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WASHINGTON – In a surprising discovery about where higher life can thrive, scientists for the first time found a shrimp-like creature and a jellyfish frolicking beneath a massive Antarctic ice sheet.

Six hundred feet below the ice where no light shines, scientists had figured nothing much more than a few microbes could exist.

That's why a NASA team was surprised when they lowered a video camera to get the first long look at the underbelly of an ice sheet in Antarctica. A curious shrimp-like creature came swimming by and then parked itself on the camera's cable. Scientists also pulled up a tentacle they believe came from a foot-long jellyfish.

"We were operating on the presumption that nothing's there," said NASA ice scientist Robert Bindschadler, who will be presenting the initial findings and a video at an American Geophysical Union meeting Wednesday. "It was a shrimp you'd enjoy having on ...


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News Item3/20/10 7:52 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
princecharles wrote:
dont tell me what christianity is about when you refuse to acknowlege straightforward error and claim i couldnt provide an example about a disciple using a weapon when i did
Okay Charles, you got me ONE example of a disciple using a weapon capable of death in the New Testament. In fact, the disciple, Simon Peter, actualy tried to kill with his sword, but was inaccurate. All in the sovereignty of God, of course, because the Lord didn't want Peter to break yet another commandment and be even more heartbroken than he was about to be. And, as I've just pointed out, Jesus was displeased with his action, and told him to "put up his sword". Why? Because they that will live by the sword shall die by the sword. It is the law of sowing and reaping, and you would do well to think on your actions, because you will reap that which you sow, brother.

Of course, what I really want to see is a precedent, a biblical justification for taking up arms in defence against persecution. This poor example you've given is already proven to be a non-starter. Do you really want to follow Peter's pre-pentecost actions, including his denial of Christ, his impetuosity?

Now come up with your proof text and I will concede the debate.

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News Item3/20/10 6:57 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
John UK wrote:
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7 KJV
Think....
yeah, look to yourself john, a fulsome apology for telling lies about me is what is required here not more pomposity.

More seriously, you actually suggested, if not claimed outright that scripture contradicts itself

THAT is a lie from the devil

All false teachers are the same

95 % truth and 5 % POISON, the 5 % is enough to destroy

dont tell me what christianity is about when you refuse to acknowlege straightforward error and claim i couldnt provide an example about a disciple using a weapon when i did

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News Item3/20/10 6:41 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
princecharles wrote:
Ha !
And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear. Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for ALL THEY that take the sword shall PERISH with the sword.
Matthew 26:51-52 KJV

Please note that in another gospel, it is recorded that Jesus healed the man who was wounded, thus showing us what Christianity is all about. If Peter had fatally wounded him, Jesus would no doubt have raised him from the dead.

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 21:24 KJV

Here's another example of reversal bro:

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:35-36 KJV

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7 KJV

Think....

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News Item3/20/10 6:23 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
John UK wrote:
And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors? Charles can't find one, but maybe you know one or two eh?
Ha ! Once again caught you in your impudence and dishonesty ! I already pointed out to you previously that peter cut off someones ear in the garden of gethsemane but you have the effrontery to say that I cant provide an example when i already did - completely dishonest and i hope members of this forum are paying attention to this.

You also deceitfully claim that you did not say that jesus chenges his mind when you certainly did claim that 'the bible reverses itself'

the example provided which in your view demonstrates this, actually demonstrates your ignorance of a key biblical doctrine - first to the jews then to the gentiles

instead of admitting it you resort to form

The depth of your conceitr is furthur revealed when you advise the likes of william to read his NT 'and understand it this time ' !!! ridiculous it is YOU who are blin

Forum contributors TAKE NOTE of these exchanges lest you doubt my warnings be NOT DECEIVED by johns teaching

I will be EXPOSING the FALSE TEACHING and ERROR of john uk on this forum

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News Item3/19/10 8:39 PM
Golden Mean  Find all comments by Golden Mean
John UK wrote:
Actually what we're trying to do is analyse whether or not Jesus wants us to buy a sword, with which we can kill our persecutors. Charles says "yes" and the ol' turnip says "no", because that was a one-off.
What do you think?
And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors? Charles can't find one, but maybe you know one or two eh?
It's an interesting topic. But it sounds like it would be more fit for the article on the bible or islam being more violent. This doesn't have anything to do with a scientific discovery. I was hoping my sarcasm would have pointed that out.
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News Item3/19/10 8:29 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
John UK wrote:
And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors?
John UK
Hmmm? IMO we need to be prayerful in handling accurately the Word of Truth.

