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Despite overzealous news headlines this week, NASA's Kepler spacecraft has not indentified more than 100 Earth-like planets in the galaxy.
The planet-hunting telescope, launched in April 2009, has so far confirmed only five alien planets beyond the solar system, mission scientists told SPACE.com.
The erroneous reports of new planets were generated in response to a recent videotaped speech Kepler co-investigator Dimitar Sasselov gave at a TED (Technology Entertainment and Design) conference in July....
r&r: I wasn't questioning your faith, or even whether there is a god. In fact, my whole point was that this article doesn't diminish science, just journalism. And that looking at the universe and how it works (doing science) in no way requires that one question one's faith.
I'm sorry you never understood the point I was making, and that you felt you had to imply I was a fool before leaving.
Psalm 14.1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
Proverbs 17. 10 "A reproof entereth more into a wise man than an hundred stripes into a fool."
Proverbs 26. 4 "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him."
Ouini, I have to stop this now. I cannot continue on trying to convince you of your errors, because the very Word of God that will judge you one day, commands me to stop, hence the scripture I put above. For the one who denies the existence of God, who refuses to give Him His due, and who refuses to bow the knee, is a fool. One cannot waste precious energy "trying" to reach someone if that someone refuses to be reached. It's fruitless.
revivalandreformation: "You don't seem to see the connection here." True, I don't see a connection between what you keep bringing up (the supernatural) and science. There's no connection.
Again, your claim that all (scientists) have to have chosen the God of the Bible, or else they're striving to prove that God doesn't exist, is a nonsensical assertion -- a False Dichotomy.
Scientists may ask how the universe started, but the moment they wonder to themselves if a supernatural creator was involved, they've ceased doing science. They've entered the realm of philosophy and religion.
As for the watch, the reason people ask "What person made this watch?" is because they're familiar with the fact that intricate shaped metal devices are made by people.
But I, and anyone looking to learn how the universe works, do not necessarily and unavoidably stare up at the sky and ask a similar question. Instead, curiousity drives us to observe what the universe does, and then postulate hypotheses to model and describe the observed behavior, and then test the predictions of those hypothese. This is a fundamental, unavoidable aspect of the scientific method.
You don't seem to see the connection here. To stand in awe or to spend time in trying to find out how a watch was made, mean eventually you will ask, "Who made this watch?" To stare up at the sky with either your eyes, or a telescope, shouldn't the same reaction be true? Yes science is man trying to figure out stuff is made and runs, etc., but it gets to the point where one has to make a decision, either the watch was made by someone, or it just happened over the course of time. This is a fundamental aspect of man. This is unavoidable.
Here's a link to a post I just put out, you might find it either interesting or pure folly, either way please read it and understand, the Bible has a lot more to do with science that you might have thought.
revivalandreformation: Again, it's not about "admitting" or denying powerful beings creating the universe.
I didn't understand your statement that scientists have admitted that they know evolution etc. doesn't fly in the face of criticism. I'll tell you what I know (and it's no secret): the overwhelming consensus of the entirety of the scientific community, is that science has *nothing* to say about whether a supernatural force created the universe.
There's no silent conspiracy of scientists who "know that the universe bears the fingerprints" of a god. The supernatural is completely outside the purview of science.
Many scientists have never even been told about the word of God -- they do science without knowing about your God, or anyone else's. Yet they still do science.
So to claim everyone (scientists) have to have chosen the God of the Bible, or else they've denied the whole ball of wax and are now striving to prove that God doesn't exist (that "there is NO middle ground"), simply shows a profound misconception of what science is.
Again, science is man trying to find out how our universe works. And that's all it is.
How can anyone with any intelligence whatsoever look up into the heavens and not admit that a greater more powerful being created all of that? Scientists have admitted that they know for a fact that evolution, the big bang and the general humanistic approach to science and nature does not fly in the face of criticism. They know, yes know that the universe is too perfectly put together to be done by chance. They know that the universe bears the fingerprints of a being more powerful and more intelligent that they are or ever hope to be. The problem? What's the alternative? You have to either believe in God or deny His existence. If you admit there's a God, then you have to pay attention to His Bible. Then if you do that, you have to also admit to the Jesus whom the Bible speaks of in almost every book. Now you have a problem. You must pay attention to your sin and your need for a Saviour or deny the whole ball of wax. You see, you have no choice. You have to choose one way or the other. There is NO middle ground.
Cezar: Since you replied to me but ignored my point, you agree with the first point I made to you?
