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Choice News WEDNESDAY, NOV 25, 2009  |  143 comments  |  1 commentary
MacArthur: Reasons I am not signing the Manhattan Declaration
John MacArthur's comment on the Manhattan Declaration. Here is the excerpt:

Here are the main reasons I am not signing the Manhattan Declaration, even though a few men whom I love and respect have already affixed their names to it:

• Although I obviously agree with the document’s opposition to same-sex marriage, abortion, and other key moral problems threatening our culture, the document falls far short of identifying the one true and ultimate remedy for all of humanity’s moral ills: the gospel. The gospel is barely mentioned in the Declaration. At one point the statement rightly acknowledges, “It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season”—and then adds an encouraging wish: “May God help us not to fail in that duty.” Yet the gospel itself is nowhere presented (much less explained) in the document or any of the accompanying literature. Indeed, that would be a practical impossibility because of the contradictory views held by the broad range of signatories regarding what the gospel teaches and what it means to be a Christian.

• This is precisely where the document fails most egregiously. It assumes from the start that all signatories are fellow Christians whose only differences have to do with the fact that they represent distinct “communities.” Points of disagreement are tacitly acknowledged but are described as “historic lines of ecclesial differences” rather than fundamental conflicts of doctrine and conviction with regard to the gospel and the question of which teachings are essential to authentic Christianity.

• Instead of acknowledging the true depth of our differences, the implicit assumption (from the start of the document until its final paragraph) is that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant Evangelicals and others all share a common faith in and a common commitment to the gospel’s essential claims. The document repeatedly employs expressions like “we [and] our fellow believers”; “As Christians, we . . .”; and “we claim the heritage of . . . Christians.” That seriously muddles the lines of demarcation between authentic biblical Christianity and various apostate traditions.


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Alan D. Huber | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan D. Huber
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News Item12/10/09 10:54 AM
June  Find all comments by June
Postscript to my most recent comment:
To access the data base of Bishops who have enabled priests to continue their abuse through a policy of relocating them to other dioceses, type the following into the Google or Inquisitor search engine:

Catholic bishops and sex abuse - Database of Diocese & Bishops Involved (Warning: LONG LIST!)

I add this note as I have found that the link I provided in my prior comment (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700708/posts)
does not take you to the specific article to which I have referred in my post.

As I have pointed out, those bishops / archbishops whom I have identified in my prior comment, who have signed the Manhattan Declaration also appear on this list of paedophile enablers.

This list was compiled in 2002 by the Dallas Morning News, but I can assure you, more up-to-date information can be found at the ABUSE TRACKER website that will corroborate their findings.

The moral bankruptcy of these men revealed in their complicity to cover up the criminal activity of their subordinates render them unfit and unqualified to make any public statement denouncing the moral / social ills of our nation . . an inconvenient fact the evangelical co-signers of the M.D. were willing to overlook!

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News Item12/9/09 9:24 PM
June  Find all comments by June
Some inconvenient facts / considerations the evangelical signers of the Manhattan Declaration overlooked in their R.C. contemporaries who they refer to as fellow “Christians”

Some of the prominent R.C. Leaders who signed the Manhattan Declaration, the intent of which was to address moral / social issues in our nation can also be found on a database compiled by the Dallas Morning News in 2002 of those who protected, covered up & relocated known clergy sex abusers to other parishes and/or dioceses where they could continue their pattern of abusing children.
This infor. can be accessed here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700708/posts

BISHOP ROBERT BAKER; BISHOP NICHOLAS DiMARZIO; CARDINAL ADAM MAIDA
ARCHBISHOP JOHN MYERS; ARCHBISHOP JUSTIN RIGALI

Information regarding Timothy Dolan, Archbishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of New York, NY, who also signed the M.D. Can be accessed here: http://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_statements/2009_statements/022309_archbishop_dolans_abysmal_track_record_on_clergy_sex_abuse_and_cover_up.htm

These men do not have the combined MORAL AUTHORITY to address the moral / social issues of the day!

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News Item12/9/09 8:09 PM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan  H
John MacArthur discusses the Manhattan Declaration on Chris Fabry Live

I have some problems with John MacArthur, primarily concerning the Bible Version issue, but concerning this matter I agree with him fully, and I really appreciate his strong stand against any kind of unity with the Roman Catholic church.

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News Item12/8/09 8:53 AM
Sherlock  Find all comments by Sherlock
Knights of Malta and Chuck Colson brings you this... When you Google

GRAND GLOBAL MERGER OF ALL BLACK MAGICK FORCES OCCURRED WHEN POPE ...
J. Peter Grace, Head of the American branch of the Knights of Malta. ... Charles Colson is identified by Vatican Assassins as a "Pro-Jesuit Protestant"! ...

