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Clinton-Mezvinsky wedding reflects mix of religions in USA
Chelsea Clinton, a Methodist, and Marc Mezvinsky, a Conservative Jew, had their very private wedding on Saturday. But the public may not be done peering through the shrubbery at their lives.

Like it or not, the famous bride and groom will continue to be the focus of scrutiny for their religiously mixed marriage — a category that's growing rapidly among U.S. couples.

Two decades ago, 25% of U.S. couples didn't share the same faith. That was up to 31% by 2006-08, according to the General Social Surveyby the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago. The number was even higher, 37%, in the 2008 U.S. Religious Landscape Survey by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life. Both surveys included people who crossed major traditions, such as Jewish-Protestant, believers married to the unaffiliated, and Protestants of different denominations, such as former president Bill Clinton, a ...


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News Item8/6/10 9:55 PM
Bob  Find all comments by Bob
Way off topic #3
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News Item8/6/10 9:00 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
Sure Mike, there is a difficulty if you do not have the greatest respect for the translators of the AV.
I have no doubt but they would have had the same discussions as you and me are having right now. Let us never forget that. I may be a turnip, but these guys were incredible scholars. And thinking like rational Christian men, they too might have thought it somewhat strange.
However, the commandments are far deeper than even we can imagine, as the Lord Jesus showed in his teachings.
Say, whaddayathink bro. You reckon the AV is doctrinally perfect except this one thing?
I find it sad, bro, that regarding 1 Tim 6:10, the prowess of the translators seems to be held above truth itself. You can respect them above all other flesh, and that's fine. But it doesn't change this one thing. The love of money is not the root of all evil. What one decides to do with that is up to him. There is no hidden mystery in the verse, that one need be a scholar to ponder the depth of it. Better to be a turnip than to seek mystery where there is none.
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News Item8/6/10 7:14 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Ah, but John, New translations are needed if for no other reason...
That sort of statement makes me sick.

I'll tell you why there is a need for new translations, Links.

For the two thousand and more languages which still have not one verse of scripture; that they might have the word of life brought to their eyes and minds. That poor lost sinners for whom Christ died might hear of his great love in dying in their place, bearing their guilt, and rising again to be for them a risen Saviour and Lord.

But what do the wealthy in the West do? They turn into terrible filthy lucreists who care nothing about lost sinners. What do they care about? Their own filthy lucre bank account. They are willing to betray a great heritage, and a faith-filled Christianity, and create doubt over God's word, in order to sell more new English versions, each one purporting to be better, more accurate, when the truth is that the Bible as we know it is being systematically demolished.

And unless God's beloved people stand firm and unmoveable, holding to the Received Text and the KJV, the next generations will be weak, feeble and unable to fight in the spiritual battles they must face.

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News Item8/6/10 3:08 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
James May (surely not the Ingleesi?) wrote:

"King James Only literature is notorious for poor research...."

Ahhhhhh....chasing the non-existent Only's again, Jim?

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News Item8/6/10 3:05 PM
True Sword  Find all comments by True Sword
Jim Lincoln wrote:
from, Dr Robert A Joyner.
I believe it is misguided for fundamental Baptists to defend a version of the Bible based on a Greek text, prepared by a liberal Roman Catholic, translated by Episcopalians and authorized by a king who hated Baptists. While they reject translations based on a Greek text approved by all the great scholars and early fundamental leaders and translated by good Bible believing scholars from all groups, including Baptists.... This irony is strange indeed when fundamental Baptists take sides with Episcopalians and Catholics and reject their own.
Jim Linkon;
Thats the 2nd time you've posted this one Jimmy me boyo!

Poor ole Dr Joyner is a lousy historian. As I posted before to you Jim. But I guess you're desperate looking for any academics to support these heretical modern versions - based on such badly translated erroneous texts.

Read this Jim for your own good (and then ditch the NASB)
Bible Doctrines Affected by Modern Versions.

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News Item8/6/10 2:58 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, but John, New translations are needed if for no other reason, Indisputable, universally recognized errors in the KJV.

James May wrote:
King James Only literature is notorious for poor research, unfounded assumptions, dogmatic nonsense, and just plain old foolishness. This lack of factual accuracy is not confined to matters directly related to defending the alleged perfection of the King James Bible, but also extends to side issues as well. Any extensive reading of KJV literature will demonstrate that, as a general rule, such writings are sloppy in regard to grammar, punctuation, spelling, the reproduction of quotations, logic, and the presentation of supposed facts in the defense of the false position. Unfortunately this has not diminished their influence among large groups of conservative Christians. It may be hoped, however, that the continual exposure of undeniable, factual errors in King James Only literature will, over time, take its toll and enlighten the minds of those at least who have open hearts and are willing to hear the truth.
from, More KJV Only Foolishness
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News Item8/6/10 2:47 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim, you reckon Robert Joyner said:
"They reveal their bias by refusing to translate words like “baptism” and “deacon,” because if they did, it would contradict the practice of their church."

