US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis
The United States was catapulted into a worldwide diplomatic crisis today, with the leaking to the Guardian and other international media of more than 250,000 classified cables from its embassies, many sent as recently as February this year.
At the start of a series of daily extracts from the US embassy cables ‚Äď many designated "secret" ‚Äď the Guardian can disclose that Arab leaders are privately urging an air strike on Iran and that US officials have been instructed to spy on the UN leadership.
These two revelations alone would be likely to reverberate around the world. But the secret dispatches, which were obtained by WikiLeaks, the whistleblowers' website, also reveal Washington's evaluation of many other highly sensitive international issues....
"Have you heard of the expression "What a crock."?"
Yes I have, I love cooking up stuff in my Crockpot for the Calvinists to feed on, I take the commandment "when your enemy is hungry feed him" literally. So I give them what they hunger for most and feed their lusts.
Authy wrote: Merry Christmas Michael. On the WCF it is an excellent teacher on Biblical Doctrines and combined with the Catechism is a very good way to learn and comprehend the teachings and precepts of God's Word. As for "sacraments" the dictionary has it:: "Ecclesiastical . a visible sign of an inward grace, esp. one of the solemn Christian rites considered to have been instituted by Jesus Christ to symbolize or confer grace: the sacraments of the Protestant churches are baptism and the Lord's Supper; the sacraments of the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, matrimony, penance, holy orders, and extreme unction. 2. Also called Holy Sacrament, the Eucharist or Lord's Supper." The words origin is 12th cent. French. The word "crucify" is also 12th cent. French. Should we abandon them both because of this?? As for the RCC language related to their beliefs, their actions are wrong because of their erroneous theology, not because of how the English language developed over centuries.
Authy We are way off the news topic of this thread. If you want to discuss the matter of the WCF etc. more maybe we could do this over email.
Michael Hranek wrote: Just a quick question, WHY? in the world would you want to continue posting from the WCF since you have already let the cat out of the bag about SACRAMENTS, so to speak?
Merry Christmas Michael.
On the WCF it is an excellent teacher on Biblical Doctrines and combined with the Catechism is a very good way to learn and comprehend the teachings and precepts of God's Word.
As for "sacraments" the dictionary has it:: "Ecclesiastical . a visible sign of an inward grace, esp. one of the solemn Christian rites considered to have been instituted by Jesus Christ to symbolize or confer grace: the sacraments of the Protestant churches are baptism and the Lord's Supper; the sacraments of the Roman Catholic and Greek Orthodox churches are baptism, confirmation, the Eucharist, matrimony, penance, holy orders, and extreme unction. 2. Also called Holy Sacrament, the Eucharist or Lord's Supper."
The words origin is 12th cent. French. The word "crucify" is also 12th cent. French. Should we abandon them both because of this??
As for the RCC language related to their beliefs, their actions are wrong because of their erroneous theology, not because of how the English language developed over centuries.
R .Gr wrote: I might be wrong here but I thought sacraments meant Lord Supper in that word.. Isnt it
R .Gr Merry Christmas! Perhaps you might ought to look a bit deeper into the word Sacrament versus Ordinance.
Roman Catholics view Sacraments as something they do and/or is done for them by their priest as means of getting or earning 'grace' from God. The writers of the WCF were undoubtedly highly aware of this use of the word Sacrament. Of course much of the worldview of the "Reformers" like Calvin came from their Roman Catholic background especially from the writtings of Augustine, a doctor of the RCC of all things.
What I would loosely call Baptist-Type Believers do not hold the idea of Sacraments but rather hold to a faith resting upon the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ, remembering Him in the Lord's supper and following Him in believer's baptism. Because the Grace of God is not opposed to effort but to merit because if we work for it, Grace is no longer Grace but wages we have earned and God owe's us, like seeking the Lord in prayer or demonstration of one's faith (for a new believer in Believer's Baptism).
Of course we have drifted a long ways from the news story of 'cable leaks' and how that is affecting us today.
A Merry Christmas or A merry pagan festival or A Happy Hanikkah or A very merry whatever to one and all.
And don't forget 'ALL' authority comes from God. So pray for those in authority, eg that nice Mr. Obama and Mr. Cameron et al. Why?..... Because God says so.....
1Tim 2:1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for *ALL THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY;* that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
Michael Hranek wrote: Just a quick question, WHY? in the world would you want to continue posting from the WCF since you have already let the cat out of the bag about SACRAMENTS, so to speak? If those who drafted the WCF blew it on SACRAMENTS what make you think they are all that accurate on all the rest?
Hi Mike you dont pray and have the Lords Supper in your Church?
R .Gr wrote: those that have trully put their faith in Christ that have flaws still remaining
"Man, by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation;[a] so as a natural man, being altogether averse from that good,[b] and dead in sin,[c] is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.[d] (WCF)
# [a] John 15:5; Rom 5:6; 8:7. ‚ÄĘ [b] Rom 3:10, 12. ‚ÄĘ [c] Eph 2:1, 5; Col 2:13. ‚ÄĘ [d] John 6:44, 65; 1 Cor 2:14; Eph 2:2-5; Titus 3:3-5.