Did the disciples at times...flee? Yes
Did the disciples at other times stand and testify even when it cost them, imprisonment or death? Yes

Would they have allowed themselves to be robbed by highwaymen? Hmmm.
Would they have fought, even to inflict great bodily harm, even death, if said highwaymen sought to rape the women with them... I SURE HOPE SO

And in more recent times would believers hide Jews from the Nazis at great risk of their lives?

In conclusion I have to think this is one of those matters where the answer is not always that easy and IMO often a case by case matter where the believer(s) involved need the guidance of God in whatever course of action they take.

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News Item3/19/10 7:13 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Golden Mean wrote:
Thanks guys. When I read the article about the Scientific Discovery, I missed the parts about, Jesus and his disciples, the gentiles, the sending of the 12 then the 70. I'm sure glad there are folks that can find all those hidden things in these news articles
Actually what we're trying to do is analyse whether or not Jesus wants us to buy a sword, with which we can kill our persecutors. Charles says "yes" and the ol' turnip says "no", because that was a one-off.

What do you think?

And do you know any example in the whole of the New Testament where Jesus disciples defended themselves with weaponry against persecutors? Charles can't find one, but maybe you know one or two eh?

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News Item3/19/10 6:57 PM
Golden Mean  Find all comments by Golden Mean
Thanks guys. When I read the article about the Scientific Discovery, I missed the parts about, Jesus and his disciples, the gentiles, the sending of the 12 then the 70. I'm sure glad there are folks that can find all those hidden things in these news articles
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News Item3/19/10 5:55 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
pickoverse wrote:
You could add to that John that Matt 10 Jesus tells the Disciples NOT to go to the Gentiles.
Whereas in Chapter 28v18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS.
The two commands are separated by the Crucifiction!!
Chapter 10 - 'local' training on the Jews. Chapter 28 the final command to all nations, (for disciples and church). Thus Jesus knew all along that He would evangelise the Gentiles too.
Correct!
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News Item3/19/10 5:52 PM
pickoverse  Find all comments by pickoverse
John UK wrote:
Was Jesus sent only to the Jews?

Did he save any Gentiles?
It is an endless list bro.

You could add to that John that Matt 10 Jesus tells the Disciples NOT to go to the Gentiles.
Whereas in Chapter 28v18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS.

The two commands are separated by the Crucifiction!!

Chapter 10 - 'local' training on the Jews. Chapter 28 the final command to all nations, (for disciples and church). Thus Jesus knew all along that He would evangelise the Gentiles too.

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News Item3/19/10 5:16 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
prince charles wrote:
its not gonna work john,
But be shod with *sandals*; and not put on two coats.
Mark 6:9 KJV

Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither *shoes*, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Matthew 10:10 KJV

Well there's another one for you to peruse on, my little pedantic Taffy. To shoe or not to shoe, that is the question.

Besides which, you have to take into account the dramatic change of covenants. Fo example, when did the new testament begin? At Jesus birth, his death, or his resurrection?

Did he change the Sabbath into the Sunday Lord's Day?

Did he, after encouraging his disciples to keep the Passover, now tell them never to keep the Passover ever again.

Has he reversed the command to exorcise devils, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers by miraculous means?

Did he introduce cessationism, which means that certain apostolic gifts are no longer given?

Did he put an end to circumcision?

Are those instructions to the apostles concerning their evangelism obeyed today?

Was Jesus sent only to the Jews?

Did he save any Gentiles?

It is an endless list bro.

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News Item3/19/10 4:42 PM
prince charles | wales anglesey  Find all comments by prince charles
John UK wrote:
Ahem, hmmmm. Charles my little fruitcake
#1 Please note that I never asserted that Jesus "changed his mind", as if he was some sort of unstable Welshman. If you imagined that I was implying that, please be assured that I wasn't.
its not gonna work john,

you offered these verses as proof that jesus reversed his commands

''You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles?
Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly? ''

YOU wrote that john

clearly you INTENDED to suggest that Jesus changed his mind and that some instructions were REVERSED

I have demonstrated to you from scripture that far from being a reversal this was the plan - first to the jews then the gentiles

Your pride will not allow you to admit your error so you dishonestly muddy the waters and adopt a transparently impolite and patronising tone

strong evidence of the impulses of the natural man

MIKE :''PS do you really think John/UK is a false teacher? ''

MIKE You decide based on this exchange I say do not accept john teaching he is not in the truth. You have it all here, a basic error, a refusal to be taught and a calculated dishonest and patronising response.

