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TUESDAY, MAR 9, 2010  |  77 comments
Should Obama Appoint a Protestant to the Supreme Court?
Fifty-one percent of Americans identify themselves as Protestants, but only one member of the U.S. Supreme Court claims that religion: John Paul Stevens, the justice deemed likely to retire at the end of the term.

Catholic justices have been in the majority on the U.S. Supreme Court since 2006, the Washington Post reports. With the confirmation of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, the court now has six Catholics. Two other justices, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer, were raised in the Jewish faith, although Breyer was married in an Anglican ceremony and has a daughter who is an Episcopal priest.

The Post considers whether the religious make-up of the court should affect the next court appointment. “Here's the kind of question that might violate the rules you learned about proper dinner conversation: Does President Obama’s next Supreme Court nominee need to be a Protestant?” the Post asks. ...


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wrought  Find all comments by wrought
Mike wrote:
Norman Geisler: "Faith is something we "do"
Mike your friend Norman is obviously misguided. Here is some truth teaching for him.

Art 1/9 "This election was not founded upon foreseen faith, and the obedience of faith, holiness, or any other good quality of disposition in man, as the pre-requisite, cause or condition on which it depended; but men are chosen to faith and to the obedience of faith, holiness, etc., therefore election is the fountain of every saving good; from which proceed faith, holiness, and the other gifts of salvation, and finally eternal life itself, as its fruits and effects, according to that of the apostle: "He hath chosen us (not because we were) but that we should be holy, and without blame, before him in love," Eph 1:4."

Art 3/14 "Faith is therefore to be considered as the gift of God, not on account of its being offered by God to man, to be accepted or rejected at his pleasure; but because it is in reality conferred, breathed, and infused into him; ...... because he who works in man both to will and to do, and indeed all things in all, produces both the will to believe, and the act of believing also."
(Canons of Dordt)

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News Item3/16/10 3:38 PM
Telstar | orbiting  Find all comments by Telstar
An Earnest Word with Those Who Are Seeking Salvation by the Lord Jesus Christ

C. H. Spurgeon

ALL OF GRACE

"Where sin abounded, grace did much more abound" (Romans 5:20).

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News Item3/16/10 3:38 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Mike/New York,

But, how does Mr. Geisler's quote agree with Scripture? Agreed that faith is the requirement for salvation but how is that faith made alive or procured? Scripture does say that we must receive Christ for salvation and of course our wills are engaged. But Scripture also said that it is not by the will of man. And our natural wills do not seek after God and though the natural man does not realize it, are actually at war with Him and spiritually are dead and need more than a prompting of course unless this prompting might be defined to it's greatest extent.

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News Item3/16/10 2:22 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
wrought wrote:
Come on now Mike.
1) Your arguement is to seek to establish that FAITH is NOT the GIFT /- 'A' GIFT!

2)But as you have quoted Calvin states, "Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation"
*NOTHING* - Thus FAITH is a gift of God.
---

1) Faith is not the gift in Ephesians 2:8. Salvation is. That is what I agreed with Calvin about. Why do you disagree with him? Are you a closet Arminian?

2) When we bring nothing but faith, we bring ourselves empty, thus salvation is nothing of ourselves. You are making of faith an objective "thing" that can be procured by or given to someone.

Anyway the real argument is not whether faith is a gift or not. It is whether faith is a meritorious work.

Norman Geisler: "Faith is something we "do" in that it involves an act of our will prompted by God's grace. However, faith is not something we "do" in the sense of a meritorious work necessary for God to give us salvation."

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News Item3/16/10 1:04 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Michael Hranek,

What I am saying is simply a reply to what was said regarding John 15:16. When the Lord saved me, I was not told about election directly(probably like you)but it was emphasized that Jesus did it all.
Although I did not then know all of Scripture, I now realize that I came to Christ because I had already been given to Him from the Father therefore I was not cast out.
I would not give meat to an unbeliever but I can freely discuss some of these things now with fellow believers in Christ.
To unbelievers I proclaim Christ and Him crucified, probably like you. So, there are things that all Christians have in common. Have a "grace day"!

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News Item3/16/10 11:52 AM
wrought  Find all comments by wrought
Mike wrote:
A tulip view, bro. But not Mr. Calvin's:
Commentary on Eph. 2:9
9. Not of works. Instead of what he had said, that their salvation is of grace, he now affirms, that "it is the gift of God." Instead of what he had
said, “Not of yourselves,” he now says, “Not of works.” Hence we see, that the apostle leaves ***nothing*** to men in procuring salvation. In these three phrases, — not of yourselves, — it is the gift of God, — not of works,.....
I agree with Calvin. Amazing, eh?
Come on now Mike.
Your arguement is to seek to establish that FAITH is NOT the GIFT /- 'A' GIFT!

Nobody considers salvation to be of human source.

But as you have quoted Calvin states, "Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation"

*NOTHING* - Thus FAITH is a gift of God.

Since..
1Pet 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls

# AND Jesus said;
And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

Now do you agree with Calvin?

