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THURSDAY, MAR 10, 2011  |  29 comments
Poll: What Evangelical Leaders Believe about the End Times
A majority of evangelical leaders believe that Jesus Christ will return to earth and then reign with his followers for 1,000 years, a new survey shows.

This end times theology is called premillennialism and 65 percent of surveyed evangelical leaders identify with it.

As part of its monthly poll, the National Association of Evangelicals surveyed its board of directors, which include the CEOs of denominations and representatives of a broad array of evangelical organizations, on their eschatological beliefs. ...


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News Item3/13/11 4:56 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John UK, from their own mouth! Anglicanism, the third way?
This article is about anglicanism, not the 1611 Church of England.

Please stop relying on wiki to explain yourself; wiki is not the be-all and end-all of knowledge.

So please explain why YOU refer to the 1611 church and the puritans as syncretic. Or is every pioneering church a syncretic church by definition?

If A. what would have made the puritans non-syncretic in your eyes? If B. well......nuff said.

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News Item3/13/11 4:40 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim  Lincoln
and now, Were Westcott & Hort Members of a Ghost Society? -- they weren't spiritualists,

Is the King James Version a ‘Roman Catholic Bible’?, the answer is yes to that one.

a quotation from the above

Doug Kutilek wrote:
Briefly stated, then, the movement away from the textus receptus, which had been edited by Roman Catholic priest Erasmus, and toward the critical text was the work of Protestant scholars. The critical text may indeed be characterized as a non-Catholic Protestant text! Strange that modern English versions based on it could be characterized as “Catholic” translations. (Such inconsistency is also evident in the KJVOnly movement’s embracing of certain medieval versions as sound--Wycliffe’s version and the Waldensian Bible among them--though these were translated directly and solely from the Latin Vulgate text).
Unless a Bible is in contemporary English it should be automatically rejected, so what translation of the AV into modern English do you accept?

John UK, from their own mouth! Anglicanism, the third way?

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News Item3/13/11 4:27 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The AV a syncretic Bible put forth by a sycretic church.....
Jim Lincoln, it is high time you explained yourself and show how you view the Anglican Church of England as a syncretic church, especially bearing in mind the Thirty-Nine Articles of Religion and all the Homilies, all of which had to be accepted and believed by prospective candidates for the ministry.

And no avoiding the question, please. You must answer the charge, or cease from calling the Anglican Church of 1611 a syncretic church.

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News Item3/13/11 4:15 PM
and now  Find all comments by and now
Jim Lincoln wrote:
NASB
The KING JAMES VERSION of the Word of God has been used therefore authorised by God Himself now for over four centuries. God has used the KING JAMES VERSION to teach sound doctrines and build churches and nations all over the world. Praise be to God.

Whereas;
The NASB, NIV and the modern versions are produced from the Roman Catholic Vaticanus Text and using the 19th century input of two Liberal Anglican popish leaning bishops called Westcott and Hort who had some very strange "religious" habits such as spiritualist. And quote...

"(Hell is) not the place of punishment of the guilty, (it is) the common abode of departed spirits." (Westcott, Historic Faith, pp.77-78).

"We have no sure knowledge of future punishment, and the word eternal has a far higher meaning." (Hort, Life and Letters, Vol. I, p.149).

"No one now, I suppose, holds that the first three chapters of Genesis, for example, give a literal history. I could never understand how anyone reading them with open eyes could think they did." (Westcott, cited from Which Bible?, p. 191).

"But the book which has most engaged me is Darwin. Whatever may be thought of it, it is a book that one is proud to be contemporary with. (Hort)

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News Item3/13/11 4:01 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim  Lincoln
Well, indeed these verses do show where the Anglican Version is wrong,
Matthew 28
18 And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."---NASB

The [A]nglican [V]ersion a syncretic Bible put forth by a sycretic church founded by a serial wife killer, and there are Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV. By the way,

