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MONDAY, NOV 15, 2010  |  20 comments
Nazis Were Given ‘Safe Haven’ in U.S., Report Says
A secret history of the United States government’s Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a “safe haven” in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II, and it details decades of clashes, often hidden, with other nations over war criminals here and abroad.

The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades.

It describes the government’s posthumous pursuit of Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz, part of whose scalp was kept in a Justice Department official’s drawer; the vigilante killing of a former Waffen SS soldier in New Jersey; and the government’s mistaken identification of the Treblinka concentration camp guard known as Ivan the Terrible.

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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
I am assuming when the bioweaponized germs are moved to Kansas, that the infected animal population of Plum Island will be left behind, except for the infected cattle that they do the experiemnts on, not sure if they will just incinerate them or take them to the new facility in the middle of cattle country in Kansas.

As for your second question, I cannot speak for the people at Fox, last time I checked today, they were trying to convince their audience with TSA interviews that having agents put their hands down people's pants is necessary for national security.

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News Item11/17/10 4:49 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
jpw wrote:
Traub worked on the Lyme bacteria at Plum Island for years. Many blame the Lyme Conneticut outbreak on Plum Island, which is being moved to Kansas. Lyme is now the number one epidemic in America. The NASA program was built on Nazi knowledge. IBM technology was used by Nazis, certain politicians funded the Nazi's, Fox produced propoganda films for them. The connections go on and on.
A couple of questions:

Will Plum Island still be an island when it gets moved to Kansas?

Does Fox know it produced propaganda films for the Nazis before Fox existed?

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News Item11/17/10 4:21 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Traub worked on the Lyme bacteria at Plum Island for years. Many blame the Lyme Conneticut outbreak on Plum Island, which is being moved to Kansas. Lyme is now the number one epidemic in America. The NASA program was built on Nazi knowledge. IBM technology was used by Nazis, certain politicians funded the Nazi's, Fox produced propoganda films for them. The connections go on and on.
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News Item11/16/10 3:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim, now you've gone off the rails into abuse along with logical irrelevance; your or my experience has no bearing on Scriptural norms for church discipline.

I recall you once upbraided me for complaining about your grammar. So is my vocabulary any more relevant? Surely it's not too hard for someone boasting of a Master's Degree & Internet expertise. 'Tu Quoque' (3 syllables) is readily found at Wikipedia & elsewhere.

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News Item11/16/10 2:38 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, of course you won't answer my question because you don't have a good answer, you really got to stop putting polysyllabic nonsense, it impresses no one.

You notice that ! Timothy 1:19 assumes one is in a Christian organization, the United Methodist Church isn't! I admit when that minister admoished all those in the Nebraska Methodist Conference I should have clapped and said right-on, but perhaps like you, I neither had the quickness of mind or the courage to do so. At that time, I really didn't know where to go. As my knowledge of the Bible increase, I left that organization.

So, why didn't you do as you told me to to do?

Some more Bible verses for you
Matthew 21
28 "But what do you think? A man had two sons, and he came to the first and said, 'Son, go work today in the vineyard.'
29 "And he answered and said, 'I will, sir'; and he did not go.
30 "And he came to the second and said the same thing. But he answered and said, 'I will not'; yet he afterward regretted it and went.
31 "Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said^, "The latter." Jesus said^ to them, "Truly I say to you that the tax-gatherers and harlots will get into the kingdom of God before you.---NASB

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News Item11/16/10 1:45 PM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
Neil wrote:
Alas, poor Uruguay just isn't very memorable.
A safe haven - including for British hospital ships in the Falklands War which is well remembered.

Compassion doubly appreciated given their longstanding historic support for the Argentinian claim to the islands.

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News Item11/16/10 10:44 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I sympathize - Argentina also sounded plausible to me until I looked up the history.

Alas, poor Uruguay just isn't very memorable.

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News Item11/15/10 9:57 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Neil wrote:
SJ John, Uruguay was where the Graf Spee was damaged & scuttled. At least some of its surviving crew was interned IAW international law; the captain committed suicide. Only recently have serious attempts been made to salvage the wreck.
Oh, you're right. They got close to Buenos Aires but never made it. My mistake.
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News Item11/15/10 3:17 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
SJ John, Uruguay was where the Graf Spee was damaged & scuttled. At least some of its surviving crew was interned IAW international law; the captain committed suicide. Only recently have serious attempts been made to salvage the wreck.
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News Item11/15/10 3:00 PM
Forends  Find all comments by Forends
San Jose John wrote:
A) We in the USA definitely wanted their (German) technical people, Nazi or otherwise, as well as their advanced equipment. So did the Russians.

B) Earlier in the war (1939?) several hundred German sailors entered Argentina just before destroying their battleship to avoid having it captured by the British early in WWII (1939).
Not sure if they were repatriated to Germany or just stayed there. Either way, German connections with that country, Argentina, were arguably much stronger than with the US, and pre-date WWII.

A) Yep! Got to admit they were good engineers.

B) The "Admiral Graf Spee." German Cruiser.
The Battle of the River Plate ensued, during which the Graf Spee was damaged. She docked for repairs in the neutral port of Montevideo, but was forced by international law to leave within 72 hours. Faced with what he believed to be overwhelming odds, the captain scuttled his ship rather than risk the lives of his crew."

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News Item11/15/10 2:52 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
So by your reasoning, Jim, an incident of failure in Methodist church discipline trumps Biblical teaching.

