DA: West Philadelphia abortion doctor killed 7 babies with scissors
Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams released photos of these bags allegedly filled with remains of aborted fetuses in the office of Dr. Kermit Gosnell.
WEST PHILADELPHIA - January 19, 2011 (WPVI) -- An abortion doctor who catered to minorities, immigrants and poor women was charged with eight counts of murder in the deaths of a patient and seven babies who were born alive and then killed with scissors, prosecutors said Wednesday.
Dr. Kermit Gosnell, 69, made millions of dollars over 30 years, performing as many illegal, late-term abortions as he could, prosecutors said. State regulators ignored complaints about him and failed to visit or inspect his clinic since 1993, but no charges were warranted against them, District Attorney Seth Williams said.
Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Williams said.
Williams said patients were subjected to squalid and...
The Fat Guy wrote: http://revivalandreformation.wordpress.com/2011/01.. For those who think that a fetus is just unorganized flesh....here is your proof that you have been looking for! May the Spirit of God convict your heart! http://revivalandreformation.wordpress.com/2011/01/02/raise-your-hand-if-you-hate-abortion/
Thank you for posting this link my friend. I cried when I saw this, and I have published another post concerning this terrible subject, see it here:
Well, my mom took BC pills after I was born, but they were the older, stronger type, so the likelyhood is much greater that she had no--what do they call them--"breakthrough ovulations"--that could then have gone on to be fertilized by what few sperm were able to transit the mucas thickened by the same BC pills.
Otherwise my folks would be guilty of murdering at least one of my younger siblings (I am in fact, the youngest in my family). That's pretty tough to contemplate!
My big problem with the BC pill has always been the incredibly tempting opportunity it offered my parents' generation to limit the size (and thus the overall perceived liability--especially FINANCIALLY) of their families in favor of a more physically prosperous lifestyle.
Fewer mouths to feed means more disposible income in the short-term, but fewer people to take care of you in the long-run.
Per4m wrote: "Patients were subjected to squalid and barbaric conditions at Gosnell's Women's Medical Society, where Gosnell performed dozens of abortions a day" Well the Government does authorise this by legislation. Did they really expect every clinic to have morals too?
Kind of reminds one of the dungeons, racks and torture chambers that subjected pregnant women during the days of the Spanish Inquisition, doesn't it?
The EVIL Roman Catholic Religion has the blood of millions, if not billions of butchered babies on its hands for, lo, these past 18 centuries!
"These six things doth the LORD Hate: yea, seven are an ABOMINATION unto Him:
A proud look, a LYING tongue, and HANDS THAT SHED INNOCENT BLOOD,
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
A false witness that speaketh LIES, and HE THAT SOWETH DISCORD AMONG BRETHREN." Proverbs 6:16-19
For not even pregnant women had any mercy afforded them by the Spanish Inquisitors--as they tortured and tore the very flesh from the bodies of their female victims--in Religious RAGE & INSANE Roman Catholic Zeal Did The Franciscan & Dominican Monks, Priests & Etc. Rip The Very Babies From The Wombs Of Their Mothers': As They Lay On The TORTURE RACK !
question-thanks for replying, I was just explaining the alive and then dead part.
san jose, what fat guy is explaining is that the birth control pill has three mechanisms, one-stop ovulation, two-reduce sperm motility, three-change endometrium. these three mechanisms are really the altering of the woman's hormones and is more of a wholistic affect on her body, which broken down have an effect on infertility. Normally ovulation occurs with a viable endometrium. in the case of subverted hormones from the pill, ovulation can occur without the fertile endometrium (surface of the womb)---so the conceived life cannot implant. the pill then is designated to prevent a week old fetus, if pregnancy does occur from implanting to the endometrium.
so what Fat Guy is saying that it doesn't just grease the skids, but actually is abortifacient. and then there's the recommendation that a woman hold off from getting pregnant for a certain time after being on the pill, a friend of the family just recently got off the pill and had a miscarriage. An abortion after conception by prolife def is an abortion.
Randy Alcorn researched this himself and has a booklet. Dobson's doctor staff were split on vote to admit pill is abortifacient.
jpw wrote: I hardly think that God is going to keep a woman from being pregnant because later on she is going to terminate the pregnancy
jpw In relation to your statement above I would have to ask, "What do you believe about God's ability of foreknowledge"?
However the question as to whether God creates the soul at birth, or earlier, is an old theological debate. 1. "Creationism" - holds that God creates a new soul at the birth of every individual. 2. "Traducianism" - holds that the souls as well as the body originates by propagation. 3. "Pre-existence" - (early church) holds that soul existed in a previous state.
Hence the reason for my applying the question in this "very modern" context. In the old days the Reformed Church preferred creationism - Lutherans went for Traducianism. RCC - "souls are created at their infusion into the body" (Peter the Lombard).
It is obviously a question which mortals can only speculate upon.
However I do agree that abortion is wrong and I tend to see it as culpable killing, since if the termination had not been applied, the foetus/soul would go on to birth and life. Thus to stop this by man is killing.
The Fat Guy wrote: Yes, all these abortion doctors are butchers! But so are the Christian men and women who sit in their church pews who use birth control pills. They are engaging in the same crime as the abortionist,just using a chemical alternate.
