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FRONT PAGE  |  8/22/2014
FRIDAY, AUG 13, 2010  |  18 comments
Martin Luther has Wittenberg in a stir 500 years on
About 800 colourful statuettes of 16th-century Protestant reformer Martin Luther are popping up in the eastern German town of Wittenberg, where Luther first railed against some practices of the Roman Catholic church almost 500 years ago.

The one-metre high plastic figurines in red, green, blue and black are the creation of the artist Ottmar Hoerl and are intended to replace a statue of Martin Luther on the town square while it is being renovated.


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, the problems you have with Dispensationalism. I would suggest that you listen to (Gil's sermon here on SermonAudio, Dispensations, not really that long, nor is Dr. Ice's written article, A Short History Of Dispensationalism.

Dispensationalists have been too sweet and lovable! we do put with the Covanental nonsense as described in the excellent article, e.g.,

Dr. Chafer wrote:
...A theology which penetrates no further into Scripture than to discover that in all ages God is immutable in His grace toward penitent sinners, and constructs the idea of a universal Church (continuing through the ages), and the one truth of immutable grace, is not only disregarding vast spheres of revelation but is reaping the unavoidable confusion and misdirection which part-truth engenders.
from, The errors of Covenant Theology describing Catholicized theology. I would also suggest many of you read, What to Look for in a Church written by IHCC's Don Goertzen.
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News Item9/13/10 9:42 PM
Big Bro  Find all comments by Big Bro
It seems some of the Reformation fathers didn't go far enough shedding off Rome, but we can also say today that Christians are taking on theologies that never should be taken on such as Dispensationalism; there is not place for this satanic theology in Christ Church
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News Item9/13/10 3:40 PM
Joe the Protestant | 2525  Find all comments by Joe the Protestant
Swing Lee wrote:
I would have though the Statue of Imitaions would have run out by now.
Very clever comment (name included). It does seem incongruent that someone would make statues of a Reformer.

Have a great day Ulrich

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News Item9/13/10 8:28 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA wrote:
Luther stated in his writings on how he got saved. Luther stated that while he was in Rome climbing those stairs saying his rosary that he came to realise that salvation comes only through receiving Jesus as ones Personal Savior and Luther stated that he then and there received Jesus as his Personal Savior. Well asking Jesus to come into ones heart and cleanse one of all sins and become ones Personal Savior what Baptists and all other Fundamentalist Protestants teach on how to become saved. That is why there are Altar Calls.
So if I get this right, you ask Jesus into your heart, and then something happens spiritually. After all, if Jesus answers that prayer, he is now dwelling within you by his Spirit, and you are dwelling in him. He forgives all sins, justifies you by grace, makes you perfectly righteous in God's sight, and begins the big change of lifestyle.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV

How do you relate this verse of scripture to your own life, John? What has now gone, and what has been introduced?

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News Item9/13/10 7:29 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
John UK wrote:
1. Have you read that somewhere John? Please post it up if you have a website containing those words, as I am very interested. I too have accepted Christ as my Saviour.
1a. Mind you, it is possible to be mistaken in this business of "receiving Christ" as Saviour. Many have repeated a prayer and then been told "You are now born again", as if the recitation of a few words could bring about a new birth. Some of the Orthodox people repeat the "Jesus Prayer" millions of times, but never get their sins forgiven. Be not deceived, John.
2. Jim thinks he is a parrot, which is why he keeps repeating the same old stuff. And there is another on these forums who is also vying for the "Parrot of the Year" Award.
Luther stated in his writings on how he got saved. Luther stated that while he was in Rome climbing those stairs saying his rosary that he came to realise that salvation comes only through receiving Jesus as ones Personal Savior and Luther stated that he then and there received Jesus as his Personal Savior. Well asking Jesus to come into ones heart and cleanse one of all sins and become ones Personal Savior what Baptists and all other Fundamentalist Protestants teach on how to become saved. That is why there are Altar Calls.
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News Item9/13/10 7:19 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
John Yurich USA to Jim Lincoln wrote:
1. Luther stated that he had received Jesus as his Personal Savior.

