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IRS visits Sacramento carwash in pursuit of 4 cents
Arriving at Harv's Metro Car Wash in midtown Wednesday afternoon were two dark-suited IRS agents demanding payment of delinquent taxes. "They were deadly serious, very aggressive, very condescending," says Harv's owner, Aaron Zeff.

The really odd part of this: The letter that was hand-delivered to Zeff's on-site manager showed the amount of money owed to the feds was ... 4 cents.


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jpw  Find all comments by jpw
As long as the stealing is equitable, it is legal.
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News Item3/15/10 10:41 PM
Not of this world  Find all comments by Not of this world
Kingdom Citizen wrote:
Also, regarding IRS word art and trickery, you are assuming that some absolute truth exists in their forms in which someone can attain. If not, then not even some could understand.
I'm simply defending the gospel and dialoguing with someone I know not, who indicates however, that God's people are to subject themselves to the grievous commandments of men.
"May I live in this land called America, the place where God placed me, and simply love him and love my neighbor without being harassed and threatened into obeying the commandments of men, which choke the word and hinder the gospel?"
Which kingdom are you a citizen of, KC? If it's in this world, it's not Jesus' kingdom - at least, not until he comes again.

Let the IRS have their money. It doesn't hinder the gospel at all to obey the government (with the obvious exception of disobeying any direct commands to disobey God).

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News Item3/15/10 9:17 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Also, regarding IRS word art and trickery, you are assuming that some absolute truth exists in their forms in which someone can attain. If not, then not even some could understand.

I'm simply defending the gospel and dialoguing with someone I know not, who indicates however, that God's people are to subject themselves to the grievous commandments of men.

"May I live in this land called America, the place where God placed me, and simply love him and love my neighbor without being harassed and threatened into obeying the commandments of men, which choke the word and hinder the gospel?"

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News Item3/15/10 9:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"It's already apparent that you are only striving against the Light."

Oh, you've got me now!

"Are you assuming all taxpayers are not liars and understand IRS nonsense?"

No, but I'm not the one making categorical statements, either. You pose a false choice between all or none - ever heard of "some?" Maybe some people understand IRS docs, & others, like lazy people or illiterates, don't.

"And who makes you the authority by stating that being forced to dedicate time to paying tithes and the burden and stress of maintaining records does not hinder the gospel"

Arguing with other Christians on the Web about taxes & civil gov't isn't spreading the Gospel, either, yet you're choosing to spend time doing it. Another false dilemma.

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News Item3/15/10 8:53 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
Yes, I do go again against falsehood.
"Form 1040 is irrelevant"
How so? What other way does one have to deal with the IRS besides W-2 filings?
"By the way, it's not possible for anyone to understand all the words and terms contained therein, so whosoever signs the form is a liar."
A fallacious generalization. Have you polled *all* taxpayers to prove this? And I doubt illiterate people need to worry about filing anyway.
Paying taxes does not hinder the Gospel now any more than it did in the 1st Century in an avowedly pagan civilization, with its corrupt publicans.
It's already apparent that you are only striving against the Light.

"How so?" Instead of evading my question, answering it may help you with your problem and understand better.

Are you assuming all taxpayers are not liars and understand IRS nonsense?

And who makes you the authority by stating that being forced to dedicate time to paying tithes and the burden and stress of maintaining records does not hinder the gospel? Have you taken a poll?

And once again, slicky, my question didn't mention "paying taxes" now did it? Read it again.

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News Item3/15/10 8:35 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Yes, I do go again, against falsehood & unproven assertions.

"Form 1040 is irrelevant"

How so? What other way does one have to deal with the IRS besides W-2 filings? As usual, you omit clarification, as if that is my problem.

"By the way, it's not possible for anyone to understand all the words and terms contained therein, so whosoever signs the form is a liar."

A fallacious generalization. Have you polled *all* taxpayers to prove this?

Paying taxes does not hinder the Gospel now any more than it did in the 1st Century in an avowedly pagan civilization, with its corrupt free-agent tax collectors (publicans).

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News Item3/15/10 8:30 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
OK, I'll satisfy your quibble & call it "demanding" money - it changes nothing.
You're lying about what the IRS demands. Thou shalt not bear false witness. Where do they demand one's soul on Form 1040?
And there you go again.

"Form 1040" is irrelevant. [By the way, it's not possible for anyone to understand all the words and terms contained therein, so whosoever signs the form is a liar.] Anyway.....

May I live in this land called America, the place where God placed me, and simply love him and love my neighbor without being harassed and threatened into obeying the commandments of men, which choke the word and hinder the gospel?

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News Item3/15/10 8:20 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
OK, I'll satisfy your quibble & call it "demanding" money - it changes nothing.

You're bearing false witness about the IRS. Where do they demand one's soul on Form 1040 (refer me to a page on www.irs.gov for particulars).

