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Emergent Christians Mull Theology in Google Era
A group of progressive Christians is urging its cohorts to catch up with today's technology and social media to contribute to theological conversations.

In this Google-shaped world, theological conversations are no longer limited to Ph.D. holders, seminary presidents and church heads, says the group, but they’re open to all Christians.


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Cezar | Midwest  Find all comments by Cezar
Emergent church is like Evangelicals full of apostasy and wolves in sheep's clothing.

They better "mull" over the Authorized KJV and stop believing the lies they are being told.

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News Item3/18/10 7:21 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Thanks everyone for this discussion. It has helped me gain some clarity. There are so many movements of philosophies right now that are converging into others, the rock of Christ never changes. As a Christian, the term "social justice" means a lot to me and I am personally not ready to hand it over to this liberal free-for-all junk, just as I am not ready to had the gospel over to the arminian definition of the gospel. You all understand what I mean? As our country moves into a time of great immorality and pushing more and more law to try to cover that, and the new world order move to consolidate power, we see more and more daily examples of abuse, perversion, persecution. I think those are opportunities for a Christian to speak up, not out of hate, or not out of a false desire to socially engineer, but to speak for justice. God is just and right and no, we cannot remove evil from men's hearts (that's Christ's work alone), we must also stand for what is right and good. Abortion being an awful but obvious example, or as hate speech is going, will you visit a fellow Christian in prison or just say, "oh they broke the law and its their fault."? I mean, will the ecclesia stand together during persecution or let these false paradigms keep us silent?
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News Item3/18/10 6:19 PM
prince charles | wales anglesey  Find all comments by prince charles
Neil wrote:
I think preachers unconsciously adopt this stuff from pop church culture w/o bothering to question or refine it. Thus churchgoers are vulnerable to intellectual confusion & are wide open to heresies.
oh totally, its good to get mad at this sort of thing but its even better to challenge these wonderfull 'orthodoxies' and watch them as they desperately struggle for the first time in their lives to biblically reference it without the usual scattergun tactics, my favorites in descending order are

'you have to ask Jesus into your heart'

you can really chew on this one, i start of by asking them where it says that in the bible, they are always arminists that say this so it then leads on to my favorite ground - election and sovreignty,

another good 'pop' cliche is

'God does not go where he isnt wanted'

ha ha ! - we are entering a doctrine free zone here - the average calvinist will emerge as a seeming theological giant.
TAKE NO PRISONERS !

Im still enjoying Gil Rugh jim, especially his series on romans, but is it the real gil rugh ? I am concerned - WHY OH WHY does he sound like clint eastwood ??????????

are you involved in this conspiracy ? I seek assurance from you that this man is the said pastor not an aging f

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News Item3/18/10 5:17 PM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
Neil wrote:
Rick, Lenin was the Russian Bolshevik; Lennon was a Beatle. Lenin was bald, whereas Lennon needed a haircut. I think both are in the same place now.
You are quite right about the spelling. I wasn't sure of it when I wrote, but I did mean the former Lenin. I do know they were of similar ideology.
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News Item3/18/10 4:43 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"I would think the 'personal relationship' term is derived from Jesus' referral to his disciples being his brethren."

Mike, of course this is a plausible meaning (though still not precise - the disciples weren't Mary's children), but my point is, I do not recall any preacher being this specific about it. They just toss it about & assume listeners understand.

You are quite correct if Matt. 12:50 is the sense you meant.

Or here's another one I hear often: "God loves you and has a wonderful plan for your life." Again, lots of definition is required before this could be considered Biblical.

Rick, Lenin was the Russian Bolshevik; Lennon was a Beatle. Lenin was bald, whereas Lennon needed a haircut. I think both are in the same place now.

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News Item3/18/10 3:53 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The church of the emerging pustule appeals to intellectual snobbery.
They think they have secret knowledge only the specially enlightened are privy to. For a fun time,(I'm being sarcastic)read Brian McClaren's "A New Kind of Christian" He's a very good writer, in terms of turning a phrase. Unfortunately his arguments are defective because his underlying assumptions are wrong or exaggerated. Difficult to control your temper while reading him.

The Emergent philosophy requires destruction of what he calls the modern church and Scriptural theology, which according to him puts people in a box. The destruction is necessary so that the postmodern church may rise out of the ashes. There is no thought of adding another church type to what already exists. Liberal/left corruption wrapped in Christianese.

