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People of every race and color in red, white and blue T-shirts gathered in the nation's capital today for Glenn Beck's Restoring Honor rally only to receive a heavy dose, not of the radio host, but of Jesus Christ.
Anita Crane reported from the ground for WND: "The crowds are enthusiastic and orderly as far the eye can see, waving flags, wearing on their shirts the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and 'God Bless America.'"
Instead of a political rally, playing on patriotism to push for votes in the fall, Beck gave today's Restoring Honor gathering a heavily spiritual theme. He challenged the crowds to make the message of resorting honor personal, by living out the key virtues of 1 Corinthians 13: faith, hope and charity....
no where man wrote: What do they think of you John? "• On transubstantiation: “If any one denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema.” • On the Mass: “If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the Mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.” More significantly, Roman Catholic Church has never lifted the anathemas of Council of Trent. The Vatican may tend to refer to Protestants as “separated brethren” rather than “heretics.” But Protestantism remains condemned"
Well since I have not made my Priest or Archbishop cognizant that I do not subscribe to all Catholic teachings then I am not considered anathema by the Catholic Church. It is none of their business what my beliefs are.
Praxis wrote: A) Ah Jim you seem to be in conflict with the teaching of Scripture there! Matt 7:21-23 The people Jesus rejects - I see them as non-believers! Even if they have convinced themselves otherwise. As with Peter's statement in 2Peter 2:1,2 False prophets and their followers; also I see them as non-believers. Whereas a believer can receive and believe the truth only by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. B) As for this Rapture junk Nuh thats a load of baloney started by Miss MacDonald, Darby and Co of the Dispy premill brand, which I just don't buy! I am an amillennialist like the Reformers!
THAT"S the reason I wanted Jim to answer for himself. Once he starts explaining,his doctrinal errors immediately come to light.But as long as others want to answer for him, his errors just keep on spreading.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well since there are scriptural aspects to Catholicism then the Catholic Church is not entirely False
What do they think of you John?
"• On transubstantiation: “If any one denieth, that, in the sacrament of the most holy Eucharist, are contained truly, really, and substantially, the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ; but saith that He is only therein as in a sign, or in figure, or virtue; let him be anathema.”
• On the Mass: “If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the Mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.”
More significantly, Roman Catholic Church has never lifted the anathemas of Council of Trent. The Vatican may tend to refer to Protestants as “separated brethren” rather than “heretics.” But Protestantism remains condemned"
Randolph wrote: Good. Then you can stay here. BTW not all the reformers were A' Mill. Likewise you woudln't want to believe everything every reformer taught.
Why thankyou Randolph.
Can I direct you to this little article please.
"Most American Evangelicals are firmly committed to the idea that an earthly millennial age will begin immediately after our Lord Jesus Christ's Second Advent. Since premillennialism is so dominant in American church circles, many who encounter historic Protestantism for the first time are quite surprised when they discover that all of the Protestant Reformers and the entire Reformed and Lutheran traditions are amillennial." Kim Riddlebarger.
Jim Lincoln wrote: A) There is really no such thing as a church that contains believers and unbelievers, the church consists only of believers
B) Believers before the Tribulation will be raptured, ......
Those who become believers during the Tribulation will not be a part of Whore of Babylon
A) Ah Jim you seem to be in conflict with the teaching of Scripture there! Matt 7:21-23 The people Jesus rejects - I see them as non-believers! Even if they have convinced themselves otherwise. As with Peter's statement in 2Peter 2:1,2 False prophets and their followers; also I see them as non-believers. Whereas a believer can receive and believe the truth only by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
B) As for this Rapture junk Nuh thats a load of baloney started by Miss MacDonald, Darby and Co of the Dispy premill brand, which I just don't buy! I am an amillennialist like the Reformers!
Praxis, I will agree with you that the denominations have a much harder time of it than independent churches, when an independent church goes bad, it is only that church, when it a denomination goes bad then it is many churches. There is really no such thing as a church that contains believers and unbelievers, the church consists only of believers, q.v., The Anabaptist Story.
Those who become believers during the Tribulation will not be a part of Whore of Babylon, if not martyred they will be outside of it, e.g., The Dragon Persecutes the Woman
Please Explain wrote: Jim, Then please tell me what this verse means to you.If God's people aren't in these churches,then who is this voice speaking to?
He just did below.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Revelation 18:4 speaks of the apostate church, which includes a lot more than Catholicism, it includes Anglicanism, the Orthodox Church, and many "Protestant churches" as well. This apostate church will no doubt include a reworked Hinduism and Islam as well.
Viz. "ALL" *visible* churches on earth which as everybody knows are full of unsaved people as well as saved.
So the elect (effectually called) should not follow organised religions.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Revelation 18:4 speaks of the apostate church, which includes a lot more than Catholicism, it includes Anglicanism, the Orthodox Church, and many "Protestant churches" as well. This apostate church will no doubt include a reworked Hinduism and Islam as well. No, John, if a church is wrong in the essentials then it is --entirely-- wrong there is no mixture of right and wrong in a Christian organization, when there is, it is not Christian, URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm>Come out of the Catholic Church.
Jim, Then please tell me what this verse means to you.If God's people aren't in these churches,then who is this voice speaking to?