James Strong for "World" wrote:
00165:
165 aion ahee-ohn' from the same as 104; properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future):--age, course, eternal, (for) ever(-more), (n-)ever, (beginning of the , while the) world (began, without end). Compare 5550. see GREEK for 104 see GREEK for 5550
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News Item3/13/11 2:28 PM
howeveragain  Find all comments by howeveragain
John UK wrote:
Ah Mike, my dear ol' bro,
All Mike needs to do is to examine both sides BEFORE coming to a conclusion...which I am sure he does (unlike Jim).

see for example the article 'Unicorn' at the following...

http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/translation-issues

A great new book from Dr Allen of the Trinitarian Bible Society see

http://www.tentmakerpublications.com/featured/jewel-in-the-king-s-crown-the.html

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News Item3/13/11 2:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
True, John. However, unless I be wrong, this particular "world" is from the greek "aion" which means age.
Ah Mike, my dear ol' bro, yes you be wrong, and I know why.

You imagine that translating greek words into english is a relatively simple matter which any ol' turnip can accomplish.

But no, it is not so simple.

Now is the time to learn by the witness of God the Holy Ghost that the King James Bible can be fully trusted, being translated by mighty men of God linguistically. They were fully aware of the possibilities in the said text, but chose world as the correct translation, so world it is. And this means that our precious Lord will not waste his time as world ruler, based in Jerusalem, to no purpose. Rather, the end will come suddenly, like a thief in the night. This is why if souls are hoping to get saved, they better seek the Lord WHILE he may be found, as the second sudden coming will usher in the judgment straightway.

Thanks to the two posters who commented on this text.

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News Item3/13/11 1:25 PM
howeveragain  Find all comments by howeveragain
Mike wrote:
True, John. However, unless I be wrong, this particular "world" is from the greek "aion" which means age.
The semantic scope of “αἰών (aiōn)” is wide, allowing the meaning of “world (all that the age encompasses)” by implication. The NASB translates “αἰών” as “world” in Matthew 13:22, Mark 4:19, 2 Corinthians 4:4, 1 Timothy 6:17, 2 Timothy 4:10, Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 11:3.
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News Item3/13/11 1:24 PM
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Mike wrote:
True, John. However, unless I be wrong, this particular "world" is from the greek "aion" which means age.
G165
αἰών
aiōn
ahee-ohn'
From the same as G104; properly an age; by extension perpetuity (also past); by implication the world; specifically (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future): - age, course, eternal, (for) ever (-more), [n-]ever, (beginning of the, while the) world (began, without end)."

Of course you cannot have one without the other. If there was no "world" then "age" would be irrelevant. So they are interdependant.

Also Jesus promise, "with you alway, unto the end of the world" - implies more permanence unto the very end. "Unto the end of the age" could suggest Jesus limits His stay to the end of a "time period" which doesn't describe (in english) his promise as permanent all the way to the end of everything.

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News Item3/13/11 12:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:16-20 KJV
The King James Version, being correct of course, shows that THE GOSPEL will be preached from Christ's ascension to his second coming, which is the end of the world.
The promoters of the NASB believe that there will be a millenial reign of Christ after an imaginary rapture of the saints, so they change the last phrase to "end of the age".
Just goes to show how your version will affect important doctrines about the end times.
True, John. However, unless I be wrong, this particular "world" is from the greek "aion" which means age.
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News Item3/13/11 9:45 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Matthew 28:16-20 KJV

The King James Version, being correct of course, shows that THE GOSPEL will be preached from Christ's ascension to his second coming, which is the end of the world.

The promoters of the NASB believe that there will be a millenial reign of Christ after an imaginary rapture of the saints, so they change the last phrase to "end of the age".

Just goes to show how your version will affect important doctrines about the end times.

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News Item3/12/11 5:08 PM
John UK | Tewkesbury, England  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John from UK, when the Bible is taken as it should be....

....then you will come up with, not only premillennial but the following as well....

It seems to me that you are saying that Christ Jesus the Lord will reign on earth for one thousand years, after the church has been raptured and gone to heaven. So the Lord is going to reign over non-Christians? To what purpose? To convince them that he is the Son of God? That he can save them from their sins? Not a chance fella!

Or do you believe, because of the modern versions, that there is to be a "new age" after the (nonexistant) "church age"? A new age with yet another method of saving souls because the last seven "ages" have proved ineffectual?