Neil, I would think the "personal relationship" term is derived from Jesus' referral to his disciples being his brethren. Children of God is another. Seems pretty personal.

Surprising any pastor could have missed it.

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News Item3/18/10 3:20 PM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
jpw wrote:
Rick, thanks for that explanation. Sounds a lot like post-modernism....Is it going to a place where words do not have any meaning anymore? I think this may take many to a place of extreme tyranny as so many fight for nothing to mean nothing, that all that results is chaos and the big man comes in to boss the dizzy ones around? Just curious your thoughts on that!
Yes, I think the scenario fits very well. Marx comes up with the ideology, then Lennon destabilizes everything in order to impiment Marx's plan. It's certainly happening in America. The Emergent folks are all getting behind that sort of thing. And they are calling it Social Justice.
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News Item3/18/10 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I think some do realize the nonsense of the emerging movement, q.v., The Relentless Resistance to Revelation and Satan's Counterfeiting of Christianity.
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News Item3/18/10 2:12 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Neil wrote:
One problem I see in "conservative" churches that opens the door, at least, to this Emerging Church nonsense is a lazy attitude about terminological or theological precision.
An example: Many "soul-winners" tell us we need a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ. Fine, but what *kind* of relationship? And where does this phrase occur in Scripture, anyway? There are *many* kinds of personal relationships; even Judas had one with Christ, & a lot of good that did him. Is Jesus my brother, my father, a con-man, an insurance agent, my employee, or what? These are all personal relationships.
My son once asked a Fundy pastor this question, & he refused to give a straight answer, even though it's not hard to think of a Biblical one. I think preachers unconsciously adopt this stuff from pop church culture w/o bothering to question or refine it. Thus churchgoers are vulnerable to intellectual confusion & are wide open to heresies.
Another excellent post, Neil.
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News Item3/18/10 12:53 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
One problem I see in "conservative" churches that opens the door, at least, to this Emerging Church nonsense is a lazy attitude about terminological or theological precision.

An example: Many "soul-winners" tell us we need a "personal relationship" with Jesus Christ. Fine, but what *kind* of relationship? And where does this phrase occur in Scripture, anyway? There are *many* kinds of personal relationships; even Judas had one with Christ, & a lot of good that did him. Is Jesus my brother, my father, a con-man, an insurance agent, my employee, or what? These are all personal relationships.

My son once asked a Fundy pastor this question, & he refused to give a straight answer, even though it's not hard to think of a Biblical one. I think preachers unconsciously adopt this stuff from pop church culture w/o bothering to question or refine it. Thus churchgoers are vulnerable to intellectual confusion & are wide open to heresies.

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News Item3/17/10 11:16 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
The leaders in the Emergent church movement boast of being post-modern. It may be crude to say this, but in my opinion, the emergent church is to the body of Christ as a pustule is to the body of flesh.
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News Item3/17/10 10:15 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
Rick, thanks for that explanation. Sounds a lot like post-modernism....Is it going to a place where words do not have any meaning anymore? I think this may take many to a place of extreme tyranny as so many fight for nothing to mean nothing, that all that results is chaos and the big man comes in to boss the dizzy ones around? Just curious your thoughts on that!
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News Item3/17/10 11:05 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"A group of progressive Christians is urging its cohorts to catch up with today's technology and social media to contribute to theological conversations."

Isn't it interesting how reactionary philosophers think themselves progressive?

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News Item3/17/10 8:54 AM
Rick | Alabama  Contact via emailFind all comments by Rick
The terms Emergent, and Theology are a contradiction. Theology is a clearly defined set of propositinal truths, derived from scriptute, and arranged in a logical order. Emergent is a Postmodern Conversation that is always changing with the conversers, that are addicted to ambiguity.
The term "The Conversation", does not mean that they share the gospel through individual conversation with people.Rather, it is a Hegalian dialectic. If one person has a view, and another seems to have an opposite view, you synthisize the two, and you come up with what is the truth for that situation. As others come along with differing views, you continue the process till everyone comes to a consensus of opinion. Emergents will either ignore conrtadictions, or, believe that embracing contradictions is the highest form of intelegence. The emergent movement is Neo Liberalism at best. It is nearly as hard to define as the New Age movemnt. Emergents also are commited to not being defined. So much so, that if you do define a group of Emergents, they will purpously change what the do or believe. Although my ordination is Baptist, I'm preaching in a denomination that is the birth place of the Emergent movemnet. So I see first hand many of it's errors. Study all you can of this,and warn others about it.
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