Homeschooling: German Family Gets Political Asylum in U.S.
The Romeikes are not your typical asylum seekers. They did not come to the U.S. to flee war or despotism in their native land. No, these music teachers left Germany because they didn't like what their children were learning in public school - and because homeschooling is illegal there.
"It's our fundamental right to decide how we want to teach our children," says Uwe Romeike, an Evangelical Christian and a concert pianist who sold his treasured Steinway to help pay for the move.
Romeike decided to uproot his family in 2008 after he and his wife had accrued about $10,000 in fines for homeschooling their three oldest children and police had turned up at their doorstep and escorted them to school. "My kids were crying, but nobody seemed to care," Romeike says of the incident....
Homeschooling is a wonderful priveledge that is available in Canada and the USA. Jihadists come from everywhere so you can't blame homeschooling for that. I will never subject my children to sucular humanism and evolution in the public school system and I praise the German family for wanting to escape such horrible and nasty tyranny as found in Germany. What a horrible place that the government would fine good parents for wanting to homeschool their children.
Jim, you enjoy being a little Caesar - your own little false Christ.
Separation of the church and the religion of Statism is surely scriptural, so why do you and your fellow disciples of the false church demand that the true church conform to the commandments of men and threaten them with violence if they don't?
Jim, I think understand your mentality. You desire a certain outcome: no non-Christians or anyone else who doesn't think like Gil Rugh, so that determines your politics, regardless of its gross inconsistency. So hereafter, since you like to label people with odious titles, I'll reciprocate & call you a smorgasbord Theonomist, since you are one with respect to immigration law & foreign relations.
Neil, the Founding Fathers, took note they lived in a culture that had a Judeo-Christian background, though of course many were Free Masons, almost all disliked mixing religion with politics, like the English, for example, and of course even more so, the Roman Catholic countries of Europe. I enjoy living in a democracy, which one can't say is a Christian form of government, the "pursuit of happiness" is not a biblical ideal either. What I appreciate is the separation of Church and State, now that is a good Christian idea. Of course it is silly to think we are in the Kingdom now! The Prophesied Kingdom, part 1 and The Prophesied Kingdom, part 2 If nothing else read the summaries to these sermons.
So, no, I don't want to import any more people who want to mix government and religion, be they Muslim, Christian, Communist, or whatever. I hope these latest immigrants don't want to practice Theonomy.
Peter Falk's Columbo character drove a grungy Peugeot 403 convertible, to be exact. We should emulate Columbo's technique with unbelievers - humbly ask pertinent questions.
Peugeot stopped marketing in America years ago. Too bad the French didn't try harder; after all, British models still sell here, yet are usually no more reliable (don't get mad, I like British cars, at least the old ones - I had an MGB once, & the Jag Mk. 2 saloons still look good).
A relative of ours once had a CitroÃ«n DS, very rare in America. Fascinating car, really advanced for its time.
Mike wrote: Feeling a bit persecuted, eh? It certainly is rough living here, but never fear, it will probably live down to your expectations sooner or later.
Thanks Mike for making I larf just before turning in.
Just thought I'd let you know about Columbo. For years I wondered how the Americans could produce such an ugly convertible he drives around in. Just learned this last week that it's not American, but Frenchy....it's a Peugot!
Kingdom Citizen wrote: It is a bad and immoral American tradition to be a place of religious persecution. Always has, and will always be - until Christ returns. We certainly need more citizens of the kingdom of heaven who give homage and allegiance to the Lord rather than "U.S. Citizens" who give homage and allegiance to man.
Feeling a bit persecuted, eh? It certainly is rough living here, but never fear, it will probably live down to your expectations sooner or later.
"Why, Neil, I'm glad you remember we were a Masonic Republic!"
I remember that you *said* it - please don't strawman me. I was only assuming that nonsense for the sake of argument, to show a gross double-standard in your thinking. Like Theonomists, you want immigration courts to practice religious discrimination, but unlike Theonomists, you denounce religion in politics & prefer a state w/o laws having religious (Biblical) origins. This is insane - you're trying to have it both ways. A secular state ceases to be secular when it legally favors one form of belief over another.
"There are certainly some better public schools then some home schoolers." Depends upon what you mean by "better." In any case, an imprecise assertion without proof. I think you just like tossing your half-baked opinions around without taking much trouble to defend them. Well at least this seems consistent with public school pedagogy.
