer your question, yes you should be praying for all persons: 1 Timothy 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

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News Item4/6/11 12:46 PM
Street-Preacher  Find all comments by Street-Preacher
NO "PROTESTANT", SATANIC+VATICANIST &-OR ROMAN-"CATHOLIC" CULTIC INQUISITIONS HERE: EVER ! ! !

AS FOR THE KING JAMES BIBLE:

"THIS BOOK OF THE LAW SHALL NOT DEPART OUT OF THY MOUTH; BUT THOU SHALT MEDITATE THEREIN DAY AND NIGHT, THAT THOU MAYEST OBSERVE TO DO ACCORDING TO ALL THAT IS WRITTEN THEREIN: FOR THEN THOU SHALT MAKE THY WAY PROSPEROUS, AND THEN THOU SHALT HAVE GOOD SUCCESS." JOSHUA 1:8

"(FOR) ALL (THE 66 BOOKS [& NOT THE 72 BOOKS OF THE SATANIC+VATICANIST-ROMAN-"CATHOLIC"-CULTIC EXTRA-BIBLICAL HERESY] OF THE HISTORICAL [66 BOOKS OF THE HISTORIC] AUTHORIZED HOLY JUDEO+CHRISTIAN=BIBLE) SCRIPTURE IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD, AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTEOUSNESS;

THAT THE MAN OF GOD MAY BE PERFECT; THROUGHLY FURNISHED UNTO ALL GOOD WORKS." 2 TIMOTHY 3:16-17

"FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN; THE FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: AND THESE THREE ARE ONE." 1 JOHN 5:7

"KNOWING THIS FIRST, THAT NO PROPHECY OF THE SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.

FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE (& WROTE) AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST." 2 PETER 1:20-21

*IF GOD CAN MAKE A "DONKEY" TALK--HE CAN MAKE A "FOOL ASS" HITCHENS TALK TOO !

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News Item4/6/11 9:30 AM
JWF  Contact via emailFind all comments by JWF
Bible Publication Quiz (Revised):

Circle the best answer required to ensure publication of an inerrant and infallible English Bible:

(A.) Holy Spirit

(B.) Manuscripts

(C.) Church Council

(D.) Translators

(E.) Nihil obstat: Latin, "Nothing hinders"; Church leader validates Bible translation without error.

(F.) Imprimatur: Latin, "Let it be printed"; Church leader approval or license to print or publish.

(G.) All of the above.

_______________________

What makes the 1611 AV (KJB), in particular, an inerrant and infallible English Bible?

How does one discern if (A.) Holy Spirit is involved in the publication process of an English Bible translation?

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News Item4/6/11 9:13 AM
Lmnop  Find all comments by Lmnop
JWF wrote:
Bible Publication Quiz:
Circle the best answer required to ensure publication of an inerrant and infallible English Bible:
(A.) Manuscripts
(B.) Church Council
(C.) Translators
(D.) Nihil obstat: Latin, "Nothing hinders"; Church leader validates Bible translation without error.
(E.) Imprimatur: Latin, "Let it be printed"; Church leader approval or license to print or publish.
(F.) All of the above.
_______________________
Is the 1611 AV (KJB) an inerrant and infallible English Bible?
If not, which English version is?
Only God can "make sure" that the Bible which He uses is inerrant to the purpose of God. He did this in 1611.
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News Item4/6/11 7:46 AM
JWF  Contact via emailFind all comments by JWF
Bible Publication Quiz:

Circle the best answer required to ensure publication of an inerrant and infallible English Bible:

(A.) Manuscripts

(B.) Church Council

(C.) Translators

(D.) Nihil obstat: Latin, "Nothing hinders"; Church leader validates Bible translation without error.

(E.) Imprimatur: Latin, "Let it be printed"; Church leader approval or license to print or publish.

(F.) All of the above.

_______________________

Is the 1611 AV (KJB) an inerrant and infallible English Bible?

If not, which English version is?

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News Item4/5/11 5:34 PM
vjking  Find all comments by vjking
Jessica Dawson wrote:
Read The Scriptures.

A mans life lies in the balance, why not pray for his soul

I read, meditate and pray over the Word of God daily. Is your point that I do not understand them as well as you do?

Apparently 6 and 1/2 Billion lives today "hang in the balance." Shall I pray for them all?
Or shall I trust in God to save His elect?
And pray in the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

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