"why didn't you leave the church you didn't approve of?"

I won't tell you, since the question is irrelevant (cf. Tu Quoque fallacy). You ought to be able to infer my answer anyway.

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News Item11/15/10 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Neil, I saw a public rebuke of Church leaders at annual Nebraska Methodist Church Conference, did it do any good? No. I sent a letter of resignation to the minister of my Methodist Church, and everyone knew I was leaving the Methodist Church, but I did it without rancor. public rebuke would not do much good their when the congregation is erring also, Did John have much success with what I would consider perhaps the first pope of the erring church,

1 John 3
9 I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say.
10 For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, neither does he himself receive the brethren, and he forbids those who desire to do so, and puts them out of the church.
11 Beloved, do not imitate what is evil, but what is good. The one who does good is of God; the one who does evil has not seen God.---NASB

No, I didn't say I approved, all I can say it happened what the U.S. government did. So, why didn't you leave the church you didn't approve of? Apparently you did what I said, but didn't go the extra step and leave.

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News Item11/15/10 2:13 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
A sore spot with me, Jim?

"you ask the leaders why this or that is happening, if they don't change it, then you quietly leave. Nothing is gained by shouting in the church."

This is the humanistic procedure, as opposed to the Biblical procedure which is outlined in 1 Tim. 5:19-20, in which unrepentantly erring church leaders are to be *publicly* rebuked. This is exactly what happened to Peter, Gal. 2:14. Public sins warrant public discipline.

And once again I get a false-dilemma strawman from you: who said that shouting in church is due process?

A little strange for a Zionist to approve of wrist-slapping for Nazis. And what does theocracy have to do with all of this?

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News Item11/15/10 2:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No, Neil, you don't stir things up in a church, you ask the leaders why this or that is happening, if they don't change it, then you quietly leave. Nothing is gained by shouting in the church.

As San Jose John, pointed out Von Braun and the other rocket scientists knew of what the Nazis were doing, and Von Braun was said to even see what he could do to make the slave labor force more efficient in furthering
the German rocket program. It was a pragmatic decision by the American government to overlook Von Braun's role in co-operating with the Nazis. Our government never was a theocracy, and most theocracies like the ones in the Old Testament, didn't function very well in that way either.

By the way Jews in the German Navy and those with Jewish relatives were generally ignored by the Nazis, interesting also.

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News Item11/15/10 12:47 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I charitably imagine that von Braun, like many "good" Germans, knew what was going on but was too fearful to reflect or act on that knowledge.

But let us not think it so strange; I've seen (& been party to) the same thing in matters of church conduct. Look the other way, don't stir up trouble with leadership.

BTW, I just saw a bio on Hitler which mentioned that he was once infatuated with an obviously Jewish girl, that he was recommended for a medal by his Jewish CO during WW1, and was at one time a member of a German Communist faction.

People are often not so simple as their biographies suggest.

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News Item11/15/10 12:01 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Neil wrote:
Yes, that was Operation Paperclip.
Thank you.

All I could remember was Operation Lusty, and Operation Backfire, which focused more on procuring captured German equipment rather than personel. I'd forgotten about the Paperclip Operation.

The History Channel had an interesting show about Werner Von Braun and Walter Dornberger and their contribution to the Allies following WWII despite some controversy of their having employed and/or overseen the use of slave-labor in their own rocket assembly plants near the end of WWII.

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News Item11/15/10 11:44 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Yes, that was Operation Paperclip. The unwillingness by Eisenhower to use von Braun's rocket for our first satellite may have been due to qualms about it being a largely German design. Thus, the Russians got into orbit first despite Redstone & JPL having a vehicle ready to go about a year earlier.

Now the Russkies already had talented rocket engineers like Korolev; I've heard their Germans were of only marginal value & were eventually repatriated. It is hard for Westerners to accept that Russia, despite Czarism & Communism, is blessed with much native technical talent.

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News Item11/15/10 11:28 AM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
I'm not at all suprised.

We in the USA definitely wanted their (German) technical people, Nazi or otherwise, as well as their advanced equipment. So did the Russians.

"Cold War priorities", as Neil explains in his post.

At the end of WWII Russia and the US were like opponents in a dodgeball match, with newly conquered German resources as "the ball". First player to run up and grab the ball could imediately try to strike the opposing player with the ball and knock him out of the game.

Earlier in the war (1939?) several hundred German sailors entered Argentina just before destroying their battleship to avoid having it captured by the British early in WWII (1939).

Not sure if they were repatriated to Germany or just stayed there. Either way, German connections with that country, Argentina, were arguably much stronger than with the US, and pre-date WWII.

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News Item11/15/10 11:26 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Probably the worst example of U.S. "kid-glove" handling of Nazis was the case of Alfried Krupp, whose treatment of forced labor was so bad that even the Nazi gov't rebuked him. John McCloy, one of the classic Washington "insiders" of the era who would fascinate conspiracy theorists, got Krupp's war crime sentence commuted to 3 yrs instead of 12, & reversed Krupp's property forfeiture.

It's hard to find anything very commendable in McCloy's career, who was lauded as one of the "Wise Men" of the time.

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News Item11/15/10 6:38 AM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Protected NameFind all comments by Scott McMahan
Mengele never came to America. He lived in South America. There must be more to this report than the sensational headline. 600 pages is tl;dr territory but these reports don't seem to be doing a good job summarizing the report.
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