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FRIDAY, DEC 10, 2010  |  9 comments
Parents on trial for praying while sick child died
When 2-year-old Kent Schaible fell ill in January 2009, his parents prayed for him to get well.

The question put to a Philadelphia Common Pleas Court jury today is: Should Herbert and Catherine Schaible also have sought medical care for Kent before he died of bacterial pneumonia?

In a case that calls for the jury to dissect the boundaries of parental responsibility, religion and the law, the involuntary manslaughter trial of the Rhawnhurst couple began this morning.

Mythri Jaraman, the lawyer for Catherine Schaible, 41, argued in her opening that Schaible's religion does not play a role in the charge against her because the prosecution cannot prove a key element of involuntary manslaughter: that she knew, or should have known, Kent "faced a substantial risk of death. She is being charged with letting Kent die." ...


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R .Gr | aust  Find all comments by R .Gr
Chris Perver wrote:
I must concur. Although this story is very sad, and no doubt this trial is a double blow for the parents involved here, praying for a child while not seeking medical help is negligence.
The Word of Faith movement has a lot to answer for here.
Be carefull of what you r saying here.Your sadness seems to be more based on them not going to the doctors. Where does it say to go to the State doctors no where you should not say word of faith movement??Just look what you have said.Dont let the charismatic movement rob you of true Biblical Faith. But the Bible does say if some one is sick call the elders! Just do it.Believe God and His word of Faith. Live by faith. What the parents have done they have done in faith it seems to me. God alone shall Judge. What is not of faith is sin. Pritty plain.dont be like Jobs three friend. Providence belong to God.Why the child died can not be determined by them not going to the doctors. Also The state should keep out of it. God is able to help the parent know what is HiS will.
And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians.
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News Item12/11/10 8:42 PM
Elmer Schwartz | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer Schwartz
Barry from KY wrote:
I don't know about you Elmer, but I feel that those people could have just as easily prayed from the emergency room or doctors office. It would have been no less God! He is the Great Physician. All healing comes from him. They even had doctors back in bible times. I pray several times a day. I don't believe I could stand not talking with God. He gave us doctors. They do much good every day.
You're not paying attention Barry. I provided the key statement for you. Go read it again and let it sink in.

Ready? According to that, there was no reason to go see anyone, be it an Allopath or even a real physician like an Herbalist, Naturopath, or Natural Hygienist. Oh, and what qualifies someone as being a healer? In your programmed (by the State) opinion, a State license does. But does the Lord say that a physician must be qualified and given permission to heal by Antichrist? I don't think so.

When you says doctors do much good, you are meaning Allopaths. Well, review this and see how much good they do:

http://www.whale.to/a/null9.html

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News Item12/11/10 12:39 PM
Frank | Clearwater, FL  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Jessica Dawson,

Thanks for your open and honest post on suffering. I will pray the Lord heals or comforts you in your difficulties. If your husband doesn't object, you can contact me personally and we can discuss the issue of suffering in the body of Christ. If not, then just remember that our suffering here on earth can't even be compared to the glory we will have with Him!

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News Item12/10/10 9:37 PM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
Luke 5:31 Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.

Perhaps, they were basing their descision on 2 Chronicles 16:11-13? God only knows, whether these parents did right or wrong? It's heartbreaking!

2 Chronicles 16:11-13 And, behold, the acts of Asa, first and last, lo, they are written in the book of the kings of Judah and Israel. And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. And Asa slept with his fathers, and died in the one and fortieth year of his reign.

I have had chronic illness for many years, I've had two knees and hip replaced. I have no shoulder joints that all, because of advanced rheumatoid arthritis. I am typing this with voice recognition software. I have struggled many years wondering if I do not have the faith to be healed. Or if God is using my illness to further His purposes. When Jesus was separating the sheep from the goats, the goats were noted among many things, as not having visited the sick. I am afraid, for those who on judgment day will have found out that they've made a grave mistake, in not visiting or ministering to me while I was sick.

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News Item12/10/10 9:06 PM
Barry from KY  Find all comments by Barry from KY
I don't know about you Elmer, but I feel that those people could have just as easily prayed from the emergency room or doctors office. It would have been no less God! He is the Great Physician. All healing comes from him. They even had doctors back in bible times. I pray several times a day. I don't believe I could stand not talking with God. He gave us doctors. They do much good every day.
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News Item12/10/10 7:00 PM
Elmer Schwartz | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer Schwartz
"the boundaries of parental responsibility, religion and the law"

Religion and "the law" cannot be separated. The courtroom itself is a religious institution. And what is "the law?" No one really knows.

""A simple visit to the doctor, a prescription and that little boy could have been with us today," Pescatore added."

Oh really? Is this person God? A visit to an Allopath (a poisoner) and some poison pills and people ASSUME that the boy would live. Rubbish!

"the boy's symptoms were not any different from those of the common cold or flu"

Ah ha, now for all you easily deceived propagandee's who eat up whatsoever the State saith, this statement is key.

"We are not here to discuss religion, we're here to discuss why this child passed away."

Again, ain't no escapin' religion.

"after eight children died during a Philadelphia measles epidemic when members resisted vaccinating their children."

Oh no, more lies? On this nonsense, see Are Vaccines a Gift from God?

I don't advocate the "faith healing" thing here, just trying to help you deluded ones look at this carefully before you become so judgmental.

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News Item12/10/10 1:23 PM
Cliff Leckey | N. Ireland  Find all comments by Cliff Leckey
I`am sure the Apostle Paul would not have rejected the advise of "Luke, the beloved physician".Col 4:14.
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News Item12/10/10 1:19 PM
Chris Perver | Bangor, N. Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Chris Perver
I must concur. Although this story is very sad, and no doubt this trial is a double blow for the parents involved here, praying for a child while not seeking medical help is negligence.

The Word of Faith movement has a lot to answer for here.

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News Item12/10/10 11:34 AM
Wayfare  Find all comments by Wayfare
"belong to a fundamentalist Christian church that believes in the power of prayer and faith healing instead of medical care."

Prayer is not a means by which we tell God what to do.

God uses "means" one of which is in the last 150 years has been the progress of medical science to help people and even cure them in many different diseases and conditions, which before killed many. Thus God's providence works in sinful man to alleviate pain and suffering by providing him with knowledge and ability. Trying to 'tell' God what to do and when to do it is to reject God's ways and mercy which 'HE' chooses to provide among us.

James 5:16 "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."

Pray yes, all the time. But the verse says nothing about the 'means' applied to facilitate the healing.

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