Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction?
Religion may be on the road to extinction in Canada ‚ÄĒ mathematically speaking, that is.
Travelling with us are Australia, Austria, the Czech Republic, Finland, Ireland, the Netherlands, New Zealand and Switzerland.
A study presented Tuesday at the American Physical Society meeting in Dallas noted a steady rise in the percentage of those countries' residents who claim no religious affiliation, and explained how social factors could help push religion toward the dustbin of history.
Of course you'll ignore, Thirteen Facts About KJV Onlyism, because being a member of the biblical equivalent of The Flat Earth Society, you're afraid you fall of the edge, if you believe in the truth. You and many others of the KJVonly crowd, are just like the Jehovah Witnesses who won't read anything but their own propaganda.
But again back to the article at hand Gil Rugh had an excellent sermon on the allurements of material wealth, an excellent sermon! The Means of Great Gain
Matthew 13 20 "And the one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word, and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. 22 "And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful.---NASB
Jim Lincoln wrote: John U.K. Thirteen Facts About KJV Onlyism...
Okay so you put up another link for me to read, which I shall of course ignore because it is yet another strawman and a smokescreen because I am not a KJV-Onlyist Cultist, and do not need to read arguments against such.
This is doing wonders for my longsuffering.
Now as regards the title of this thread, Jim. "Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction". Any ideas from the Lincoln encampment? Or are you all like ostriches with your head buried underground so that you can't see the real world out there?
And whatever happened to the oft repeated, Canada says "NO" to the KJV? Perhaps you forgot to mention that Canada also says "NO" to the NASB, that Canada says "NO" to the NIV, that Canada also says "NO" to the NEW NIV. Mmmmm?
And will you bring up the ludicrous 'unicorn' argument when God asks you why you trampled HIS word underfoot and recommended others to oust the KJV from their churches? Mmmmm?
Think seriously Jim. You are not on a virtual debating group, but dealing with real people who are headed for heaven or hell, and the only thing that makes the difference is faith in Christ or a lack of it.
But, I think I will try to return to article that SermonAudio has and just point out too many people do question what Jesus said in Canada and the U.S., and that is one of their major problems.
Luke 12 28 "But if God so arrays the grass in the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, how much more will He clothe you, O men of little faith! 29 "And do not seek what you shall eat, and what you shall drink, and do not keep worrying. 30 "For all these things the nations of the world eagerly seek; but your Father knows that you need these things. 31 "But seek for His kingdom, and these things shall be added to you.---NASB
Jim Lincoln wrote: Lockerman, there are various reasons people loose faith, but then it should be pointed out they never had it in the first place, so they can't loose what they never had. Hmmm, again I wasn't the one who brought up bible versions. So, why not tell John U.K. not to?
If you had taken the trouble to read my post, you would see that I related "modern versions" to a decrease in faith in Canada. The MV's make no claim that any of their "Bibles" can be trusted wholly, as there are a multitude of mistakes in them, and they don't know where those mistakes are, or they would rectify them and produce a Bible without any mistakes in it. Wouldn't they!?
But as it is, the MV's, according to you Jim, now have the upper hand in Canada who, according to you, say "NO" to the KJV, the only Bible which IS inerrant and inspired and preserved word of God, and thus it is inevitable that their faith will decrease in proportion to how they view scripture. If they take the MV view, their faith will decrease bit by bit until they apostatise completely. These folks will have gone through so many "Bible" versions that they will have memorised not one verse of scripture. Poor dabs!
Lockerman, there are various reasons people loose faith, but then it should be pointed out they never had it in the first place, so they can't loose what they never had. Hmmm, again I wasn't the one who brought up bible versions. So, why not tell John U.K. not to?
I will agree with this Bible verse,
1 Corinthians 14 9So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for you shall speak into the air. 11Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be to him that speaks a barbarian, and he that speaks shall be a barbarian to me. ---AMERICAN KJV.
Something that the AV translators pointed out, it is up to us to get the Bible out in a contemporary language, so it is non-Christians' fault if they don't believe and not ours.
Canadians and Americans may buy a Bible that is in an archaic tongue, but it will sit collecting dust somewhere in their houses, because it is unreadable.
Oh, state churches are poison to Christianity. Christianity has never the religion of the majority.
I went to a revival meeting last night and there were pastors from all over the valley where I live there. There was also much prayer and intersession for the churches in this area.
The mainstream may stand out as exceedingly sinful here, but religion is not near extinct at the present time.
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Romans 8:38-39 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Ah, Jessica, Comparing Bible Translations is always a great idea! There is nothing wrong with using more than one Bible translation, the NKJV makes a good dictionary for using the AV for example.