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News Item3/15/10 8:10 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
KC, your calling me "slicky" is indicative of bad manners, which warns me that spending more time trying to get an answer from you on the tax code question isn't worth the personal abuse.
Ironically, you seem pretty exercised over a carnal matter like taxation. IRS agents aren't asking for your soul, just your money.
I call you that because you accuse me of being evasive, for one, while proceeding to be evasive yourself, in addition to trying to tempt me into confessing that I'd commit an act of violence in self-defense, and finally stating "trying to get an answer from [me] on the tax code...!"

Not exercised much, merely stating what those people are. No big deal to me. This should be common language, but sadly those who profess Christ are offended.

IRS agents are disciples of the devil's religion which does demand your soul! Homage and allegiance. Ain't no asking nothing, it's demand backed by force.

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News Item3/15/10 7:45 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
KC, your calling me "slicky" is indicative of bad manners, which warns me that spending more time trying to get an answer from you on the tax code question isn't worth the personal abuse.

Ironically, you seem pretty exercised over a carnal matter like taxation. IRS agents aren't asking for your soul, just your money.

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News Item3/15/10 7:34 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
"with that you are way too defensive of these terrorists."
Subjective judgment on your part, so that's disposable.
"Tell us what the alleged laws are." The Federal tax code is law. But I suppose this is too simple, and I'm going to get a lecture on the legal nonexistence of the Fed income tax.
OK, no gun (nice try at evasion), but my question stands - would you use force against a tax auditor as an act of self-defense, just as you would against a bomb-wielding jihadist whom you equated with the former? I presume you believe Christians have the right to defend themselves.
Righteous judgment. You sure are a very suspicious fella Neil.

"Federal tax code" - Wrong. Keep trying.

It is ungodly for me to predict the future slicky, so I pray to not be in a situation where my flesh may be tempted to shove somebody's nose into their brain with my fist. If an antichrist such as a tithe collector threatens me with violence in person and demands FRN's, then if I have them I will hand them over. Then he can be on his way thinking he doeth God service.

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News Item3/15/10 7:10 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"with that you are way too defensive of these terrorists."

Subjective judgment on your part, so that's disposable.

"Tell us what the alleged laws are." The Federal tax code is law. But I suppose this is too simple, and I'm going to get a lecture on the legal nonexistence of the Fed income tax.

OK, no gun (nice try at evasion), but my question stands - would you use force against a tax auditor as an act of self-defense, just as you would against a bomb-wielding jihadist whom you equated with the former? It looks like you don't believe Christians have the right to defend themselves.

"is impossible for any agent to act godly and to do good"

That remains to be established. The categorical negative is especially suspect.

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News Item3/15/10 6:55 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil, I assume you're professing Christ, and with that you are way too defensive of these terrorists. Way.

"law enforcement" ..."enforce laws" ??

Now that's some question-begging slicky.

What law? Tell us what the alleged laws are, all of them, and keep us disciples updated so we can strive to obey them.

Yes, the term is broad, though still applicable. Most statists fit the definition well. God's children do not, as they wield the sword of the Spirit and not an arsenal of carnal weapons. I personally have no gun so I cannot shoot anyone.

"Romans 13" doesn't apply to the IRS sect. It is impossible for any agent to act godly and to do good, and if he did, then he'd no longer be working for Antichrist.

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News Item3/15/10 6:49 PM
jpw  Find all comments by jpw
what a bunch of bullies. I know of a few people who just stole 20 trillion dollars of American tax money. But they dont' work at the local carwash. It's the old trick, "hey look at that bird" (everyone looks up while they sneak stuff under the table).
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News Item3/15/10 5:39 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Thank you; sorry, but your posts do not always attract my attention. The definition you cited does not necessarily apply to agents of law enforcement, who use coercion perhaps, but only to enforce laws, even those we may not like. Your use of it is so broad as to encompass virtually any public official. And since the subjective term "frighten" is included in one definition, that is so vague that any person, yourself included, could be labeled a terrorist.

"It's terrorism because agents of the IRS sect are terrorists."

Begs the question. Would you shoot tax auditors as an act of self defense? Some people of this mind-set go so far as to fire at buildings inhabited by CA State (not IRS) auditors.

"Perhaps you think these antichrists are God's servants?" Now that depends on how they act, just as it does with ostensible Christians. Otherwise Rom. 13 would be absurd.

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News Item3/15/10 5:13 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
...because?? Let me guess - you don't have time to look up & cite an online dictionary.
It's terrorism because agents of the IRS sect are terrorists.

I cited an online dictionary 3 days ago.

Perhaps you think these antichrists are God's servants?

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News Item3/15/10 5:01 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
...because?? Let me guess - you don't have time to look up & cite an online dictionary.
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News Item3/15/10 4:22 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
How about "harassment" instead?
No. It's terrorism.
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News Item3/15/10 2:31 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
KC, please don't abuse the term "terrorism" in this context - we get enough of that from the Left already. How about "harassment" instead?

In man-hours, this audit cost the taxpayers far more than it was worth, an example of gov't waste & stupidity rather than "terrorism."

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News Item3/15/10 10:47 AM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Ongoing terrorism in America forcing people to pay tithes to the false church.
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