BTW, you forget that the German Christian homeschoolers faced a *real* legal threat to their educational liberty - not just any immigrant can claim this.
No, Guiness, I oppose Muslims coming here as I have already pointed out, The Danger Within: Militant Islam in America. There are certainly some better public schools then some home schoolers, unfortunately, only the children can blame incompetent parents.
Why, Neil, I'm glad you remember we were a Masonic Republic! Something that Muslims and those who practice Theonomy are a menace to -- and to Christianity also. I would like to have both banned from this country! They are two of kind actually.
Of course, this country will deteriorate , q.v., Eschatology, I just don't want to say I helped contribute to its downfall.
I have no problem with Christians and Jews coming to the U.S., or even a limited number of moderate Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. who will support the secular, democratic U.S. state.
jpw wrote: Well, every once in awhile the story has a happy ending. Homeschooling, what a worthy profession! I am glad to see a persecuted family being given refuge.
As a non-American Christian homeschooling family it is gratifying to see a potential place of refuge in the event of persecution at home (may it never be!).
It is a good and noble American tradition to be a place of refuge for those suffering persecution for their religion.
"Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
I too am sorry to see that Jim would oppose Christians coming to have liberty and freedom of religion.
Jim's concern about a legal precedent for non-Christian homeschool asylum-seekers should be evaluated in light of his argument elsewhere that America is a Masonic republic, not a Christian one (to his evident relief).
Now if this is so, then he has no grounds to object, since Freemasons accept a wide range of religious beliefs from their candidates.
Jim Lincoln wrote: I wanted the point that homeschooling by Muslims could very well be turning out Jihadists. In effect I was pointing out that we don't need another lame excuse, no matter how worthy this German couple's reasons may be, in coming to this country. I just don't want to see people who are a menace to the American way of life as much as any Communist has been, entering the country under the excuse, such as they can't home school!.
Jim, since you're a statist and a little Caesar, I think it is you and the many others like you who are a menace to the believer's way of life, wherever you may be!
No Jim, I simply doubt your sanity in making such a ridiculously obvious & thus pointless statement. Or maybe I misunderstood, & you're implying it's not so important for gov't schoolteachers to do the best job they can - failure *is* an option for them, for they can always blame the stupid parents.
I must conclude you'd prefer to deny asylum, even to Anabaptists perhaps, for the "lame pretext" of educational liberty, just to make sure Reds & other reprobates don't creep in under the same rationale.
Neil, you mean you doubt that homeschooling parents should do the best job that they can(?)
It depends on the public school system, how well children learn everything they should. In many places in Nebraska the answer is "yes," in the Chicago school system the answer is invariably "no." Ok, I don't know about every public school in Chicago, who knows there might be a decent one. My original comment had nothing to do with the quality of home schooling or public schools! Some home school parents are no doubt terrible at it, and some public schools are very good at educating children in all the niceties of education.
My first had nothing to do with home schooling in the U.S.! I wanted the point that homeschooling by Muslims could very well be turning out Jihadists. In effect I was pointing out that we don't need another lame excuse, no matter how worthy this German couple's reasons may be, in coming to this country. I just don't want to see people who are a menace to the American way of life as much as any Communist has been, entering the country under the excuse, such as they can't home school! The Danger Within: Militant Islam in America.
"people who home school for academic work should do the job as best they can."
You really think so?
"Real home schooling means that children can cope with the outside world"
Sounds like Horace Mann & John Dewey. Yet anecdotally, we've seen that public school students are the ones most likely to have coping issues (such as lack of basic etiquette, semi-literacy, foul mouths, & Halloween wardrobes), not so much homeschool grads. Ever heard of "Emo" personalities, all feeling & no thinking? That's another example.
Neil, homeschooling is more than academic work, and of course people who home school for academic work should do the job as best they can.
Real home schooling means that children can cope with the outside world,
Alexander Pope (A good Catholic?) said this,
"'Tis education forms the common mind, Just as the twig is bent, the tree's inclined."
So, the influence of parents are the main influence be the children home schooled or not. However, this sanctuary has nothing to do with home school rights in this country at all, which are generally well protected. Links To State Laws & Organizations For Homeschoolers.
Perhaps we might, but so what? How would that be any worse than the non-Christian stew fed to gov't school students? Is there any serious possibility that a child of unbelievers would learn the Gospel at public school more than he would at home?
Should we burn our bed of homeschool rights to catch the flea of non-Christian homeshooling?