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SUNDAY, NOV 28, 2010  |  19 comments
When Jesus' Nativity is a myth and Obama's is gospel
A billboard company that earlier rejected requests to purchase sign space for the message "Where's The Birth Certificate?" now has erected a message slamming Christianity.

The Lamar Outdoor billboard near New York shows silhouettes of the traditional images of three wise men approaching a Nativity scene.

It's message, "You KNOW it's a Myth/This Season, Celebrete REASON!" caught the attention of Fox News, which reported that some passers-by at its location on Route 495 near the Lincoln Tunnel in North Bergen, N.J., thought it was inappropriate. ...


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News Item12/7/10 5:46 PM
Paul | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Paul
Excellent article on Christmas and its origins...

http://revivalandreformation.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/unwrapping-christmas-for-the-seeker-of-truth/p

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News Item12/3/10 7:32 PM
Elmer Schwartz | Berlin, Ohio  Find all comments by Elmer Schwartz
A Dec. 25th myth indeed.
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News Item11/30/10 1:39 PM
Unhappy-Unholy Days  Find all comments by Unhappy-Unholy Days
Happy Holidays wrote:
Don't forget the real reason for the REAL reason for the season!!!
I Was Raised In One Of THE MOST SPIRITUALLY DARKEST Of ROMAN CATHOLIC Neighborhoods In Chicago, IL, USA.

Every "CHRISTMAS" All The Devout Roman Catholic Families Would Attend The "Mass" Of/For "Christ"; Being First "Said" In LATIN & Then In The "Native" Tongue/Language Of The Ethnic Ruling Class Of The Neighborhood.

As I Can Clearly Remember One Unholy " 'Christmas' Day", In My Childhood, Going To THE LOCAL ROMAN CATHOLIC TEMPLE OF IDOLATRY With My Family.

As We Entered Through The Front Doors, Going Into The Foyer/Vestibule; We Put Our Fingers On A Sponged-Dish Filled With "Holy Water" & "Crossed" Ourselves In The Name Of The "Father, Son & Holy Ghost".

As We Walked Down The Isle To The Pews, We Went Before The Altar & With Our Right-Knees Touching The Ground; Bowed Down To A HUMONGOUS PAGAN IDOL OF A MAN HANGING ON A CROSS.

We Prayed-To/Worshipped This PAGAN IDOL, Begging IT To Forgive Us Of Our Sins--But Only Expecting Mercy From ANOTHER PAGAN FEMALE IDOL Instead.

At The End Of The "Christmas" Service; We Kissed The Foot Of A BABY IDOL-STATUE; The ONE That Earlier Was Lying In A Straw "Manger" Amongst OTHER PAGAN HEAVENLY-EARTHLY IDOLS-STATUES !

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News Item11/30/10 4:44 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Happy Holidays wrote:
#1 Someone that was saved shared the gospel with you, so we shouldn’t be ashamed of doing the same for others that are lost.
#2 All this bickering here over the semantics about Christmas day about that day not being the actual day Jesus Christ was born or other such arguments are just other forms of legalism that gives you an excuse to keep your mouth shut at this time of year thinking you are doing a service for God.
#3 So think about it, what are you really ashamed of this Christmas, the day or event or both to not want to celebrate Christmas with other Christians?
#4 Don't forget the real reason for the REAL reason for the season!!!
#1 Absolutely correct!

#2 Serving God means obeying his word, and THAT is NOT legalism when done out of love for Christ.

#3 Most Christians I know celebrate "Christmas" by getting together at the local inn for a slap-up meal, and that's the evangelicals.

#4 The reason for X-Mass is the Roman Catholic Church (antichrist) who instituted a special Mass for the birth of Jesus. In history, the true Bible students have rejected X-Mass as unbiblical and an affront to God.

#5 Every day I rejoice in the coming of Christ to this world.

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News Item11/29/10 4:58 PM
Happy Holidays  Find all comments by Happy Holidays
In Conclusion

Someone that was saved shared the gospel with you, so we shouldn’t be ashamed of doing the same for others that are lost. All this bickering here over the semantics about Christmas day about that day not being the actual day Jesus Christ was born or other such arguments are just other forms of legalism that gives you an excuse to keep your mouth shut at this time of year thinking you are doing a service for God. So think about it, what are you really ashamed of this Christmas, the day or event or both to not want to celebrate Christmas with other Christians?

