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Choice News MONDAY, OCT 25, 2010  |  13 comments
Bees can solve complex mathematical problems which keep computers busy for days, research has shown

The insects learn to fly the shortest route between flowers discovered in random order, effectively solving the "travelling salesman problem" , said scientists at Royal Holloway, University of London.

The conundrum involves finding the shortest route that allows a travelling salesman to call at all the locations he has to visit. Computers solve the problem by comparing the length of all possible routes and choosing the one that is shortest.

Bees manage to reach the same solution using a brain the size of a grass seed.

Dr Nigel Raine, from Royal Holloway's school of biological sciences, said: "Foraging bees solve travelling salesman problems every day. They visit flowers at multiple locations and, because bees use lots of energy to fly, they find a route which keeps flying to a minimum." ...


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News Item10/28/10 2:05 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Otherwise known as Saps for short, , Neil!

Also interesting, a living brain is not a pure digital computer either, they way it is arranged (by God) I would think it would have an analog component to it as well.

People wonder at what God can do. They are here by God's good grace, to exist and wonder at all.

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News Item10/28/10 11:57 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"Despite their tiny brains bees are capable of extraordinary feats of behaviour."

And I see amazing stupidity from the large-brained species ironically labeled "homo sapiens."

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News Item10/28/10 8:01 AM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Find all comments by Scott McMahan
To follow up, the bees do not appear to be solving the true traveling salesman problem. I have not seen an analysis of this article yet, but the first reaction is that the bees are merely acting optimally and not truly visiting each flower once.
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News Item10/27/10 9:11 PM
jj3  Find all comments by jj3
Thanks for posting this SA.

Praise the Lord God!

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News Item10/26/10 12:31 PM
Barry from KY. | Northern KY.  Find all comments by Barry from KY.
I just thought that bees were good a spelling!!!
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News Item10/26/10 11:23 AM
Jessica Dawson | Canada  Find all comments by Jessica Dawson
The article reads:

"Bees manage to reach the same solution using a brain the size of a grass seed."

My thoughts:

With technology computers are getting smaller and faster. God has all wisdom and knowledge, He is capable of making complex creations and very small at that.
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The article reads:

"Despite their tiny brains bees are capable of extraordinary feats of behaviour," said Raine.

My thoughts:

We as humans are capable of very inept behaviour, even though we have larger brains than a bee.

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The article reads:

"We need to understand how they can solve the travelling salesman problem without a computer."

My thoughts:

Bees don't need to use a computer, they are designed by God to have the extraordinary skills they have.

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News Item10/26/10 11:06 AM
buzz  Find all comments by buzz
Prosopopeia?
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News Item10/26/10 10:52 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"Using computer-controlled artificial flowers to test bee behaviour, his wanted to know whether the insects would follow a simple route defined by the order in which they found the flowers, or look for the shortest route.

"After exploring the location of the flowers, the bees quickly learned to fly the best route for saving time and energy."

Upon discovering the flowers were not real, no doubt they indeed commenced to find the best route to the real ones.

Question- Do bees "solve complex mathematical problems," or do they do what they were designed and programmed to do?

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News Item10/26/10 7:57 AM
Dauber  Find all comments by Dauber
I know many a W.A.S.P. that can do that and more.
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News Item10/25/10 11:27 PM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
Bees may not be proven yet to solve mathemetical problems, but it must have been proven that they can spell because they are in all the grammar schools!
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News Item10/25/10 10:08 PM
R .Gr | australia  Find all comments by R .Gr
Jordan wrote:
If you're talking about what I think you are, it was a solution that claimed that P and NP were disjoint (ie they ahd nothing in common). But yeah, that one didn't last long.
well put Jordan. (think) how would they actually know? There mustn,t be too much news around.
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News Item10/25/10 8:25 PM
Jordan | USA  Find all comments by Jordan
Scott McMahan wrote:
I am extremely skeptical of any claim like this until it has been completely reviewed by experts in math and computer science. Wait until this paper is actually published (not some liberal arts journalist's summary) and see what experts say. There was a similar problem recently that someone had claimed to solve (the P=NP problem) and the proof did not survive scrutiny.
If you're talking about what I think you are, it was a solution that claimed that P and NP were disjoint (ie they ahd nothing in common). But yeah, that one didn't last long.
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News Item10/25/10 12:03 PM
Scott McMahan | Internet  Find all comments by Scott McMahan
I am extremely skeptical of any claim like this until it has been completely reviewed by experts in math and computer science. Wait until this paper is actually published (not some liberal arts journalist's summary) and see what experts say. There was a similar problem recently that someone had claimed to solve (the P=NP problem) and the proof did not survive scrutiny.
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