2. And just who do you think you are anyway.....

1. Have you read that somewhere John? Please post it up if you have a website containing those words, as I am very interested. I too have accepted Christ as my Saviour.

1a. Mind you, it is possible to be mistaken in this business of "receiving Christ" as Saviour. Many have repeated a prayer and then been told "You are now born again", as if the recitation of a few words could bring about a new birth. Some of the Orthodox people repeat the "Jesus Prayer" millions of times, but never get their sins forgiven. Be not deceived, John.

2. Jim thinks he is a parrot, which is why he keeps repeating the same old stuff. And there is another on these forums who is also vying for the "Parrot of the Year" Award.

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News Item9/13/10 6:54 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
It has been pointed out before Luther was anti-Semitic, to be anti-Semitic is to be anti-Christian. John, if you mix what is false with what is true, you will have nothing but a bad anti-Christian result

Now was Luther's heart in the right place? I would hope so. But did the fruit of his practices honor Christ? Now that is debatable.
It is meaningless to say that you have accepted Christ as your personal Savior, if your actions such as belonging to a Satanic church such as the RCC proves that you really haven't been saved.

Luther stated that he had received Jesus as his Personal Savior. So that means that Luther was saved. And just who do you think you are anyway to state that because someone continues to belong to the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches after they have received Jesus as their Personal Savior that they are not really saved? Where does it state in the Bible that one must belong to a Fundamentalist Protestant Church after receiving Jesus as their Personal Savior or else they are not really saved?
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News Item8/22/10 3:40 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It has been pointed out before Luther was anti-Semitic, to be anti-Semitic is to be anti-Christian. John, if you mix what is false with what is true, you will have nothing but a bad anti-Christian result

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, "Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, 'THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS, BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR AWAY FROM ME.
7 'BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.'
8 "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men."---NASB

Now was Luther's heart in the right place? I would hope so. But did the fruit of his practices honor Christ? Now that is debatable.

It is meaningless to say that you have accepted Christ as your personal Savior, if your actions such as belonging to a Satanic church such as the RCC proves that you really haven't been saved. Still haven't read Marks of the True Believer?

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News Item8/22/10 2:05 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Bookmaggot, a former associate pastor at IHCC, who is now pastoring his own church, was also a former Lutheran. He hoped that Luther was saved, but his foul mouth and Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel, made him have his doubts. He hoped Luther was saved and of course so do I. Many of the Reformation leaders didn't slough off all of their Catholicism, with perhaps the exception of the Anabaptists. But, yes, Luther was heading in the right direction, John Y., something we hope to see you do.
Why would anybody have doubts about Luther's salvation when Luther stated that he had received Jesus as his Personal Savior? Just because Luther retained some aspects of Catholicism does not mean that Luther was not saved. And why should the Reformation leaders have sloughed off all of their Catholicism? It was not necessary for them to slough off the scriptural aspects of Catholicism.
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News Item8/15/10 3:17 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Bookmaggot, a former associate pastor at IHCC, who is now pastoring his own church, was also a former Lutheran. He hoped that Luther was saved, but his foul mouth and Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel, made him have his doubts. He hoped Luther was saved and of course so do I. Many of the Reformation leaders didn't slough off all of their Catholicism, with perhaps the exception of the Anabaptists, q.v., The Anabaptist Story.

But, yes, Luther was heading in the right direction, John Y., something we hope to see you do.

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News Item8/15/10 6:33 AM
Bookmaggot  Find all comments by Bookmaggot
John Yurich USA wrote:
Why would anybody doubt that Luther was saved when he stated in his writings that he received Jesus as his Personal Savior while climbing those stairs in Rome saying the Rosary?
Martin Luther's Account of His Own Conversion

by Martin Luther (1483-1546)

John, I suggest you read how Martin Luther actually states he was converted. A completely opposite 'SALVATION' to your own and that of the Papal Cult. Read carefully what Luther actually read...

A book by Martin Luther for John Yurich to read

The remarkable LINKON seems to suggest that Martin Luther was no Christian...

"Many former Lutherans themselves wonder about Martin,"

Same application...