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News Item3/16/10 5:22 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
savedbygrace Harrisburg, PA
Mike NY
John UK

Seems we are getting far off the topic of appointing a "Protestant" to the Supreme Court.

And since we are far off topic, a good one I would hope we return to let me ask a question:

Savedbygrace, think about this are you saved by faith in election (this seems to be what you are saying) or are you saved BY FAITH IN the terrible bloodly agony and death of Jesus Christ went through on the cross for you because you were a wretched vile unimagineably guilty sinner and the only way you could be SAVED from your sinfulness and made right with and beloved by God was for Jesus to do what is beyond all human reason for you who didn't desrve it.

Now if you are Saved by faith in election proclaim that

But if you are Saved by Jesus Christ, by faith IN HIM and what He has done for you on the cross and by being made a New Creature in Him proclaim that. And don't let any system of theology rob you from the wonder and joy of it and rob God from the glory and honor He deserves in the cross

A heartbreaking side bar here, a parallel of a different but similar sort, we have a poster on SermonAudio who proclaims his salvation in the sinner's prayer he prayed at his brother's nondenomination church.

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News Item3/16/10 3:52 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Greetings, Mike/New York,

I realize that you did not verbalize that however in relation to John 15:16, you emphasize the positive but there is also a negative present in Christ's words.

To be consistent, if you say that Christ is only saying that He chose them to bring forth fruit not for salvation then we must also say that the disciples did not choose Christ for salvation.
In these words of Christ what was HE expressing in regards to their choosing? And it is certain that if Christ chose the disciples for good fruit it becomes necessary that He also chose them for salvation(as others have already stated.)
Otherwise, if Christ did not choose the elect then of course we would have the impossibility that a bad tree could produce good fruit. The only way this verse makes sense is for Christ to of course choose the elect to bear the good fruit.

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News Item3/15/10 7:20 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John UK wrote:
---
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
And "that" not of yourselves.
If you read the verse and emphasise the word "that", it seems to me it is referring to what has immediately gone before, namely, "faith".
To carry on then to "it" is the gift of God, it seems to me that "it" is the same as what has gone immediately before, namely, "that", namely, "faith".
---
A tulip view, bro. But not Mr. Calvin's:

Commentary on Eph. 2:9
9. Not of works. Instead of what he had said, that their salvation is of grace, he now affirms, that "it is the gift of God." Instead of what he had
said, “Not of yourselves,” he now says, “Not of works.” Hence we see, that the apostle leaves nothing to men in procuring salvation. In these three phrases, — not of yourselves, — it is the gift of God, — not of works, — he embraces the substance of his long argument in the Epistles to the Romans and to the Galatians, that righteousness comes to us from the mercy of God alone, — is offered to us in Christ by the gospel, — and is received by faith alone, without the merit of works."

I agree with Calvin. Amazing, eh?

Savedbygrace: I don't understand the question. I never said they chose him.

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News Item3/15/10 5:48 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
OK here is something that came to me on sunday during the sermon it was about the passover lamb and the crucifiction, so far so good you may say, good staples which the elect always enjoy but as i was listening passages of scripture came to mind,

Israel killed the passover lamb and spread the blood over the door lintels

The jews killed Jesus 1thess2 v 14

so our sovreign God ordained this they killed the lamb without blemish as they killed the passover lamb

we know the consequences of this act to the jewish nation, the judgement they came under for doing this

it makes your head spin, exactly what is happening here ? The jews are Gods special people the apple of His eye, is this why they were chosen for this task ? Its very deep when you think about it.

They were told to kill the passover lamb to save their own lives

They were not told to kill Jesus and they sufferd the sword for it

Yet the two things were neccessary and
'it pleased God to bruise Him' (not in the gratuitous sense obviuosly)

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News Item3/15/10 4:14 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Mike/New York,

JOHN 15:16
What would the disciples have chosen Jesus for, except in regards to salvation?

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News Item3/15/10 1:18 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
John UK wrote:
Yes I certainly agree with your conclusions Charles.
It seems clear to me that we are predestinated unto:
#1 good works
#2 the image of Christ
#3 eternal salvation
So no matter what the verse is saying, if we are predestinated unto one, we are predestinated unto the other. Either way, the choice is Jesus's not ours. For our own nature is in rebellion against God, and needs subduing before we will ever consider our lost estate.
It is amazing grace that saved a wretch like me, and it was not merely a grace that was "willing" to save me, but a grace that "covenanted" to save me - despite myself!
amen to that john, only the spirit of God can bring us to life

like me you have a firm grasp of the finer points of theology

i preached it is appointed once for a man to die and then judgement past a few people last week, the great thing with using scripture from the off i find is how much attention people take of it, it makes em stop for a moment

ive been listening to gil rugh on sa recently, jolly good, do you know he sounds like the actor clint eastwood ?

if clint eastwood ever delivered a sermon he would sound just like gil rugh, in fact.....no it couldnt be - Jim ?