Ah.......ya little dipper.

Obviously you've never read "William the Baptist".

As for Doug.......I know a lot of people who act like monkeys. What sort of translation does he recommend for such?

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News Item8/6/10 2:34 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
One should point out that the translators were paid off handsomely with good jobs for their work, q.v., Authorized King James Version, The AV definitely was the RSV of the 17th Century since it was slanted by the writers, The Influence of An Anglican Archbishop on the KJV. These men were Anglicans, not Christian. but it still doesn't get us pass some other points,
Doug Kutilek wrote:
The churning, muddied waters of the present English Bible translation dispute have sadly obscured the obvious and most basic truth of the whole matter. That basic and obvious truth which cries out to be repeated is this--The whole PURPOSE for having a Bible translation--the very reason for its existence--is to convey in words which people DO understand the meaning of words (in the Greek and Hebrew originals) which people DO NOT understand.
from, Restating the Obvious about Bible Translations
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News Item8/6/10 2:17 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Except for that love of money being "the root of all evil" thing. Since money isn't THE root of ALL evil, what should we conclude?
Consider if it were true, one Commandment would have been sufficient, not ten, for if it be true, all sins are merely results of loving money. Worshipping other gods? Love of money. Not honoring mother and father? Love of money. Adultery? Love of money. Telling lies? Love of money. How many others do not necessarily have anything to do with love of money, bro?
Now if we can agree money is money, as in silver, etc., and not something other than money, do you not see a difficulty here?
Sure Mike, there is a difficulty if you do not have the greatest respect for the translators of the AV.

I have no doubt but they would have had the same discussions as you and me are having right now. Let us never forget that. I may be a turnip, but these guys were incredible scholars. And thinking like rational Christian men, they too might have thought it somewhat strange.

However, the commandments are far deeper than even we can imagine, as the Lord Jesus showed in his teachings.

Say, whaddayathink bro. You reckon the AV is doctrinally perfect except this one thing?

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News Item8/6/10 1:54 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
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p.s. My Bible is free from ANY doctrinal error and can be relied upon to reveal the truth to me at all times.
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Except for that love of money being "the root of all evil" thing. Since money isn't THE root of ALL evil, what should we conclude?

Consider if it were true, one Commandment would have been sufficient, not ten, for if it be true, all sins are merely results of loving money. Worshipping other gods? Love of money. Not honoring mother and father? Love of money. Adultery? Love of money. Telling lies? Love of money. How many others do not necessarily have anything to do with love of money, bro?

Now if we can agree money is money, as in silver, etc., and not something other than money, do you not see a difficulty here?

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News Item8/6/10 1:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John UK
Dr. Robert A. Joyner wrote:
The KJV was translated by the Church of England... They reveal their bias by refusing to translate words like “baptism” and “deacon,” because if they did, it would contradict the practice of their church. The KJV originally contained the Apocrypha, 14 books and 172 chapters of uninspired writings from the Catholic Bible. Also, it contained a list of holy days, including one for the “blessed Virgin.” There was not a big variety of denominations on the KJV translation committee. There was not one Baptist. King James hated Baptists. He said he wanted to “harrow out of England” all Baptists....

I believe it is misguided for fundamental Baptists to defend a version of the Bible based on a Greek text, prepared by a liberal Roman Catholic, translated by Episcopalians and authorized by a king who hated Baptists. While they reject translations based on a Greek text approved by all the great scholars and early fundamental leaders and translated by good Bible believing scholars from all groups, including Baptists.... This irony is strange indeed when fundamental Baptists take sides with Episcopalians and Catholics and reject their own.

from, Which Bible?
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News Item8/5/10 3:40 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
But of course I would want a Bible that had many less errors than the AV, it is only a White racist idea that it is free from error. As Robert Joyner pointed out, "Remember the KJV translators criticized their own version and corrected it in many places. Then they came out with new editions, in 1613 and 1629. Some people accuse me of blasphemy when I point out errors in the KJV. I am doing the same thing the KJV translators did when they corrected their own version.
I'm sorry Jim, but these sort of statements are just red gurnards. You are completely avoiding the issue. And the issue is, what is the point of sola scriptura if your scripture is not guaranteed to be free from any doctrinal error? You might just as well emigrate to Rome if you have such a poor position.

p.s. My Bible is free from ANY doctrinal error and can be relied upon to reveal the truth to me at all times. This is why I hold to sola scriptura. I need nothing else. In this sense I have an inerrant Bible.