No doubt too many Canadians, and Americans, think of the Bible this way,
W. B. Riley wrote: Is the King James version absolutely inerrant? On this point we are inclined to think that, even unto comparatively recent years, such a theory has been entertained. The result, of course, is to make a sort of fetish of the book. That is why, in many a family, it is kept on the center-table and seldom used. They do not want to soil its sacredness‚Ä¶. ...between 1870 and 1885 the Canterbury Revision Committee, made up of a hundred of the world‚Äôs most accurate scholars, accomplished the text of the Revised Version. To claim, therefore, inerrancy for the King James Version, is to claim inerrancy for men who never professed it for themselves; to clothe with the claim of verbal inspiration a company of men who would almost quit their graves to repudiate such equality with prophet and apostle.
Lockerman wrote: It's not about the niv either. Bad as it is. Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction. Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction.
Yes, quite so, quite so.
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:8b KJV
Why should he not find faith on the earth?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:17 KJV
So if the word of God is removed, it is nigh on impossible for souls to come to faith. This is what happened when the antichrist kept all in darkness - those times were called The Dark Ages.
Wicklif was the brave soul who countered the darkness by translating into English. By the time of the Reformation, there were many English Bibles which were bringing new life in Christ.
Now we are going in the opposite direction again. Not to Latin, but simply a corrupton of God's word. This corruption leans already towards a salvation by works or baptism. Words are being removed like 'blood' the 'blood of Christ'. Words like 'hell' or 'where their worm dieth not'.
If the simple salvation by faith in Christ's blood and righteousness is no more in the Bible, Canadians will not get saved.
John UK wrote: Why would people want to buy a 1984 NIV when the publisher has consigned it to the abyss, where it belonged in the first place? Especially the Young People's Version which was downright evil! Imagine a publisher having to take Bibles off the shelf because their added words were too offensive even to nonbelievers and believers alike. Do you have shares in Zondervan? Now your statement above is like that of an ecumenical pragmatic arminian, who does not believe in the power of God. Having the form but denying the power. I ought to tell you that Christian discipleship is very tough, not a walk in the park with your Kindle reading a few verses from the latest and greatest modern version and ignoring what it says. Think often on these words and be sober: "Yea, hath God said?" These are the words of the devil, who seeks to cause doubt in the minds of real men and women and children. Play the devil's advocate at your peril, Jim. I recommend repentance and a true faith.
It's not about the niv either. Bad as it is.
Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction.
Canadians losing faith as religion faces extinction.
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Titus 1:15
On these message boards, people are attacking everyone else with the translation they use. One calls The NIV translation evil and another calls The KJV "magical". With everyone speaking evil of every different translation, someone is bound to "cut down the wrong tree" and find themselves burning in hell!
It is presumptuous to say that all Canadians who read The Bible, are reading The KJV. Get into a Bible study here, and there might be three to five different translations in one group.
This makes it easier for the group to compare translations.
Jim Lincoln wrote: a] too many people buy an unreadable Bible, The [A] [V]ersion.
b] If the bought something like the NIV 1984
a] If you can read english then you can read the KING JAMES VERSION. Do they speak english in Nebraska?
b] NIV based on the roman catholic text and "interpreted" by dynamic equivalence - does not provide the word for word translation of the KING JAMES VERSION. Thus does it change the doctrines of Scripture.
1] NIV ~ Roman Catholic Greek text. 2] NIV ~ Greek interpretation of two Liberal Anglican heretics. 3] NIV ~ And after all this they add dynamic equivalence. 4] NIV ~ Is not the Word of God ~ It is the interpretation of a church called heretical who worships relics and dead people. The interpretation of Liberals. The interpretation of men who quote; "Dynamic equivalence (also known as functional equivalence) attempts to convey the thought expressed in a source text (if necessary, at the expense of literalness, original word order, the source text's grammatical voice, etc.)"
Jim Lincoln wrote: The problem, John U.K., too many people buy an unreadable Bible, The [A]nglican [V]ersion. If the bought something like the NIV 1984 or even the NKJV, then people would read it, rather than buy Bibles for their "magical" properties. The KJV is the Nehushtan of Bibles. 2 Kings 18
Jim; there is something Seriously wrong with you. You, and everyone else knows that this story in Not a bible version story.
You do this with almost every story, then you tell people you didn't. (remember there are 500 of your post recorded here). Seriously Jim; what is wrong with you? Your Obsession with the nasb and running down the KJV and it's supporters is your Nehushtan.
I really don't understand why they allow you to keep this up.
The problem, John U.K., too many people buy an unreadable Bible, The [A]nglican [V]ersion. If the bought something like the NIV 1984 or even the NKJV, then people would read it, rather than buy Bibles for their "magical" properties. The KJV is the Nehushtan of Bibles.
2 Kings 18 4 He removed the high places and broke down the sacred pillars and cut down the Asherah. He also broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the sons of Israel burned incense to it; and it was called Nehushtan.---NASB
Jeremiah 6:16 Thus says the LORD: ‚Äú Stand in the ways and see, And ask for the old paths, where the good way is,And walk in it; Then you will find rest for your souls. But they said, ‚ÄėWe will not walk in it.‚Äô
Canada is losing it's old fashion sense of community: Like neighbours getting together for hay season and barn building.