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News Item3/15/10 12:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
princecharles wrote:
John 15v16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,
this is of course hugely difficult to grasp and very controversial, Jesus seems to be saying that He chose us, not the other way around ! I have had endless debates (with arminists) but one needs to work thru the difficult theology to progress !
i was at a funeral last week and spoke to some mourners using 'it is appointed once for a man to die and then judgement'
should i use high theology in these circumstances ?
Yes I certainly agree with your conclusions Charles.

It seems clear to me that we are predestinated unto:
#1 good works
#2 the image of Christ
#3 eternal salvation

So no matter what the verse is saying, if we are predestinated unto one, we are predestinated unto the other. Either way, the choice is Jesus's not ours. For our own nature is in rebellion against God, and needs subduing before we will ever consider our lost estate.

It is amazing grace that saved a wretch like me, and it was not merely a grace that was "willing" to save me, but a grace that "covenanted" to save me - despite myself!

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News Item3/15/10 12:17 PM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
Mike wrote:
to his disciples, who are believers. What has he chosen them to do? That they (his disciples) "should go and bring forth fruit..." You have to stretch the verse, read into it to find it refers to their salvation. But isn't that what "high theology" does? Stretch?
im afraid charactar limit forbade me use the whole verse but if you include the rest of it is the meaning differnt in any way ? Of course not, Jesus chose his disciples as we know from oter parts of scripture

If you have been to theology school and read the bible closely you will see that Jesus chooses his disciples, otherwis im afraid its just impossible to understand !

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News Item3/15/10 12:01 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
princecharles wrote:
---
John 15v16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,
this is of course hugely difficult to grasp and very controversial, Jesus seems to be saying that He chose us, not the other way around ! I have had endless debates (with arminists) but one needs to work thru the difficult theology to progress !
i was at a funeral last week and spoke to some mourners using 'it is appointed once for a man to die and then judgement'
should i use high theology in these circumstances ?
No, but would it not be better to use the whole verse, in the context, to see who has been chosen to do what?

John 15:3
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

John 15:16
Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Jesus is at the last supper, speaking to his disciples, who are believers. What has he chosen them to do? That they (his disciples) "should go and bring forth fruit..." You have to stretch the verse, read into it to find it refers to their salvation. But isn't that what "high theology" does? Stretch?

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News Item3/15/10 10:22 AM
princecharles | anglesey uk  Contact via emailFind all comments by princecharles
John UK wrote:
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV
yes john i believe your (hermaneutics ?) are spot on ! passages like this are always controversial and considerable years of theological study must be devoted to them before the full meaning can be grasped some more :

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life

now in the original greek verily verily means truly truly to emphasis the point Jesus is making he is saying make no mistake, with a certainty I tell you, in the original text everlastingf means forever, eternity,
mmm not at all easy to grasp
here is another :

John 15v16

Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you,

this is of course hugely difficult to grasp and very controversial, Jesus seems to be saying that He chose us, not the other way around ! I have had endless debates (with arminists) but one needs to work thru the difficult theology to progress !

i was at a funeral last week and spoke to some mourners using 'it is appointed once for a man to die and then judgement'
should i use high theology in these circumstances ?

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News Item3/15/10 5:24 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:8-9 KJV

And "that" not of yourselves.

If you read the verse and emphasise the word "that", it seems to me it is referring to what has immediately gone before, namely, "faith".

To carry on then to "it" is the gift of God, it seems to me that "it" is the same as what has gone immediately before, namely, "that", namely, "faith".

The more I read this verse, the more I am convinced.

I heartily recommend meditation on any verse of the Bible; first memorise it, so that you can speak it out at any time of the day or night then, while speaking it out in a prayerful, meditative manner, ponder what the Spirit is trying to communicate in that verse.

This is the wonderful miracle of being Spirit-taught, eh Michael?

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News Item3/15/10 12:59 AM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Mike/New York,

So, is our belief of works or of grace?
Also, wondering if you consider belief a righteous act?

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News Item3/14/10 7:28 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
wrought wrote:
Oh dear Mike.
For almost six years now I've been trying to teach you the truth!
What am I going to do with you.
---
What hath God, wrought? That's what I try to search out. If something comes to light, there is little anyone can do to dissuade. But I do enjoy having to think on these things. Iron sharpens iron, I've heard tell.

About cookies and Ephesians 2:8-

Though my cookie analogy may be limited, what is none the less missed is this- it is the cookie that is the gift, not my hunger for it, regardless of where that hunger came from.

Eph 2:8 Salvation by grace is the gift. Always has been.

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News Item3/14/10 4:35 PM
here24  Find all comments by here24
Michael Hranek wrote:
To think what Jesus thinks
To love who and what Jesus loves and how He loves
To desire what He desires
To rejoice in what He is pleased with
To hate what Jesus hates
To have Christ's aims
To have the faith of Christ in our serving
To live obediently to the Word as Christ did, valuing it as He did
To have the Holiness of Christ in our attitude and our behavior
MORE
I've sure alot of growing to do in this!
Biblically teaching

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
22 But the FRUIT of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, FAITH,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another"

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