Its predictable and i can make him do it on demand

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News Item3/19/10 9:15 AM
Golden Mean  Find all comments by Golden Mean
What was the deal about a scientific discovery?
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News Item3/19/10 6:19 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
princecharles wrote:
your assertion that Jesus changed his mind means you dont know this
The verses you use show that the disciples went to the Jews first and then the gentiles..
Ahem, hmmmm. Charles my little fruitcake

#1 Please note that I never asserted that Jesus "changed his mind", as if he was some sort of unstable Welshman. If you imagined that I was implying that, please be assured that I wasn't.

#2 And then you have the audacity to say "The verses you use show that the disciples went to the Jews first and then the gentiles.." Have another look at the verses I posted, brother.

Please observe that the only mention of the Gentile dogs in those verses is that the disciples should NOT go and preach to them, despite the fact that the longterm purpose of God was to include men from every nation under heaven.

Please observe that Peter, in the Acts, even had to be persuaded through a vision on his housetop, that the gospel was even FOR Gentiles also. And when Gentiles WERE converted, the "church" was amazed - and thrilled!

Now do you see, bro?

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News Item3/19/10 5:44 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
John UK wrote:
Later on Jesus reversed that..
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:15 KJV
I'll not be overbearing with you, but I'm sure you'll find others for yourself brother.
oh dear.....letters to the romans john ?

rom 1v16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek

salvation is to the Jew first and then the gentile thats a basic teaching and
fundemental doctrine

your assertion that Jesus changed his mind means you dont know this

The verses you use show that the disciples went to the Jews first and then the gentiles which is in accord with scripture, it only seems like a 'reversal' to you because you dont know what scripture teaches on this matter !

are you going to dig your heels in or admit you were wrong ?

I warned you to cut your losses !

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News Item3/18/10 7:01 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
prince charles wrote:
Au contraire john ! It is up to you...
Okay, just a couple for you tonight bro.

#1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Matthew 10:1 KJV

#2 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Matthew 10:5-10 KJV

Well there's a couple of one-offs for you to chew on Charles. You are a Gentile aren't you? Wear shoes?

Later on Jesus reversed that..

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:15 KJV

I'll not be overbearing with you, but I'm sure you'll find others for yourself brother.

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News Item3/18/10 6:00 PM
prince charles | wales anglesey  Find all comments by prince charles
John UK wrote:
You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles?
Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly?
I'll give you till tonight to come clean and repent of heterodoxy.
Au contraire john ! It is up to you to support your rather ambitious claim above, but if you can your stock will rise ! - shouldnt you cut your losses now rather than attempt to demonstrate that scripture contradicts itself or that Jesus reversed his commands ?

I shall be taking the leading role in my film but I would rather the material itself took centre stage so modesty forbids that I grace the frame with my middle aged but nonetheless youthfully handsome well preserved visage ! We dont want the ladies being distracted now do we !

apparently you can take an existing powerpoint presentation and convert it to video for posting on youtube i will put an audio track on it and i will be on my way, i look forward to advising all the brethren on here of the link and getting feedback !

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News Item3/18/10 12:38 PM
Dr Doolittle | Puddleby-on-the-Marsh  Find all comments by Dr Doolittle
John UK wrote:
No I didn't know that bro, and is there a film I can watch about the circus, coz I find watching easier than reading.
And that David Attenborough must be insane and psychotic to think there is a missing link - he'll never find it. And if he does, I won't believe it.
The Bible will never be proved wrong on all these important issues of life.
Dr Dolittle's helper doesn't waste his time looking for that missing link, he knows better by searching Answers in Genesis http://www.answersingenesis.org/

SEE:

No missing link

The whole evolutionary darwinian nonsensical circus is as credible as 'Doctor Dolittle's Circus' fiction

Dr Dolittle

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News Item3/18/10 12:01 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
princecharles wrote:
John, Jesus is God, there are no 'one offs' as you call it, nor does scripture contradict itself.
You reckon there are "no" one-offs in the gospel accounts, Charles?

Commands that Jesus actually REVERSED shortly?

I'll give you till tonight to come clean and repent of heterodoxy. You see how gracious I am being to you brother, in allowing you time to repent.

p.s. I look forward to seeing your film. Are you taking the leading role? Don't forget to hang out the Welsh Flag in the background.

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News Item3/18/10 11:31 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
Mike wrote:
Disagreement doesn't necessarily make one a false teacher, else you might be called the same. The tongue (or the keyboard version of it) truly is a fire, isn't it?
perhaps i ought to be more sober ! I agree with john wholeheartedly most of the time but sometimes ... a little leaven...

John, Jesus is God, there are no 'one offs' as you call it, nor does scripture contradict itself.

The disciples were instructed to take weapons IN PREFERENCE to a cloak which is surely the item of most daily use, because Jesus knew they would be attacked. As for the use of weapons, peter chopped off someones ear

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