Or have you not yet come to the understanding that God's way of salvation has always been by grace, in both old and new covenants? It cannot be by any other method, owing to the simple fact that the sinner (in Adam) is dead, really dead, and totally dead. He is quite incapable of saving himself, despite what Finney believed and taught.

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News Item3/12/11 4:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim  Lincoln
John from UK, when the Bible is taken as it should be,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
The challenge for us is to approach the Bible to learn and study what it says without reading into it what we want it to say. There are certain principles that can be applied that will allow us to rightly divide the Word and understand what God has said, and what He meant when He inspired the men who wrote it down. The basic rules of interpretation discussed follow the literal, grammatical, historical hermeneutic.
from, Principles of Bible Interpretation, and then you will come up with, not only premillennial but the following as well, Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 1 and Evidence for the Pre-Trib Rapture part 2.
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News Item3/11/11 3:45 PM
John UK | Tewkesbury, England  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why John 6 point Calvinists are believe you have to be Post or Amillennial. It's a part of Catholicism that they didn't give up, unfortunately....
Well, what they should do is ignore Calvinism, Catholicism, Romanticism, Conregationalism, antdisestablismentarianism, Arianism, Legalism, Judaism, Methodism, and any other ism which only leads to schism, and read the Bible through a few times, then some more times, and eventually they'll see that according to Jesus, his second advent is also called "the end of the world", and perhaps then they would go join a Church which believes the biblical doctrines of free and sovereign grace, is autonomous, appoints its own leaders, and in the UK is often called Baptist. All these Particular Baptist churches preach the biblical doctrine of Jesus Christ reigning currently at the right hand of the Father, and that time will cease at the sound of the trumpet, when eternity will be upon us.
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News Item3/11/11 2:51 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim  Lincoln
Why John 6 point Calvinists are believe you have to be Post or Amillennial. It's a part of Catholicism that they didn't give up, unfortunately, ESCHATOLOGY--Different Rapture Views is a paper written by one of our pastors at IHCC, which will clearly state the various viewpoints of the End Times.

Ah, for the classic premillennialist:

Dr. Ice wrote:
nother of Dr. Walvoord's insights includes the observation that there is a single kind of approach to developing and defending pretribulationism. What does he mean? When it comes to pre-trib rationale, there are not multiple systems that have reached the same conclusion-pretribulationism. In other words, all pretribulationists use the same hermeneutic, generally the same exegesis and theologically the same thought process in arriving at pretribulationism.
from, The Walvoord Legacy
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News Item3/11/11 1:54 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Jim should be along shortly. Are you ready, bro?
I'm a-ready bro. And looking forward to the translation into English of his recent post. Maybe you could do it Mike? Or was it a mystery to you as well?

Anyone would think I was a barbarian.

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News Item3/11/11 1:38 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Jim should be along shortly. Are you ready, bro?
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News Item3/11/11 1:32 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Where did everybody go?
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News Item3/11/11 12:13 AM
Fat Guy  Find all comments by Fat Guy
Dispensationalism end time theology isn't classical (historical) pre-millenialism. The first advent of Christ was His birth, the second advent of Christ will be his return to collect His Elect; the dead in Christ will rise first and then the living will be caught up with Him. Then the spiritually dead, whether living or dead will rise unto Judgement. It is one movement. It is the end of the old age. Christ does not come back to rule over sinners here on earth. Heaven will come down and He will create the new Kingdom here on earth without sin; this is the start of the new age to come, the Eternal age. It is mockery to think that Jesus will return to rule over sin. His second return is the culmination of end time events. Check out www.againstdispensationalism.com
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News Item3/10/11 8:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
jpw wrote:
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Literalism is not always literal actually. Is Jesus the temple? The believer, salt? Wisdom a woman crying in the streets?
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That which is literal is not allegory, or symbolic. Are the six days of creation a long undefined period of time, or six literal days? Are believers actually the temple of the Holy Spirit, or is that mere symbolism? If Satan is bound for a thousand years, and the thousand years is symbolic of now, and therefore Satan is bound now, no longer deceiving the nations, why do we see otherwise when we look at the nations?
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