Don't forget the real reason for the REAL reason for the season!!!

Merry Christmas to all …

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News Item11/29/10 3:40 PM
Happy Holidays  Find all comments by Happy Holidays
Continuing
The toys and Christmas material are now 50 to 75% off as well as most other seasonal merchandise,so isn’t this a great time to buy cards, gifts, toys, etc for next Christmas? One very good reason that giving gifts to others in rememberance of Jesus Christ is not wrong because it makes the world aware of His birth and life. It also presents a great opportunity to share the Gospel or the Good News with the lost because there is NO other religion that the whole wide world acknowledges the birth and resurrection of their leader. (i:e Buddha, Mary, etc. have tombs) And on top of this, their leader‘s birth is what the whole worlds time table is based on, (BC=Before Christ and AD=After Death!!!So if Jesus Christ was a myth and did not do the miracles that the Bible claims and did not rise from the dead, do you really think that this time frame would have been allowed to continue all these 2,0000+ years in a fallen world if God did not want it to be so?

Merry Christmas means Christians are taking one day out of the year to celebrate the birth of our Lord and Saviour. Jesus said, “ For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and [in his] Father's, and of the holy angels.” Luke 9:36 Con

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News Item11/29/10 3:00 PM
Rufus | Fort Worth, TX  Protected NameFind all comments by Rufus
Christmas = Christ Mass = Roman Catholic/Pagan Holiday/"Holy" day. Born again believers should learn not the way of the heathen (Jeremiah 10). Away with these false nativity scenes which confuse folks into believing the images rather than the Bible and run contrary to the admonition that we ought not think the Godhead should be engraven by art and man's device. It is all wretched, and we ought to flee idolatry as the good brother a couple posts ago noted via the beautiful word of God.
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News Item11/29/10 2:30 PM
Happy Holidays  Find all comments by Happy Holidays
"Church was replying to a letter from a young reader, Virginia O'Hanlon, who asked if Santa Claus really existed... According to the Encarta encyclopedia, the nickname Kris Kringle evolved from the German words for Christ child, Christkindl."

Therefore, we should NOT be celebrating Santa Claus’s or Kris Kringle’s birthday the same day as we do Jesus Christ, because he is the Counterfeit version of Jesus. Santa Claus should be observed on his own given day on Dec. 31/Jan.1st, since that is the last day of the holiday season known as New Year’s eve and day. So when someone says Happy Holiday’s they would then be referring to Santa Claus and when they say “Merry Christmas” they would be referring to Jesus Christ.

The advantage of this is in the gift giving. Those giving gifts on Christmas Dec.24/25 should be doing it in remembrance of the Christ child and NOT for the counterfeit Kris kringle. Those giving gifts on Dec. 31/Jan.1 would be doing it in the spirit of Santa Claus aka Kris Kringle aka St. Nicholas. On New Years eve people make some resolutions for themselves that they never keep and soon break, so in essence they are deceiving or lying to themselves. Since the Bible says Satan is the father of lies, how very appropriate to acknowledge him in this way. Cont

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News Item11/29/10 1:23 PM
Happy Holidays  Find all comments by Happy Holidays
SANTA CLAUS
Born: ?
Birthplace: The North Pole
Best Known As: Jolly toy-delivering Christmas figure
Also known as: St. Nicholas; Kris Kringle; Father Christmas
Santa Claus is the mythical figure who delivers toys to children around the world each year on Christmas Eve. According to legend, Santa lives at the North Pole and oversees a toy workshop run by busy elves. Each December 24th, on the eve of the celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ, Santa is said to fly around the world delivering his toys in a sled pulled by eight reindeer: Blitzen, Comet, Cupid, Dancer, Dasher, Donder (or Donner), Prancer, and Vixen. (A ninth reindeer with a shiny nose, Rudolph, was introduced in Gene Autry's 1949 country music hit "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer.") The name Santa Claus was derived from Sinterklaas, the Dutch term for the ancient Christian figure of Saint Nicholas.

