"Okey": Seeing That THE SATANIC-VATICAN & HER (IR)Religious (Dis)Orders (i.e. The "Jesuits"), Have Deceived You Into Thinking That The Roman-" 'Catholic' Church" & Roman-"Catholicism" Is THE TRUE HISTORIC AUTHORIZED BIBLICAL LITERAL & TRUE ONE-&-ONLY HOLY APOSTOLIC BIBLE-ONLY-BELIEVING CATHOLIC CHURCH (ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN); I Must Needs Respond To Your Questions & Assist You In Recovering From Your Spiritual, Psychological & Physical Delusion(s) !
#1.Loving Someone HUMAN Can NOT Necessarily Stop You From Loving The TRUE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURES--
But, Loving Someone HUMAN MORE Than Loving The TRUE LORD JESUS CHRIST Of THE AUTHORIZED HOLY BIBLE SCRIPTURES Can Make You UNWORTHY Of HIM:
"He That LOVETH Father Or Mother MORE THAN ME Is NOT WORTHY Of ME: And He That LOVETH Son Or Daughter MORE THAN ME Is NOT WORTHY OF ME.
And He That TAKETH NOT HIS CROSS, And FOLLOWETH AFTER ME, IS NOT WORTHY OF ME."--MATTHEW 10:37-38 !
"Okey": YOU DO GREATLY ERR, NOT KNOWING THE TRUE WORD OF GOD (WRITTEN & LIVING), THE TRUE LOVE OF & FOR GOD & THE TOTAL DEVOTION THAT HE REQUIRES OF EVERY ONE OF HIS TRUE CHILDREN, DISCIPLES & SERVANTS & SAINTS ! ! !
Many lost souls have perished still in their sins because they so-called converted to a religious institution instead of a true conversion unto the person of Jesus Christ!
"Repent ye therefore, and be 'CONVERTED', that your 'SINS' may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you;" ACTS 3:19,20
"And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that Prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people." ACTS 3:23
Tony Lopez-Cisneros wrote: ***THIS SATANIC-VATICAN IDOLATRY NO DOUBT ACCOMPANIED WITH "STIGMATA" POLTERGEISTS & DEVIL-DEMON SPIRIT MANIFESTATIONS & "POSSESSIONS" OF ANIMATE & INANIMATE OBJECTS: ROCKS, TREES, BEASTS, HUMANS, ETC. !
Yet ANOTHER Reason Why I'm VERY DEEPLY CONCERNED & HOLY-SPIRITUALLY DISTURBED With SOME 'SIGN-SEEKING' & 'MIRACLE PROSPECTING' *CHARISMATIC "BRETHREN" !
Especially THE *CHARISMATIC "BRETHREN" Who "SIGN-SEEK" & "MIRACLE-PROSPECT" The "HEAVENLY OIL COMING OUT FROM NOWHERE OFF THE CEILING PHENOMENON " & "HEAVENLY OIL COMING FROM NOWHERE SEEPING OFF THE HANDS-BODIES-TOWELS OF SOME *CHARISMATIC "EVANGELISTS", "PREACHERS", "APOSTLES", "PROPHETS" & ETC. !
They Come NIGH Close To THE SATANIC VATICAN'S SPONSORED, ENCOURAGED & ACKNOWLEDGED "MARIAN", "ANGELIC" & "SUPERNATURAL" APPARITIONS OF WEEPING-BLEEDING-SECREETING IDOLS, STATUES, IMAGES, ICONS & PICTURES Of "Jesus", "Mary", "Angels", "Apostles", "Saints", "Popes" & Etc.!
I Tell You BRETHREN, I'm BOTHERED; YEA, HOLY-SPIRITUALLY DISTURBED BY SUCH "MIRACLE-MONGERING" & "MIRACLE-MONGERERS" !
***NOT TO SAY TRUE AUTHORIZED-BIBLICAL-LITERAL MIRACLES OF GOD THE FATHER, SON & HOLY GHOST ARE LACKING TODAY;
Mary says of Jesus; "Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it"
Yet the RCC will discount God's Word in favour of their own tranditions.
John 2:2-5 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage. And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come. His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
Mary says; "He hath filled the hungry with good things".
Yet The Roman Catholic Church spent generations robbing and starving the poor with their indulgences.