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News Item8/5/10 3:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John, UK, and I appologize for using John Y. read the article, it is not as accademic as the The Preservation of Scripture article which is still as good as the day it was written.

But of course I would want a Bible that had many less errors than the AV, it is only a White racist idea that it is free from error. As Robert Joyner pointed out, "Remember the KJV translators criticized their own version and corrected it in many places. Then they came out with new editions, in 1613 and 1629. Some people accuse me of blasphemy when I point out errors in the KJV. I am doing the same thing the KJV translators did when they corrected their own version. Also, people condemn the NASB or the NIV for revising and correcting, just like the KJV translators did." from, Why New Versions Are Needed

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News Item8/5/10 2:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim, you quoted:

"Douglas S. Chinn & Robert C. Newman wrote:
...let us clearly state that we believe in the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, namely: (1) the inerrancy of the Scriptures;"

but what most folks don't realise is that this statement is a subterfuge. How come? Because of the lack of detail.

What do they mean by "Scriptures"?

Ah yes, I get it, they mean the original manuscripts, don't they? And what does that boil down to? It means they DO NOT believe in the inerrancy of the Bible. DO THEY JIM?

Come on man, stop this deviousness and realise what a destructive view you're putting across. Or are you being DELIBERATELY devious and devilish?

BTW Did you ask Kanga that question I put for him to answer?

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News Item8/5/10 2:07 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, John Y., I certainly can! We removed the [A]nglican [V]ersion from our church and that is one good step out of many, and as you'll see from IHCC statement of faith we follow what these fellows do:
Douglas S. Chinn & Robert C. Newman wrote:
...let us clearly state that we believe in the fundamental doctrines of the Christian faith, namely: (1) the inerrancy of the Scriptures; (2) the virgin birth, deity, substitutionary blood atonement, bodily resurrection and future bodily return to earth of the Lord Jesus Christ; (3) deliverance from eternal punishment in hell by trusting only in Jesus' atoning sacrifice on the cross. We also believe in the need for ecclesiastical separation from those who do not affirm the above points....
from, Demystifying The Controversy Over The Textus Receptus And The King James Version Of The Bible

John you might find the article interesting since you have said you tolerate other versions of the Bible.

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News Item8/4/10 5:09 PM
Written in Heaven  Find all comments by Written in Heaven
Remove yourself from the State church and be sure that its wrath will fall upon you.
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News Item8/4/10 5:02 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
The Methodist Chruch doesn't adhere to Sola Scriptura any more than the Anglican or Catholics Church do.
Correct! And you can add your own church to the list!
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News Item8/4/10 2:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John what the Bible teaches is! (why don't you read it, it isn't that long!) "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory" or for that matter neither is the Mike Gendron commentary, Come out of the Catholic Church.

The Methodist Chruch doesn't adhere to Sola Scriptura any more than the Anglican or Catholics Church do.

Remaining in an apostate church means you support it and not Christ. Martyrs have died for removing themselves from apostate churches, nothing that serious happens in this country!

"Action speaks louder than words," as the old saying goes, so show with your feed, John Y., you have rejected the anti-Christian teachings of the Romish Church.

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News Item8/4/10 6:40 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
No arrogance at all, John Y., I was once a Methodist, myself, so I can just use statistics to say then, there is a very great probability that neither Caroline Kennedy and Chelsea Clinton (unmarried names of course) are not Christian. You seem not to have read what is the cutoff point for a person to be a Christian or not --- "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory". They nor the people who married them show they supported that idea, and like Catholics who know the facts about Christianity Come out of the Catholic Church Methodists would also come out that church just like I and embarrassingly put so did millions before me.
You seem to forget that Wesley started the Methodist Church and thus the Methodist Church teaches salvation is by Justification By Faith In Jesus alone. Why do you believe that unless someone who becomes Born Again leaves the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and joins an Evangelical Protestant Church of some type that they will in no way gain entrance into Heaven? Bible does not teach that.
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News Item8/3/10 2:00 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
No arrogance at all, John Y., I was once a Methodist, myself, so I can just use statistics to say then, there is a very great probability that neither Caroline Kennedy and Chelsea Clinton (unmarried names of course) are not Christian. You seem not to have read what is the cutoff point for a person to be a Christian or not --- "Only Scripture," "Only Christ," "Only Grace," "Only Faith," and "To God Alone Be Glory". They nor the people who married them show they supported that idea, and like Catholics who know the facts about Christianity Come out of the Catholic Church Methodists would also come out that church just like I and embarrassingly put so did millions before me.
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