But about your new points. Science isn't about: - mankind trying to find a way around creation, - or "wanting" a particular outcome, - or denying what God said, - or making nonsense conclusions like "we must act on our most basic of instincts", - or following or opposing God's plan.
No, science doesn't care one way or another about God's (or Zeus', or Allah's, or Buddha's) plan. Science doesn't discover DNA, but ignore cures to congenital diseases because people insist that God works in mysterious ways.
Science is only about investigating and understanding the physical universe around us. Whatever the evidence points to, that's the conclusion of science. Full stop.
I'm always surprised how people deny the findings of science out of hand, without learning how the data show the findings to be true. Honestly. Some folks just plug their ears and hum.
revivalandreformation: I'd say you got it half right. Science is man's attempt to understand and thus avoid helplessness in the face of our environment. But the Big Bang, Evolution, discovering planets etc. are not to explain away God's existence. They are simply observations from curiousity.
Zrocdromonikas wrote: This story is pure fiction. They have not actually been to any of the planets. I know they have not been to mine, so I came here. My planet is definatly not Earth like. One continent, Organge oceans, Green skies, and Blue trees. But the biggest difference is we still use Logic and Common Sense.
ouini wrote: Cezar: "I'm tired of science falsely so-called making false headlines." Looking into it, this is pretty obviously another case of lazy, and therefore inaccurate, media. Science itself seems to remain increasingly accurate as always. revivalandreformation: "...sad to see the endless striving of man to prove that God doesn't exist. ... How many people spend so much money, time and effort trying to prove the non existence of leprechauns and unicorns? Why? Because we know they don't exist and get on with life." I don't think science, man trying to find out how our universe works, is in any way striving to prove that God doesn't exist.
It is when man's attempts are evidence of attempting to maintain control rather than trusting in God that He knew what He was doing when He created the universe. The Big Bang, Evolution and attempts to find Earth-like planets are not man striving to serve God and give Him glory for His work, but rather to explain away His existence and find an alternative solution to it all.
ouini wrote: I don't think science, man trying to find out how our universe works, is in any way striving to prove that God doesn't exist.
A lot of it is about mankind trying to find any way around creation and God being their creator.
1. They want evolution and not creation. 2. They classify mankind among the beasts of the field instead of a being entirely separated from the animals. God said we are to have dominion over the beasts of the field.
3. They say we are animals so we will act on our most basic of instincts like pleasing the flesh. Whatever the flesh wants we can do and that is opposed to God's plan. 4. They are mixing animal and human DNA. That is opposed to God's plan. 5. God called it science falsely so-called for a good reason.
Cezar: "I'm tired of science falsely so-called making false headlines."
Looking into it, this is pretty obviously another case of lazy, and therefore inaccurate, media. Science itself seems to remain increasingly accurate as always.
revivalandreformation: "...sad to see the endless striving of man to prove that God doesn't exist. ... How many people spend so much money, time and effort trying to prove the non existence of leprechauns and unicorns? Why? Because we know they don't exist and get on with life."
I don't think science, man trying to find out how our universe works, is in any way striving to prove that God doesn't exist.
This story is pure fiction. They have not actually been to any of the planets. I know they have not been to mine, so I came here. My planet is definatly not Earth like. One continent, Organge oceans, Green skies, and Blue trees. But the biggest difference is we still use Logic and Common Sense.
Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:
Jeremiah 10:12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, and created man upon it: I, even my hands, have stretched out the heavens, and all their host have I commanded.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Psalm 8:3 When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained;
Psalm 136:9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Psalm 148:3 Praise ye him, sun and moon: praise him, all ye stars of light.
It's so sad to see the endless striving of man to prove that God doesn't exist. The countless hours, money and energy spent in proving that which so obviously exists. How many people spend so much money, time and effort trying to prove the non existence of leprechauns and unicorns? Why? Because we know they don't exist and get on with life. Just the very fact that so much is done to rebel against the existence of God in itself proves His existence.
I still enjoy watching space-science shows, even thought they are all hugely darwinian/evolutionary in their outlook.
I saw one the other day where a scientist found evidence of life in rocks allegedly formed near the beginning of earth's own formation rather than the billion or so years afterwards (which is the current scientific "belief").
Instead of even remotely acknowleging his findings point to creation, he tried to use them as an argument in favor of Copernican mediocrity. Implying that if life could so much more quickly and easilly "evolve" here on earth, then it should be that much easier to find life elsewhere in the universe.
I still have an old Astronomy book which speculates about the types of life that might be found in Venus, Mars, and Jupter; which today are no longer viable candidates for life but the big local hope now is the discovery of life under the ice of Jupiter's moon, Europa.