"All those whom God hath predestinated unto life, and those only, he is pleased, in his appointed and accepted time, effectually to call,[a by his Word and Spirit,[b out of that state of sin and death, in which they are by nature, to grace and salvation by Jesus Christ;[c enlightening their minds, spiritually and savingly, to understand the things of God;[d taking away their heart of stone, and giving unto them an heart of flesh;[e renewing their wills, and by his almighty power determining them to that which is good,[f and effectually drawing them to Jesus Christ;[g yet so as they come most freely, being made willing by his grace.[h (WCF)
Authy wrote: Regarding "Saving Faith" "The grace of faith, (WCF)
Saving faith is where The Holy Spirit opens the dead heart to receive Christ as HE did Lydia.
But to say you or someone else is not going to go to heavan because.....
There are pleanty of Calvinsit that are not going to heaven because they are more about a Spirit of a Pharasee than On Christ. You brought this up this chalenge to mike. Its Faith in Christ. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and ye shall be saved. Not in calvin or Armineus. But simply Christ. You dont need to believe in predestination to be saved though in time one ought to see this in the scriptures and the because, is not will of man.Faith in Christ. Life is about living Holy live in Christ and that by loving the brethren (those that have trully put their faith in Christ that have flaws still remaining even arminiams ok even calvinism just in case someone says im bias .) if you cannot love your brother how can anyone love God who they have not seen.Its not Psalms only, not church government, not tounges, not end time veiw,these are peripheral, one must sing unto the Lord one must believe in Church government one must believe He is coming again but how its done or when. Ought not divide us.
R .Gr wrote: If you want to be sound in Faith. TRy answering questions that people bring up then at least by one's answer we will see if it to be sound
Regarding "Saving Faith"
"The grace of faith, whereby the elect are enabled to believe to the saving of their souls,[a] is the work of the Spirit of Christ in their hearts,[b] and is ordinarily wrought by the ministry of the Word;[c] by which also, and by the administration of the sacraments and prayer, it is increased and strengthened.[d] (WCF)
# [a] Heb 10:39. ‚ÄĘ [b] Eph 1:17-19; 2:8; 2 Cor 4:13. ‚ÄĘ [c] Rom 10:14, 17. ‚ÄĘ [d]. Luke 17:5; Acts 20:32; Rom 1:16-17; 4:11; 1 Pet 2:2.
"God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass;[a] yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin,[b] nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established.[c] (WCF)
# [a] Rom 9:15, 18; 11:33; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17. ‚ÄĘ [b] James 1:13, 17; 1 John 1:5. ‚ÄĘ [c] Prov 16:33; Mat 17:12; John 19:11; Acts 2:23; 4:27-28.
me, ye that work iniquity" Matt 7:23 ____________________
You must try to study and learn the Bible if you are to be sound in Christian doctrine, but also humble in witness. Luke 17:10 So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.
when did you say you were an unmprofitable servent. ?And done your duty to do? Is that another mis quote? If you want to be sound in Faith. TRy answering questions that people bring up then at least by one's answer we will see if it to be sound.You Saying "Whose going to heaven then Mike, you or me?" is sad . Not humble in witness at all.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Many of us are Calvinistic. However, we should say we are first worshipers of God and only respect men to the point where they follow Him.
Calvin was a great theologian and correct in many areas but those involving Israel, infant baptism, and limited atonement, I ignore.
Jim; Whats a "calvinistic"? - Is that where you accept the Biblical doctrines which John Calvin teaches, but then reach out to other religious and heterodox variations and replace the Biblical with "men-pleasing" teachings so as not to upset mortals?
I see you have diluted Christ's Limited Atonement again. I suppose you are extending the human Arminian version of universal atonement, without God's predestinated decision about who is elected. I guess that keeps everybody happy so that they believe they can at least effect a part of their own salvation???
"Reformed Position: Christ's death was designed to actually secure the salvation of all of God's chosen people. �Christ's death secured and actually accomplished the salvation of all of God's chosen people.� God has determined that all for whom Christ sacrificed Himself will be saved." (fivesolas.com)
Don't forget Jim, you can't please all of the people all of the time.
Many of us are Calvinistic. However, we should say we are first worshipers of God and only respect men to the point where they follow Him. In fact you can really dislike the man, but respect Calvin, for what he emphasizes that is Christian.
Gil Rugh said or, wrote: ...most believers function as Arminians in the way that they live their lives. This creates all kinds of problems for us. Arminianism has presented us with the idea that man has some ability to deal with his sin, some ability to respond and accept God's salvation. Man is not viewed as totally depraved, totally helpless, worthless and unable to do anything pleasing to God....
TheManBehindTheManBehindTheMan wrote: I've Been Greatly Perturbed By Some Of The So-Called "Calvinists" Who Post On
Don't forget what we Biblical Calvinists are trying to achieve here Tony, - Viz Bring the TRUTH of Scripture doctrine to the people.
Quote... "The old truth that Calvin preached, that Augustine preached, that Paul preached, is the truth that I must preach to-day, or else be false to my conscience and my God. I cannot shape the truth; I know of no such thing as paring off the rough edges of a doctrine. John Knox's gospel is my gospel. That which thundered through Scotland must thunder through England again."‚ÄĒC.H.Spurgeon
"It is a nickname to call it Calvinism; CALVINISM IS THE GOSPEL, and nothing else. I do not believe we can preach the gospel, if we do not preach justification by faith, without works; nor unless we preach the sovereignty of God in His dispensation of grace; nor unless we exalt the electing, unchangeable, eternal, immutable, conquering love of Jehovah; nor do I think we can preach the gospel, unless we base it upon the special and particular redemption of His elect and chosen people which Christ wrought out upon the cross." CHS