Luke 1:46-53 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name. And his mercy is on them that fear him from generation to generation. He hath shewed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts. He hath put down the mighty from their seats, and exalted them of low degree. He hath filled the hungry with good things; and the rich he hath sent empty away.
Neil wrote: I was not quoting Fuentes with approval, you know. Nor would I take such liberties with citation. BTW, the real semitic Mary may well have had a complexion close to mestizo, but then, it would contradict fair-skinned European renderings of her, which is my point. The Marian apparitions were either human hoaxes, or satanic hoaxes.
"Neil": Please Don't Take My Responding Comment As An "ATTACK" Or "QUESTION" Of Your "approval (Or Disapproval)" & Etc.
I Was Only Responding To The IGNORANT LIES Preached, Promulgated & Perpetuated By LUCIFER's Satanic-Vatican/Roman-"Catholic"-Cult Via One Of Her Many "Hijos De La Gran P*** (Ramera)"--"Sons Of The Great Whore, Prostitute & B**** Of Babylon": Novelist Carlos Fuentes !
"Neil": I'm Inclined To Believe That The MAJORITY Of These "Marian" Apparitions Are MORE SATANIC HOAXES Than Human Hoaxes;
Because Of The "Mystical", "Unexplained" & "Miraculous" 'BRA-HA-HA' Attached To Them:
Especially Those With "(Oil) Weeping Icons, Pictures, Images & Idols" Or "Bleeding Statues, Images, Idols, Etc. !
***THIS SATANIC-VATICAN IDOLATRY NO DOUBT ACCOMPANIED WITH "STIGMATA" POLTERGEISTS & DEVIL-DEMON SPIRIT MANIFESTATIONS & "POSSESSIONS" OF ANIMATE & INANIMATE OBJECTS: ROCKS, TREES, BEASTS, HUMANS, ETC. !
I was not quoting Fuentes with approval, you know. Nor would I take such liberties with citation.
BTW, the real semitic Mary may well have had a complexion close to mestizo, but then, it would contradict fair-skinned European renderings of her, which is my point. The Marian apparitions were either human hoaxes, or satanic hoaxes.
Last year I had an operation and a Roman Catholic priest came to visit two catholic women who were in my room. I talked to him and his main objective was to get me to pray to Mary. He said many women find comfort in talking to Mary. I'm just like, it's not going to happen.
There was no direction to Christ and salvation through Jesus' sacrifice for my sins! It was a shame...
And what's with the song Ave Maria, the is actually a prayer to Mary when you see the words! Mary is blessed, but she is not God or our Messiah!
She did not stay a virgin in perpetual virginity. Mary and Joseph had children after Jesus was born. She was not sinless, Jesus had to die for her sins also. Yet she is blessed among women indeed!
Okey wrote: I think we need to be more careful how we address issues relating to the Catholic church. Very few protestants have taken quality time to study the thier teachings without contempt but with an open mind; and some of those who did eventually got converted to the Church.
Okey Oh but dear friend these "protestants" who converted to Catholicism didn't study the matter with an honest and open mind according to what God Himself says to us in the Bible. Jesus says clearly His sheep hear His voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow.
It might interest us to know that even the catholic church hardly recognizes such "miracles".
That aside, I would like to find out if Loving someone can stop me from loving Jesus? I doubt that. In the same way, i don't think honoring Mary or the saints can stop someone from honoring Jesus above them since the reason why they are honored in the first place is because of thier relationship with Jesus. 1pt 2:17 talks of honoring all men including the king.Just thinking
I think we need to be more careful how we address issues relating to the Catholic church. Very few protestants have taken quality time to study the thier teachings without contempt but with an open mind; and some of those who did eventually got converted to the Church. Even if we don't agree with all or some of what they do, we shouldn't be quick to to make categorical statements lest we might be judging. And you know the Lord doesn't permit that.Let's look at the book of Jude vs 8 - 11.
"laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men"
Mark 7:7-9 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Maybe she is crying because Roman Catholic religion, is men practicing the will of man rather than the will of God.
Well if oil is really flowing on that Virgin Mary icon it sure is not of God but is of Satan. Satan according to the Bible makes incidents like that take place in order to get individuals to believe that it is of God and thus get them honor the Virgin Mary and the Saints instead of honoring Jesus.