The Santa Claus myth was popularized in America by the 1823 poem "A Visit From Saint Nicholas," attributed to Clement Moore. The poem begins "Twas the night before Christmas". In the early 1860s cartoonist Thomas Nast drew Santa as a round, bearded man in a red suit, an image that stuck... An 1897 editorial by Frank P. Church in the New York Sun coined the famous phrase "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus". C

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News Item11/29/10 12:26 PM
NoNativityStatuesIdolsIdolatry  Find all comments by NoNativityStatuesIdolsIdolatry
Just Say NO To IDOLATRY Of ANY (EVERY) Kind !

"Thou Shalt Not Make Unto Thee Any Graven Image, Or Any Likeness Of Any Thing That Is In Heaven Above, Or That Is In The Earth Beneath, Or That Is In The Water Under The Earth:" Exodus 20:4

"Thou Shalt Not Bow Down To Their Gods, Nor Serve Them, Nor Do After Their Works: But Thou Shalt Utterly Overthrow Them, And Quite Break Down Their Images." Exodus 23:24

"But Ye Shall Destroy Their Altars, Break Their Images, And Cut Down Their Groves:" Exodus 34:13

"Ye Shall Make You No Idols Nor Graven Image, Neither Rear Up A Standing Image, Neither Shall Ye Set Up Any Image Of Stone In Your Land, To Bow Down Unto It: For I Am The LORD Your GOD." Leviticus 26:1

"And I Will Destroy Your High Places, And Cut Down Your Images, And Cast Your Carcases Upon The Carcases Of Your Idols, And My Soul Shall Abhor You." Leviticus 26:30

"Then Ye Shall Drive Out All The Inhabitants Of The Land From Before You, And Destroy All Their PICTURES, And Destroy ALL Their MOLTEN IMAGES, And Quite PLUCK DOWN ALL THEIR HIGH PLACES:" Numbers 33:52

"LEST YE CORRUPT YOURSELVES, AND MAKE YOU A GRAVEN IMAGE, THE SIMILITUDE OF ANY FIGURE, THE LIKENESS OF MALE OR FEMALE," DEUTERONOMY 4:16

JUST SAY NO TO THE GRAVEN IMAGES & FIGURES OF NATIVITY IDOLATRY !

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News Item11/29/10 11:56 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
BWS wrote:
Hardly, I was only addressing what the billboard actually says, which specifically addresses the "Season" myth. By supporting, promoting and defending an unscriptural and superstitious date for Christ's birth it only gives ground and reason for mocking Christianity. By adding a "tradition of men" it causes the truth of God's word to be mocked and blasphemed, and is intellectually dishonest.
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Concern noted. My concern is about the message underlying the message you see here. Consult the american atheist website. Not much worry over dates there. But they do deny the existence of Jesus, and say he is a character in a work of fiction.

Why so concerned over mocking by athiests? Remember this:

Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake."

BWS wrote:
The greatest blasphemy is false teaching, mixing error with truth, and establishing a Fake Christianity, which substitutes 'Christmas' for Nativity.
No, the greatest blashphemy is denial of Christ himself.
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News Item11/29/10 6:36 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
So stop being so insane and psychotic.
John, you appear to know an awful lot about insanity and psychoticism. If you have a problem in these areas, I'm sure we would all be willing to pray for you.
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News Item11/29/10 6:30 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
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News Item11/29/10 12:21 AM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
Mike wrote:
Isn't your expressed concern kind of like putting all your attention into stomping on a bug while a bear is approaching?
Hardly, I was only addressing what the billboard actually says, which specifically addresses the "Season" myth. By supporting, promoting and defending an unscriptural and superstitious date for Christ's birth it only gives ground and reason for mocking Christianity. By adding a "tradition of men" it causes the truth of God's word to be mocked and blasphemed, and is intellectually dishonest.

Rather, "isn't your expressed concern kind of like" an ostrich burying its head in the sand about the myth of December 25th--and justifying this myth and tradition as if it is a scriptural mark of Christian and gospel truth for the atheist to believe?

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. (2 Peter 2:1-2)"

The greatest blasphemy is false teaching, mixing error with truth, and establishing a Fake Christianity, which substitutes 'Christmas' for Nativity.

