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FRONT PAGE  |  9/24/2017
TUESDAY, DEC 28, 2010  |  17 comments
Trees May Pollute More than Cars
We have long been led to believe that the automobile and the power stations are the primary source of hydrocarbons and nitrous oxide pollutants in our atmosphere. On the other hand, the trees clean up the air. Now – surprise, surprise – the oak trees in California’s Sierra Nevada have been found to release hydrocarbons into the air!

Scientists have also discovered that Scotch pine trees in southern Finland emit nitrogen oxides. These oxides react with atmospheric hydrocarbons to make nitric acid, a component of acid rain. Nitrogen oxides can also help make ozone, the primary part of smog. This discovery was made accidentally as researchers investigated whether the trees used nitrogen from the air. As part of their research, they sealed living tree branches in plastic bags and measured the changes in the air inside the bags. They expected to see a decrease in the amount of nitrogen. To their ...


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News Item12/31/10 7:10 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Randy wrote:
This has Got to be the most rediculous exanple of a thread getting off topic as has ever been. Seriously; your'e Debating the old "If a Tree Falls in the Wildrness" question?
If you want to discuss Epistimological Dualism, e mail each other. Talk about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel....
I really though you two were too intellegent to get caught up in such a silly trap. You have too much to offer to discredit yourselves with this petty argument.
I would suggest you're the only one arguing. Don't you like trees?
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News Item12/31/10 3:49 PM
Randy | Indy  Find all comments by Randy
This has Got to be the most rediculous exanple of a thread getting off topic as has ever been. Seriously; your'e Debating the old "If a Tree Falls in the Wildrness" question?

If you want to discuss Epistimological Dualism, e mail each other. Talk about straining at a gnat and swallowing a camel....

I really though you two were too intellegent to get caught up in such a silly trap. You have too much to offer to discredit yourselves with this petty argument.

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News Item12/31/10 3:40 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Yes. The presence of a living thing with ears is irrelevant, since you excluded the meaning of sound as involving the sense of hearing.

And certain inanimate objects can be affected by sound waves just as much as the ear. Surely you wouldn't suggest there is no sound if they are perturbed by a tree falling.

What does your question have to do with pollution?

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News Item12/31/10 1:35 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
so Neil, what you are saying then is that the tree fell in the forest and made a sound, even if you didn't hear it?
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News Item12/30/10 10:20 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
jpw wrote:
If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it make a sound?
That depends on what definition of "sound" is meant. Since it is stipulated that "no one hears it," then the definition involving the function of the human ear is necessarily excluded; hence, the only reasonable sense is the energetic disturbance of a gas in the range of audible frequences. In which case, the answer is, "Yes."

This may seem ridiculously pedantic to some, but it is exactly what should be done in the exegesis of Scripture.

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News Item12/30/10 5:30 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it make a sound?
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News Item12/29/10 10:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Perhaps the authors have indeed found some exceptions to the rule, & I should not have said "simply." But they offer no evidence regarding heavy-metal toxicity, which was the subject jpw brought up.
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News Item12/29/10 9:29 PM
Elmer Schwartz | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer Schwartz
Neil wrote:
Even water is toxic if consumed in sufficient quantity. Toxicity is simply a matter of dosage.
Does "the dose make the poison?"
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News Item12/28/10 7:04 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
jpw, leaving that article's obvious political bias, hysterical tone, and faulty inferences aside, it is irrelevant to my post, for I never denied that DU is toxic.

The writer is alleging official indifference to contamination, which I do not deign to argue.

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News Item12/28/10 3:01 PM
thinking for self  Find all comments by thinking for self
jpw wrote:
mercury in the animal or human body is pollution......

gotta be able to think for yourselves, people. at the internet, while it is still here, you have the capability to research these things for yourselves

The internet says::-

"There is a lot of talk about the amounts of mercury and our 'toxic tipping point'. I thought it might be interesting to compare the amount of mercury in vaccines and the amount of mercury that occurs naturally in the human body.

For an 'average' person of 154 pounds, there is 6mg (miligrams) - or 6000 micrograms(µg)) of mercury occurring naturally in the body. So, roughly, a person of 25 pounds has 1mg (1000µg) of mercury. A healthy newborn weighs on average about 7.5 pounds which gives a mercury body burden of 303µg of mercury.

When we look at the FDA thimerosal content of vaccines currently mandated and add them all up we see that we get 239.2µg of mercury - way under what occurs naturally in the body of a healthy 7.5 pound newborn.

The maths is quite clear. There is more mercury existing naturally in our bodies - even those of a 7.5 pound newborn - than the combied total of every single thiomersal containing vaccine on the market."

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News Item12/28/10 2:56 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
search "doug rokke", retired Captain, 3rd US Army Depleted Uranium Assessment team during Desert Storm, DIRECTOR FOR THE US ARMY DEPLETED URANIUM PROJECT, HE DEVELOPED CONGRESSIONAL TRAINING MATERIALS AND ARMY REGULATIONS ON DU.

read his bio at the end of this very informative article:
http://www.agoracosmopolitan.com/home/Frontpage/2008/04/17/02335.html

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News Item12/28/10 2:27 PM
Paul | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Paul
Next platform for the Green Party..."Chop down the trees to save the environment"!
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News Item12/28/10 2:15 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
if jpw were as well-educated as he expects other folks to be, he would not single out DU as a hazard since more mundane metals used in ammunition like tungsten & lead, if one is exposed to sufficient amounts, are also toxic to the body. Weapons are often like that.

Many American tank crewmen died in WW2 because they were denied tungsten-core HVAP ammunition, which was supplied only to Tank Destroyers.

Even water is toxic if consumed in sufficient quantity. Toxicity is simply a matter of dosage.

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News Item12/28/10 1:32 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
mercury in the animal or human body is pollution.

depleted uranium, as was used in Iraq is pollution to the human.

corexit is lethal to animals and humans as was poured out night after night across the gulf after the oil gusher.

these are the things that people should be looking at and talking about, because they are affecting the very lives of real people right now.

of course Bill Gates wants you worried about your breathe because he wants the world depopulated by billions, that's what I gathered from his presentations. How do you depopulate a world anyway?

gotta be able to think for yourselves, people. at the internet, while it is still here, you have the capability to research these things for yourselves. the tv will never tell you.

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News Item12/28/10 12:32 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Well, now that CO2 is considered a "pollutant" greenies could just count the net pollutants produced by trees, since trees absorb C02, thus reducing their culpability as polluters.

I can still remember American comedians like the late Johnny Carson mocking the Reagan administration when they first announced this (that trees produce air pollution) back in the early 1980s.

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News Item12/28/10 12:23 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
ther4 wrote:
"Some scientists estimate that the amount of nitrogen oxides produced by such northern forests may be as much, if not more than, the amounts produced by all of man’s industry"
Aaww surely this doesn't mean that Al Gore was wrong does it.
And does this mean that "Global Warbling" will have to be abandoned by the politicians and "Greens" and such.
What price the Kyoto Protocol now folks???
They will not abandon. They are true believers in the worship of creation. Very religious, they are.
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News Item12/28/10 10:55 AM
ther4  Find all comments by ther4
"Some scientists estimate that the amount of nitrogen oxides produced by such northern forests may be as much, if not more than, the amounts produced by all of man’s industry"

Aaww surely this doesn't mean that Al Gore was wrong does it.

And does this mean that "Global Warbling" will have to be abandoned by the politicians and "Greens" and such.

What price the Kyoto Protocol now folks???

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