Revelation 18:4 speaks of the apostate church, which includes a lot more than Catholicism, it includes Anglicanism, the Orthodox Church, and many "Protestant churches" as well. This apostate church will no doubt include a reworked Hinduism and Islam as well.
No, John, if a church is wrong in the essentials then it is --entirely-- wrong there is no mixture of right and wrong in a Christian organization, when there is, it is not Christian, URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/roman-catholicism/RC0200W2.htm>Come out of the Catholic Church.
John Yurich USA wrote: Well since there are scriptural aspects to Catholicism then the Catholic Church is not entirely False
John Yurich Richard Bennet who was a priest in the Roman Catholic church for many years, points out that the Pope is the antichrist, and that Rome teaches salvation by self effort to their congregations. How can you call yourself Christian and continue to support such blatant heresy, lies and the antichrist?
savedbygrace wrote: John, you are forgetting a major point of discipleship and of following Christ. Once a man is born-again from above, he is directly commanded to not forsake the assembling together of other "born-again Christians". This surely is not referring to a person who refuses to leave a false church and assume that a few others who profess Christ are also in this false church and then this person somehow would consider himself justified in his refusal to attend a true church.
Well since there are scriptural aspects to Catholicism then the Catholic Church is not entirely False. And a True Church is a church that acknowledges the Deity of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. And since the Catholic Church has always acknowledged the Deity Of Jesus and the Holy Trinity then the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Churches and Mainline Protestant Churches are just as much True Churches as are Fundamentalist Protestant Churches. As important as church attendance is, it is not required for salvation. The only requirement that Jesus gave for salvation is that one becomes Born Again by receiving Jesus as ones Personal Savior. So if someone who is Born Again does not leave the RCC,EO and Mainline Protestant they will still gain entrance into Heaven.
CV wrote: Ok, at least you concede that God rejects Roman Catholicism -- if God is calling you out of there. No need to explain, Please Explain?
I don't know why you find it necessary to come to Jim's aid. Are you his guardian angel or what? I'm concerned with HIS opinion not his self appointed defender's. One final note to you my Aussie friend,when I want your opinion, I'll ask YOU,not JIM.
John, you are forgetting a major point of discipleship and of following Christ. Once a man is born-again from above, he is directly commanded to not forsake the assembling together of other "born-again Christians". This surely is not referring to a person who refuses to leave a false church and assume that a few others who profess Christ are also in this false church and then this person somehow would consider himself justified in his refusal to attend a true church.
Well no, I am not in agreement with you on the first part -- that Rev 18:4 is THE RC Church exclusively. But let's go along with your construct of this verse. What you're leading to is that if God's calling Christians out of RC'ism, then that PROVES that Roman Catholics must be Christians. You've still shoot yourself in the foot because you have to concede that God rejects Roman Catholicism -- if God is calling you out of there. Why play stupid games with God??
R U JIM? Then who cares,wasn't replying to your post anyway. Why don't you let JIM speak for JIM?
Please Explain wrote: I understand Revelation 18:4 to be speaking of the catholic church.
You mean the ROMAN Catholic Church
Please Explain wrote: If you're in agreement,then why would there be a voice from heaven,calling God's people "out of her", if his people aren't "in her"?
Well no, I am not in agreement with you on the first part -- that Rev 18:4 is THE RC Church exclusively. But let's go along with your construct of this verse. What you're leading to is that if God's calling Christians out of RC'ism, then that PROVES that Roman Catholics must be Christians.
You've still shoot yourself in the foot because you have to concede that God rejects Roman Catholicism -- if God is calling you out of there.
Jim Lincoln wrote: So, Please Explain, please explain your question.
Well Jim I thought it was a fairly straight forward question. Maybe we should make sure we're on the same page.I understand Revelation 18:4 to be speaking of the catholic church. If you're in agreement,then why would there be a voice from heaven,calling God's people "out of her", if his people aren't "in her"?
John Yurich USA wrote: There you go again being arrogant by stating that categorically that you know.....
John Yurich, Excuse me but Jesus Christ, you know the One you claim to have as your Savior tells us that you shall know them by their fruits. Which is just the point believers by the very nature of their relationship with Christ in being saved from their sins will bear the fruit of obedience
While those who haven't been saved from their sin, those who are still dead in trespasses and sin, those who call Jesus Christ, 'Lord, Lord' but do not obey Him will bear the fruit of disobedience, no matter how loudly they protest.
Jim Lincoln wrote: Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are all anti-Christian organizations, by being in one you are not a Christian, because your membership declares you're against Christ, no matter what else you might say, John Y. So no, you don't have Christ in your heart, because you have anti-Christian actions.
There you go again being arrogant by stating that categorically that you know for certain what my relationship is to Jesus especially when you do not have the ability like Jesus to see into my heart or anybody else's heart to tell what my relationship and other's relationship is to Jesus. Just because someone who has received Jesus as their Personal Savior does not leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and does not unite with a Fundamentalist Protestant Church does not mean that they are not really saved. If they fulfilled the only requirement that Jesus gave for salvation by becoming Born Again then they are saved irrespective if they do not belong to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church. Nowhere in the Bible does it state that Jesus requires for salvation church membership in addition to becoming Born Again.
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Nuh thats a load of baloney started by Miss MacDonald, Darby and Co of the Dispy premill brand, which I just don't buy! 
There is really no such thing as a church that contains believers and unbelievers, the church consists only of believers, q.v., 
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