A sign posted on the grounds of the Dove World Outreach Center.
A 50-member church in Gainesville, Florida is suddenly front and center in the war on terror. The pastorâ€™s plan to burn copies of the Koran on the anniversary of 9-11 has stirred intense reaction. Today in Kabul hundreds gathered to protest. Getting a jump on things they burned an effigy of the Pastor Terry Jones.
And now Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in the Afghanistan, is saying that the churchâ€™s plan could endanger the lives of American troops in the region. He told the Wall Street Journal:
â€śIt is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here, but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.â€ť...
Then it's "You must all become Muslims!" "Or we will kill you!!" Get the idea?
You are just going to have to take this as a warning to get serious with your prayers John.
Psalm 59:1 Deliver me from mine enemies, O my God: defend me from them that rise up against me. 2 Deliver me from the workers of iniquity, and save me from bloody men. 3 For, lo, they lie in wait for my soul: the mighty are gathered against me; not for my transgression, nor for my sin, O LORD. 4 They run and prepare themselves without my fault: awake to help me, and behold." 10 The God of my mercy shall prevent me: God shall let me see my desire upon mine enemies. 11 Slay them not, lest my people forget: scatter them by thy power; and bring them down, O Lord our shield."
Psalm 60:10 Wilt not thou, O God, which hadst cast us off? and thou, O God, which didst not go out with our armies? 11 Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man. 12 Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies."
Apparently, the pastor, Terry Jones, is doing this so as to draw out "the true face of Islam". In this, he is to be applauded, and I hope he succeeds. For too long, supposed churches have pussy footed around the Islam issue and, out of fear of reprisals, have stopped their own mouths and refused to warn their flocks about how utterly evil is the Islam religion. We have young people in the UK who are TOTALLY unaware of the dictatorial plans of Islam for this world, and so they speak in glowing terms of the religion. Ha! And I cannot blame them. It is only we believers who truly understand the issue, having spiritual enlightenment. And it is up to us to warn others. Let persecution roll on! What sort of Christianity is it that is never peresecuted?? I tell you, a false Christianity. We should reread the persecution of the first churches and wonder why we can hold our services and barbecues and Sunday School picnics without a squeak from the world!!
Evil needs to be exposed as evil, corrupt governments need to be exposed, and if the media is avoiding the true evangelicals and getting their scoops from the nominals, maybe it is time to learn from the extremists in our midst like Westborough and now this church in Florida.
Doesn't this story have a chilling similarity to Nero burning Rome and then blaming the Christians? Here's this man who runs around calling himself a Christian, a follower of Jesus, disregarding Christ's commandments, disregarding the warnings of the military, FBI and others and then when it is all said and done, who will be blamed for this atrocity? Not Pastor Terry Jones, not his church but Christianity.
rhymnrzn2zion wrote: Proverbs 18:19 "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle." Acts 19:37 "For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess." Why has the former Green Beret but now professed pastor and brother in Christ singled out this book for exploitative burning? Seeing it is not the case that he is repenting Islam, and so burning the book to rid himself of any reference and cause of doubt of those his former ways. My priorities in Christ Jesus have me leaving off such simplistic exploits, as I by all means let them do what they will: for God will require all to answer for all things in judgment.
If I had one of these books I'd burn it...not publically but privately at my home with my family. I'd ask myself and my family: "Are there other things in our lives that are false that we are accepting?" This mindset is what is so hypocritical about this "news story". The media plays this story while down playing others. Our military burns bibles, We kill our children thru abortion...Do we react with the same passion as we do over this issue?
Proverbs 18:19 "A brother offended is harder to be won than a strong city: and their contentions are like the bars of a castle."
Acts 19:37 "For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess."
Why has the former Green Beret but now professed pastor and brother in Christ singled out this book for exploitative burning? Seeing it is not the case that he is repenting Islam, and so burning the book to rid himself of any reference and cause of doubt of those his former ways. My priorities in Christ Jesus have me leaving off such simplistic exploits, as I by all means let them do what they will: for God will require all to answer for all things in judgment.
I don't reckon the President and Company realise how big hypocrites they are in condemning this little action which harms no-one. If it had been khamikazi islamic bombers from Afghanistan which flew into the New York buildings and wasted them, killing thousands of lives, you know what would have happened? I can just picture the President saying: "THEY HAVE SOWN THE WIND, THEY SHALL REAP THE WHIRLWIND!!" And Afghanistan would have got blown to pieces.