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News Item11/29/10 12:06 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
BWS wrote:
Well, it is most certainly a Myth to claim or celebrate or venerate December 25th as the birth of Jesus Christ, which is certainly no culumny against the doctrine that he was born of a virgin, Emanuel, God with us. Therefore, the billboard (while perhaps is intended against all Christianity) is correct, since it is contrary to both the Bible as well as reason.
Pastors of yester-year, like Spurgeon and Samuel Davies, were more bold and less concerned about political correctness (as modern pastors are, along with Fox and WND) and openly condemned the date of Dec. 25th--which they admitted was pagan and popish "superstition"--and not a Holy Day, or holiday, that Christians were bound to observe or keep as the "birth of Christ".
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The issue is not the whether the birthdate of Jesus is December 25th. The issue is the nativity itself. The billboard is sponsored by an athiest group that isn't as concerned with the 25th as you seem to be. It is the birth of Christ, the Son of God they are saying is myth, not December 25th as his birthday. Isn't your expressed concern kind of like putting all your attention into stomping on a bug while a bear is approaching?
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News Item11/28/10 11:19 PM
Paul | Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by Paul
BWS wrote:
Well, it is most certainly a Myth to claim or celebrate or venerate December 25th as the birth of Jesus Christ, which is certainly no culumny against the doctrine that he was born of a virgin, Emanuel, God with us. Therefore, the billboard (while perhaps is intended against all Christianity) is correct, since it is contrary to both the Bible as well as reason.
Pastors of yester-year, like Spurgeon and Samuel Davies, were more bold and less concerned about political correctness (as modern pastors are, along with Fox and WND) and openly condemned the date of Dec. 25th--which they admitted was pagan and popish "superstition"--and not a Holy Day, or holiday, that Christians were bound to observe or keep as the "birth of Christ".
But today it is too $profitable$ for "tithes and offerings" by the real Scrooges who count their collections in both Modern Churchianity, as well as on Wall Street. It is the modern churches' and christian merchandisers' "black Friday" too!
Totally agree, BSW. We as a family are slowly doing away with the Dec 25th Christmas, and making sure that our lives, practices and "traditions" are actually Scripturally supportable.
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News Item11/28/10 10:05 PM
BWS  Find all comments by BWS
Well, it is most certainly a Myth to claim or celebrate or venerate December 25th as the birth of Jesus Christ, which is certainly no culumny against the doctrine that he was born of a virgin, Emanuel, God with us. Therefore, the billboard (while perhaps is intended against all Christianity) is correct, since it is contrary to both the Bible as well as reason.

Pastors of yester-year, like Spurgeon and Samuel Davies, were more bold and less concerned about political correctness (as modern pastors are, along with Fox and WND) and openly condemned the date of Dec. 25th--which they admitted was pagan and popish "superstition"--and not a Holy Day, or holiday, that Christians were bound to observe or keep as the "birth of Christ".

But today it is too $profitable$ for "tithes and offerings" by the real Scrooges who count their collections in both Modern Churchianity, as well as on Wall Street. It is the modern churches' and christian merchandisers' "black Friday" too!

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News Item11/28/10 2:09 PM
Frank | Clearwater Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by Frank
Achreios wrote:
"No Adam and Eve means no need for a savior. It also means that the Bible cannot be trusted as a source of unambiguous, literal truth It (sic) is completely unreliable, because it all begins with a myth, and builds on that as a basis. No Fall of Man means no need for atonement and no need for a redeemer. You know it.""
The simple fact is that these reprobates are stating what is "truth" to them. Of course they cannot perceive truth in Scripture, only the Christian can do that with the help of the Holy Spirit.
If only they had free will.
If only they were freed from the bondage of sin.
And also this helps us grasp the fact that 'faith' is the gift of God, not a human resource.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Well said, your comment was a blessing to me!
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News Item11/28/10 1:03 PM
Achreios  Find all comments by Achreios
"No Adam and Eve means no need for a savior. It also means that the Bible cannot be trusted as a source of unambiguous, literal truth It (sic) is completely unreliable, because it all begins with a myth, and builds on that as a basis. No Fall of Man means no need for atonement and no need for a redeemer. You know it.""

The simple fact is that these reprobates are stating what is "truth" to them. Of course they cannot perceive truth in Scripture, only the Christian can do that with the help of the Holy Spirit.

If only they had free will.
If only they were freed from the bondage of sin.

And also this helps us grasp the fact that 'faith' is the gift of God, not a human resource.

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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