Is Jim an Internet Soldier or a chocolate one?

??????????

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News Item8/14/10 3:44 PM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
John, thank you for the correction, May I point out that you are too old for action figures? No one knows what these so-called saints looked like Mary, didn't look like Marilyn Monroe, for example, and many of these "saints" were as Christian as Charlie Starkweather of Lincoln in the 1950s. May I remind you,
from, A Jealous God
Many former Lutherans themselves wonder about Martin, remember the test for a Christian? The Five Solas...
Speaking of Charles Starkweather. Are you old enough to remember the Starkweather and Fugate case? Why would anybody doubt that Luther was saved when he stated in his writings that he received Jesus as his Personal Savior while climbing those stairs in Rome saying the Rosary? Luther stated that while climbing those stairs in Rome saying the Rosary that he came to realise salvation is by Justification By Faith In Jesus and that he had to receive Jesus as his Personal Savior to become saved.
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News Item8/14/10 2:39 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, thank you for the correction, May I point out that you are too old for action figures? No one knows what these so-called saints looked like Mary, didn't look like Marilyn Monroe, for example, and many of these "saints" were as Christian as Charlie Starkweather of Lincoln in the 1950s. May I remind you,
Charles Spurgeon wrote:
In this country, Popish idolatry is not so barefaced and naked as it is in other lands; but I have seen it, and my soul has been moved with indignation like that of Paul on Mars' Hill, when he saw the city wholly to idolatry; I have seen thousands adore the wafer, hundreds bow before the image of the Virgin, scores at prayer before a crucifix, and companies of men and women adoring a rotten bone or a rusty nail, because said to be the relic of a saint. It is vain for the Romanist to assert that he worships not the things themselves, but only the Lord through them, for this the second commandment expressly forbids, and it is upon this point that the Lord calls himself a jealous God.
from, A Jealous God

Many former Lutherans themselves wonder about Martin, remember the test for a Christian? The Five Solas...

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News Item8/14/10 8:37 AM
Swing Lee  Find all comments by Swing Lee
I would have though the Statue of Imitaions would have run out by now.
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News Item8/14/10 5:14 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, John Y., statuary is adultery, and unfortunately, Luther and perhaps some of the churches that bear his name kept Rome's Perversion of the Ten Commandments. He also had a Romish idea of baptism, Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel.
Oh, wasn't Michael Angelo a homosexual? I would think that would explain some of his "art" work and why the Romish magisterium likes it so well.
I got news for you the real David wore a lot more cloths than that!
I believe you meant statuary is idolatry not adultery. So any kind of statue is idolatry even of presidents of the United States and of Luther? Just owning statues is not idolatry. What constitutes idolatry is bowing down to and praying to statues. But just owning statues is not idolatry. Luther believed in Justification By Faith. Do you believe that Luther was saved? Luther stated himself in his writings that He had received Jesus as his Personal Savior while climbing those stairs in Rome saying the Rosary.
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News Item8/13/10 3:03 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Yes, John Y., statuary is adultery, and unfortunately, Luther and perhaps some of the churches that bear his name kept Rome's Perversion of the Ten Commandments. He also had a Romish idea of baptism, Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel.

Oh, wasn't Michael Angelo a homosexual? I would think that would explain some of his "art" work and why the Romish magisterium likes it so well.

I got news for you the real David wore a lot more cloths than that!

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News Item8/13/10 10:09 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Wayfare wrote:
"About 800 colourful statuettes of 16th-century Protestant reformer Martin Luther are popping up in the eastern German town of Wittenberg"
I think Martin Luther would call this idolatry.
Do you call the statue of David idolatry? And Luther retained the use of statues and Crucifixes in the Lutheran Church. Also some Lutheran Churches have a statue of Luther. Idolatry is when someone bows down to and prays to a statue. But just owning statues is not idolatry.
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News Item8/13/10 8:35 AM
Wayfare  Find all comments by Wayfare
"About 800 colourful statuettes of 16th-century Protestant reformer Martin Luther are popping up in the eastern German town of Wittenberg"

I think Martin Luther would call this idolatry.

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