Remember Pearl Harbour? Remember Hiroshimer?
Ah, but this is Satan's last fling, his muslim warriours are getting ready for battle. These so-called "affronts" like Salman Rushdie, Mohammed cartoons, and now Q'uran burning, are not affronts at all. It is all an excuse, so they can appear to the world to have a just cause. But their cause is not just, it is SATANIC, and we are in the midst of a big battle. I sure hope this pastor goes right ahead on Saturday. He and his congregation are willing to die, and if every single church in America were to do the same, the satanic muslims would think twice about trying to force the States into submission.
kenu wrote: ... "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified."
If only what Paul says here summs up all that I am. If only glorying in Jesus and Him alone is all there is to me.
kenu wrote: .. But we preach Christ crucified... "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." ... let us keep our eyes & attention fixed upon Jesus Christ, & Him alone. & we exalt Him through the testimonies of our lives centered upon Him, not by wasting time making other religions look relatively ugly. We need only show His beauty. Yes, we must take a stand against injustice, but in the fullness of time He will deal with all that does not glorify Him.
Well put. It's Christ first, and as John from UK pointed out from Rev: 2:6, we still hate evil. God is neither so loving that he winks at evil, nor is He so week that he relies on our humanistic hatred to give Him victory.
Bob wrote: We can debate if this church is right or wrong but the fact remains that one little church in Florida has the whole world in a tizzy because they are not afraid to back down in what they believe in...hmm!
Yeah, but so did the radical Islamists who beheaded Americans and recorded the gory event so that the whole world could watch! So what?! Should Christians imitate these barbarians too?
After the Lord opened my eyes , I threw my own psychology texts, unchaste novels , Harry Potter , Darwin and astrology books in the fire.. does that mean that people who revere these evil books have the right to kill american soldiers? Of course not.
People who enjoy beheading people will behead people no matter if I practice my Christian faith and throw my worthless literature into the fire or not.
What is at stake here are the distinctly protestant freedoms.
Freedom of religion, freedom of expression, private property rights without fear of reprisal for the practice of our Christian faith.
The pastor in Gainesville is clearly an apostate.. as he has a woman preacher .. but if even the Antichrist Pope decided to burn his own books with his own money, every single Christian should support his right to burn his own material.
This pastor is making many headlines for himself. I will agree with that. There is not much good I have to say about this book burner. Apparently he uses this Bible verse:
Acts 19 19 And many of those who practiced magic brought their books together and began burning them in the sight of all; and they counted up the price of them and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.---NASB
You will notice these were books that had been owned and used formerly by the new Christians. They didn't go out and buy them just to burn. So, if this pastor had several Muhammadan converts in his congregation (of 50). then he would have had a good example for burning The Qur'an. One could even encourage ex-Muhammadans to do this. But, this publicity stunt makes Christians look like Muslims, this pastor should be loudly condemned.
We can debate if this church is right or wrong but the fact remains that one little church in Florida has the whole world in a tizzy because they are not afraid to back down in what they believe in...hmm!
By an encouraging mention that is made of what was yet good among them: This thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate, Rev 2:6. â€śThough thou hast declined in thy love to what is good, yet thou retainest thy hatred to what is evil, especially to what is grossly so.â€ť The Nicolaitans were a loose sect who sheltered themselves under the name of Christianity. They held hateful doctrines, and they were guilty of hateful deeds, hateful to Christ and to all true Christians; and it is mentioned to the praise of the church of Ephesus that they had a just zeal and abhorrence of those wicked doctrines and practices. An indifference of spirit between truth and error, good and evil, may be called charity and meekness, but it is not pleasing to Christ. Our Saviour subjoins this kind commendation to his severe threatening, to make the advice more effectual. Henry
There is but 1 main order of business for any minister of the Gospel, be he layman or clergyman: in the words of the apostle Paul, But we preach Christ crucified.../For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. Let us not follow the bad & poor examples of mudslinging politicians & competition-denouncing corporate marketing specialists: let us keep our eyes & attention fixed upon Jesus Christ, & Him alone. & we exalt Him through the testimonies of our lives centered upon Him, not by wasting time making other religions look relatively ugly. We need only show His beauty. Yes, we must take a stand against injustice, but in the fullness of time He will deal with all that does not glorify Him. We are in the last days; why should we be surprised by the amount of apostasies, deceptions & heresies out there (many of which are within Christendom itself)? Jesus Himself prophesied it. Reread Matthew 24.