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News Item12/8/09 7:20 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
June wrote:
Chuck Colson + Evangelicals & Catholics Together Document + Manhattan Declaration Document + the Jesuits . . this man has connected the dots!
“It is no surprise, that in Chuck Colson's book, “The Body”, he proposes that Protestants cease all attacks on Catholicism and the Pope and unite with Papal Rome to fight the common enemy of “immorality” and “secular humanism” in the culture. This is nothing more than an abandonment of the Doctrines of Grace and the Reformation!”
Chuck Colson seems content to turn a blind eye to the rampant immorality in view in the R.C.C.'s clergy sex abuse scandal!
Now Read: Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction / http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html
Chuck Colson gets one of these:

He is God's enemy.

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News Item12/7/09 8:41 PM
June  Find all comments by June
Chuck Colson + Evangelicals & Catholics Together Document + Manhattan Declaration Document + the Jesuits . . this man has connected the dots!

Online book - copyrighted
'Swarms of Locusts – The Jesuit Attack on the Faith'
by: Michael Bunker

http://books.google.com/books?id=UKd93mCgF0oC&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=Chuck+Colson+%2B+Jesuits&source=bl&ots=4iOulri1xf&sig=1-WLsBvAsYSqrBrbWPMI0cXXF6I&hl=en&ei=IaYdS8vdBJKEnQe35LXSAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CBoQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=Chuck%20Colson%20%2B%20Jesuits&f=false

Section on Chuck Colson and his Jesuit connections – Pages 107-110

“It is no surprise, that in Chuck Colson's book, “The Body”, he proposes that Protestants cease all attacks on Catholicism and the Pope and unite with Papal Rome to fight the common enemy of “immorality” and “secular humanism” in the culture. This is nothing more than an abandonment of the Doctrines of Grace and the Reformation!”

Chuck Colson seems content to turn a blind eye to the rampant immorality in view in the R.C.C.'s clergy sex abuse scandal!
Now Read: Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction / http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

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News Item12/7/09 7:03 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Faith is the gift? You wrong, but me no bite bait today.
I know, Mike. You reckon salvation is the gift, and faith the hand that receives it.
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News Item12/7/09 6:15 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
theolshock wrote:

I thought you said you were not an Arminian.
Don't forget "Faith" is the gift.
No Arminian here.

Faith is the gift? You wrong, but me no bite bait today.

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News Item12/7/09 4:46 PM
theolshock  Find all comments by theolshock
Mike wrote:
Indeed, along with some of the Reformed, who seem to be satisfied not wandering too far from the mother church in the first place.

The elect therefore will not achieve anything of consequence by adding their names, will they? Hasn't it all been foreordained, such that either doing or not doing something changes nothing?

I thought you said you were not an Arminian.

Don't forget "Faith" is the gift.

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News Item12/7/09 4:13 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
theolshock wrote:
The idea that the Manhattan Declaration can cause some sort of ecumenical catastrophe is so far from common sense that I am really worried that we have been invaded by a bunch of Arminians - Who are half way to Rome anyway.
Indeed, along with some of the Reformed, who seem to be satisfied not wandering too far from the mother church in the first place.

theolshock wrote:
Note. The Elect will not loose their salvation if they add their names to a complaint about the current moral decline in society.
You folks panicking about the demise of the churches through perceived ecumenical pollution, do know this simple fact.
Don't you.
The elect therefore will not achieve anything of consequence by adding their names, will they? Hasn't it all been foreordained, such that either doing or not doing something changes nothing?
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News Item12/7/09 3:53 PM
theolshock  Find all comments by theolshock
The idea that the Manhattan Declaration can cause some sort of ecumenical catastrophe is so far from common sense that I am really worried that we have been invaded by a bunch of Arminians - Who are half way to Rome anyway.

Note. The Elect will not loose their salvation if they add their names to a complaint about the current moral decline in society.

You folks panicking about the demise of the churches through perceived ecumenical pollution, do know this simple fact.
Don't you.

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News Item12/7/09 3:42 PM
June  Find all comments by June
Chuck Colson is the main evangelical involved in crafting the Manhattan Declaration

Maybe he's really a Jesuit

Jesuit Extreme Oath of Induction / http://www.reformation.org/jesuit-oath.html

Excerpt from the Oath:

Superior:
"My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant, and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope."

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News Item12/7/09 9:36 AM
June  Find all comments by June
P.S. . . Re: my most recent comment: the last sentence should read:

May God grant to each of these misguided "Christian leaders the grace and humility to heed the stern and loving rebuke of Pastor Ovadal to publicly repudiate this document.
*******
Charles Spurgeon's solemn warning applies today:

"Dignitaries of the papal confederacy are just now very prominent in benevolent movements, and we may be sure that they have ends to serve other than those which strike the public eye. A priest lives only for his church; he may profess to have other objects, but this is a mere blind. Our ancient enemies have small belief in our common sense if they imagine that we shall ever be able to trust them, after having so often beheld the depths of Jesuitical cunning and duplicity. The sooner we let certain Archbishops and Cardinals know that we are aware of their designs, and will in nothing co-operate with them, the better for us and our country. "No peace with Rome" is the motto of reason as well as of religion."