I can agree in part. The birth-control pill was to abortion what DADT was to allowing gays to openly serve in the military. It "greased the skids", so to speak, allowing the latter to become reality easier.
question, my friend, something must be troubling your soul on this, because your question could apply to anything.
the pill inserts have traditionally described the three mechanisms of the pill. Because I have studied natural family planning (which is catholic because no protestants care enough to package the information), it is quite understandable to me. the third mechanism is that the womb lining, which is usually fertile at this time, is thinned out, and the conception may not be able to implant to the mother's womb. this is what fat guy is talking about.
I hardly think that God is going to keep a woman from being pregnant because later on she is going to terminate the pregnancy. in that case there would be no abortions, no murder, no crimes, because God would just keep the victims from ever being alive.
This is tough stuff, clearly this abortion thing is disgusting, horrifying, a terrible crime against humanity. For the Christian, we must understnad that the pharma industries are not "Christian" our doctors are largely just going with the flow and don't want to pronounce the truth about these chemicals, but in the background I have known pharmacists who have spoken out, even having to change jobs as to not have to dispense these things to women, etc.
The Fat Guy wrote: Yes, all these abortion doctors are butchers! But so are the Christian men and women who sit in their church pews who use birth control pills. They are engaging in the same crime as the abortionist,just using a chemical alternate.
You are absolutely correct. And it's hypocritical of Christians to condemn a practice in which they participate. Abortion is abhorrent in the sight of Almighty God. It doesn't matter if the child is newly conceived, and dies due to abortifacient "birth control" or the in the third trimester of pregnancy.
As a long time anti-abortion advocate, I would also state that abortion continues in this nation with the permission of the church. Our silence, indifference, and our own anti-child attitudes are contributing factors to this holocaust. Much like the German Church in Nazi Germany.
Perhaps one day we will be forced to march by these death camps, to our own rebuke and shame, like the folks at Buchenwald Concentration camp?
The Fat Guy wrote: But so are the Christian men and women who sit in their church pews who use birth control pills. They are engaging in the same crime as the abortionist,just using a chemical alternate.
TFG Does God provide the soul/life in conception? If so would HE decline to place a soul/life at conception, which was not going to be allowed to live?
The Fat Guy wrote: Yes, all these abortion doctors are butchers! But so are the Christian men and women who sit in their church pews who use birth control pills. They are engaging in the same crime as the abortionist,just using a chemical alternate.
Correct. Why do the majority of Protestant Churches permit the use of artificial birth control pills?
Yes, all these abortion doctors are butchers! But so are the Christian men and women who sit in their church pews who use birth control pills. They are engaging in the same crime as the abortionist,just using a chemical alternate.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah,John Y., even if (I suppose I have to uee the term "alleged" baby killer) is guilty, it is find that he repents of his sin and then God will determine what is eternal fate will be. Matthew 6 21 "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.---NASB However, if true, this person deserves execution, Rendering To Caesar: A Biblical Perspective On Government.
Are you stating that if an abortionist repents and receives Jesus as their Personal Savior that they would not go to Heaven when they pass away? That is so unscriptural. The Bible makes it clear that anybody who becomes Born Again by receiving Jesus as Savior will go to Heaven.
Matthew 5 21Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: (A)nglican (V)ersion,
Then of course since it is in Elizabethan rather than English I will use the various Strong's numbers to help tranlate this verse
Strong's numbers wrote: 05407: 5407 phoneuo fon-yoo'-o from 5406; to be a murderer (of):--kill, do murder, slay. see GREEK for 5406 05406: 5406 phoneus fon-yooce' from 5408; a murderer (always of criminal (or at least intentional) homicide; which 443 does not necessarily imply; while 4607 is a special term for a public bandit):--murderer. see GREEK for 5408 see GREEK for 443 see GREEK for 4607
Paul wrote: This is nothing new. Sad? Yes, terribly, but what is the difference between killing a precious baby outside of the womb or inside? They've been doing this inside the womb for years, and just because he does it outside, all of the sudden, it's murder?! Life is life, murder is murder, it's just as big of a crime to kill a precious baby in the supposed warmth and security of Mommy's womb as it is to do it outside. One little piece of info that y'all might find interesting. My wife is expecting our fourth child in February. She needed a stitch on her cervix to keep it closed due to a genetic weakness. When they were doing the operation, our little guy at 14 weeks scurried up and away from the activity scared and confused at what was happening. Alive? Well, duh?! Of course he's alive.
Your comment is right on; there is no difference between in the womb or out. Some would prefer we not call murderers, murderers but they won't find support from scripture. How can they call upon the Lord if they don't see the need? Oh congratulations!
Jim Lincoln wrote: Ah,John Y., even if (I suppose I have to uee the term "alleged" baby killer) is guilty, it is find that he repents of his sin and then God will determine what is eternal fate will be.
Ah,John Y., even if (I suppose I have to uee the term "alleged" baby killer) is guilty, it is find that he repents of his sin and then God will determine what is eternal fate will be.
Matthew 6 21 "You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22 "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever shall say to his brother, 'Raca,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.---NASB
This is nothing new. Sad? Yes, terribly, but what is the difference between killing a precious baby outside of the womb or inside? They've been doing this inside the womb for years, and just because he does it outside, all of the sudden, it's murder?! Life is life, murder is murder, it's just as big of a crime to kill a precious baby in the supposed warmth and security of Mommy's womb as it is to do it outside.
One little piece of info that y'all might find interesting. My wife is expecting our fourth child in February. She needed a stitch on her cervix to keep it closed due to a genetic weakness. When they were doing the operation, our little guy at 14 weeks scurried up and away from the activity scared and confused at what was happening. Alive? Well, duh?! Of course he's alive.
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