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WEDNESDAY, JAN 20, 2010  |  14 comments
'Persecuted' homeschoolers seek asylum in U.S.
A ruling could come as soon as tomorrow on a request by a German family for political asylum in the United States because of the persecutionthey would face, including fines and possible jail terms, for homeschooling their children in their home country.

"The persecution of homeschoolers in Germany has dramatically intensified," Michael P. Donnelly, staff attorney for the Home School Legal Defense Association, confirmed today. "They are regularly fined thousands of dollars, threatened with imprisonment, or have the custody of their children taken away simply because they choose to home educate."

A hearing has been scheduled tomorrow before a federal immigration judge in Memphis, Tenn., on the request from Uwe and Hannelore Romeike, who fled Germany for the U.S. because of the threats they faced over their decision to homeschool their own children. ...


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News Item1/24/10 3:49 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, Kingdom Citizen, I just did help you out that, but if you mean the The Universal Kingdom of God, why everyone is a member of that!
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
1. This kingdom exists without interruption
throughout all time.
2. This kingdom includes all creation.
3. Divine control is usually exercised
providentially.
4. Sometimes God exercises His control by direct
means.
5. The universal kingdom always exists
efficaciously, always effectively accomplishing God's
purposes.
but why am I thinking you really mean something else?

Neil, I just had to help out since it was requested!

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News Item1/22/10 7:49 PM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Neil wrote:
How would a college demanding a student SSN on its application prove that it aligns its curriculum to some national standard ("state religion")? Connect the dots for me, please; for example, supply a .gov URL.
I wasn't speaking particularly about curriculum, but I think that the religious demand would only prove that a curriculum is not aligned to God's standard.

Hope that helps with some of the confusion.

Jim, perhaps you and Gilly can help me out with my last question.

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News Item1/22/10 2:44 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim, please don't start another debate here over your pet subject! I really want K. Citizen to answer my question; also, it's more pertinent to the topic here.
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News Item1/22/10 2:36 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Kingdom Citizen, Neil made an excellent statement to your comment, but your pen name has me wondering do you realize How the Church Relates to the Kingdom?
from the above,
Gil Rugh said or, wrote:
....The Bible does not say the Church is to build the Kingdom. The Bible does not say the Church is the Kingdom.

Confusion is growing concerning what the Church is, what is its responsibility to society, and what the Bible teaches about building the Kingdom....

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News Item1/22/10 11:07 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
How would a college demanding a student SSN on its application prove that it aligns its curriculum to some national standard ("state religion")? Connect the dots for me, please; for example, supply a .gov URL.

It continues to amaze me how rarely the more zealous folks here bother to back up their claims with references to the voluminous amounts of official info now available online. Perhaps it's the same mindset I see in pastors making unsubstantiated assertions from the pulpit.

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News Item1/22/10 10:35 AM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Yes, private universities insist of SSNs, they are standard identification in the U.S.
If independent universities demand the religious ss# from the heathen, then they aren't independent of the State religion.

I wonder if these universities would demand the believer in Christ to conform to Statism in order to participate in their clubs?

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News Item1/21/10 2:50 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
t should be noted that there is a large population of Muhammadans in Germany. I would suppose Germany wants to get them somewhat civilized, and one way to do that is the public school system.
Daniel Pipes wrote:
More than thirteen million Muslims, both immigrants and converts, live today in Western Europe and the United States. In Western Europe, Muslims number about twelve million. Over 3 million Muslims live in France, about 2 million in West Germany, 1½ million in the United Kingdom, and almost a million in Italy. Half a million Muslims live in Belgium....In many West European countries Muslims have replaced Jews as the second largest religious community; they also outnumber Protestants and Jews in France, Catholics in Berlin, and so forth. In North America the numbers are much disputed, with a low of one million and a high of ten;....
from Muslims in the West: Can Conflict Be Averted? The problem is much worse now then when this article was written.

Yes, private universities insist of SSNs, they are standard identification in the U.S.

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News Item1/21/10 12:07 AM
Kingdom Citizen  Find all comments by Kingdom Citizen
I wonder if independent colleges would demand State ID and a ss#.
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News Item1/20/10 6:59 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Yes, that's correct. I was thinking only of universities per se.

Of course, independency is no guarantee you won't get largely the same worldview, but that probably isn't the govt's fault.

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News Item1/20/10 6:57 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Neil wrote:
---
Though there have been numerous attempts (like Bush's "No Child Left Behind"), the US has still failed to centralize its education this far, and the universities remain more (if not completely) independent of the Feds.
Don't know if there are others, but there is one that seems to be completely independent, Hillsdale College (Hillsdale, Michigan)
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News Item1/20/10 5:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"For reasons deeply rooted in history and our belief that only schools properly can ensure the desired level of excellent education, we (Germany) go a little bit beyond that path which other countries have chosen," Gorgens said.

Yeah, a couple of times.

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News Item1/20/10 3:06 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Yes, telling but unsurprising. Both Germany [nee Prussia] & France have a long history of centralized control of education. In Germany's case, Martin Luther bears some responsibility for this. Hitler was not the first.

Though there have been numerous attempts (like Bush's "No Child Left Behind"), the US has still failed to centralize its education this far, and the universities remain more (if not completely) independent of the Feds.

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News Item1/20/10 2:41 PM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
A telling admission.

Lutz Gordens/Gorgens - as per what WND wrote:
Lutz Gordens, German consul general for the southeast U.S., has defended his nation's public education requirements.

"For reasons deeply rooted in history and our belief that only schools properly can ensure the desired level of excellent education, we (Germany) go a little bit beyond that path which other countries have chosen," Gorgens said.

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News Item1/20/10 2:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
If they are Christian, fine let them in. I wonder, however, what happens when you have Muslims that want to come into this country for the same reason?

Home schooling doesn't mean you have you children memorize bible verses.
even though that's good.

Deuteronomy 6
6 "And these words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart;
7 and you shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up.---NASB.

But it is the responsibility of parents to function in the secular world, Come Let Us Reason with the heathen.

Instructions to Husbands, Fathers & Their Wives -- A Study of Men's Roles.

There's nothing wrong in Encouraging and supporting Christian families who educate their children at home.

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