***Rome's strategy: 'Divide & Conquer'

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News Item12/6/09 9:55 PM
June  Find all comments by June
Alan H wrote:
“Sounds like the Manhattan Declaration was written by Pope John Paul.”
*******
You are so right Alan. I just now listened to the sermon entitled 'Manhattan Declaration: Manifesto of Treason' by Pastor Ovadal. It was time well-spent!

The language of Rome is always characterized by confusion, deception and ambiguity & this sinister document bears all those marks & betrays its author as none other than the pope of Rome. You can be sure the devil is in the detail.

Pastor Ovadal's remark: “It is just sheer folly to provoke the LORD by yoking with idolaters and making alliances with darkness in hopes of being delivered from the prince of darkenss.” says it all.
The Cause of Rome is antithetical & antagonistic to, and at variance with the Cause of Christ. There cannot be any agreement forged with those who flaunt & promote idolatry. The thoughtful & careful analysis Pastor Ovadal gives in exposing the Manhattan Document as yet another Romish-driven ecumenical initiative & the plainness of speech with which he rebukes those evangelical signatories of this diabolical document is a wake up call to the professing church of Jesus Christ.

May God grant to each of these misguided Christian leaders who have publicly endorsed the M.D. the grace to publicly repudi

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News Item12/6/09 8:07 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Alan H.,

Right on. Of course it is easy for Papa Paul and Rome to state that action leads to faith here because performance is their sandy foundation and craftiness is their creed.

They speak of a Christ who died for sin but of course it was imperfect and therefore insufficient. Not realizing that He is our righteousness and our Lamb of God, without spot and blemish they go onward and downward without a Biblical total confidence and eternal hope.

Ecumenism is on the horizon.

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News Item12/6/09 1:22 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
jikal wrote:
But here is an interesting statement by Charlie Spurgeon for you.....
"That God predestines, and that man is responsible, are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory; but they are not. It is just the fault of our weak judgment. Two truths cannot be contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one place that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and if I find in another place that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is my folly that leads me to imagine that two truths can ever contradict each other. These two truths, I do not believe, can ever be welded into one upon any human anvil, but one they shall be in eternity: they are two lines that are so nearly parallel, that the mind that shall pursue them farthest, will never discover that they converge; but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring." CHS
Excellent quotation by Ingleesi, one which I was greatly helped by as a young Christian in the early 80's. Indeed Ingleesi was a huge help to me in regard to all the doctrines of grace.

Responsibility? Yes, perhaps that is a better word.

Good on yer

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News Item12/6/09 1:05 PM
jikal  Find all comments by jikal
John UK wrote:
Do we need any more to accomplish this? No! We have everything we need for life and godliness. If a man is in Christ, he has all, and has need of nothing else
I must admit John I prefer the term "responsibility" rather than "accountability."
But here is an intertesting statement by Charlie Spurgeon for you.....

"That God predestines, and that man is responsible, are two things that few can see. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory; but they are not. It is just the fault of our weak judgment. Two truths cannot be contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one place that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and if I find in another place that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is my folly that leads me to imagine that two truths can ever contradict each other. These two truths, I do not believe, can ever be welded into one upon any human anvil, but one they shall be in eternity: they are two lines that are so nearly parallel, that the mind that shall pursue them farthest, will never discover that they converge; but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring." CHS

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News Item12/6/09 11:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
jikal wrote:
Tell me John do you believe in the election of God by God as He has chosen the elect before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4,5?
Certainly.

Notice:

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:10-11 KJV

Do what things?

Be dilligent to add to your faith: virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, charity. vv 5-7.

Do we have the power to acomplish this?

According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
2 Peter 1:3-4 KJV

Do we need any more to accomplish this? No! We have everything we need for life and godliness. If a man is in Christ, he has all, and has need of nothing else.

I only mentioned rewards in heaven, not penalty due to sins.

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News Item12/6/09 10:58 AM
jikal  Find all comments by jikal
John UK wrote:
we shall be judged in accordance to our works with regard to reward in heaven. Some works will be judged to have been outside of God's will and shall be 'burnt up'. Others, acomplished as part of God's will shall result in rewards in heaven. This is accountability.
Also you have our loving Father chastising us when we sin
So what you are saying John is that we will be judged and penalised twice, for our sins, - once on earth and once in heaven.
Do you see that as being just???

Tell me John do you believe in the election of God by God as He has chosen the elect before the foundation of the world. Eph 1:4,5.?
Or like the RC-Arminian do you believe God's judgment relies on how we perform? (Works)

Also do you think that "grace" enables us to serve God in Christ?
Eph 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the MEASURE of the gift of Christ.

And what about "faith" John, do our abilities coincide with the measure of faith we receive?
Ro 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the MEASURE of faith.

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