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FRIDAY, NOV 20, 2009  |  25 comments
'Holy hip-hop' trying to break into mainstream
Terverius Black believes in hip-hop gospel so much he sold his first home to get the money needed to start his Christian-themed entertainment company.

It was a risky move, but the 34-year-old entrepreneur believes the company's diversity, which is producing music, a film, a reality television show and a gospel cruise, will help boost a struggling genre of Christian music.


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kenny  Find all comments by kenny
John in the UK wrote:

"The gospel needs to be preached by men with the world at their back, the good book (AV) in their hand, and their face looking upward to heaven. These men should be grave, because their message is a message from GOD, and woe unto them if they have corrupted it or preached it in a lighthearted way. Mens' eternal destinies are at stake here. They perish or get saved!"

Amen!

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News Item11/23/09 5:36 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Byran wrote:
All of this from people who probably don't preach the Gospel to anyone. a recent survey said only 2 % of the church does this intentionally.
People talk a big game but really never back up the stuff they say.
Are you preaching the Gospel. O Yeah, so why don't you start with the hip hop crowd, or are you to good for that. Got a opinion on sharing the gospel through rap is wrong but you are not going to be part of the solution to help these people here the gospel.
Bryan TX
I kind of like your post. That doesn't mean I am getting it where you are coming from and I might not agree with where you stand.

BUT Are we not to preach the gospel to every creature, essentially to everyone everywhere NOT to just a select few we are comfortable with. Wow! Will this ever take humbling ourselves before God as it is so easy to "preach to the choir", to those who "like us" but it is another thing to give GOOD NEWS and the gospel is Good News to those who hate God and hate us as well, people who aren't like us....maybe Jews, or Muslims, or Catholics, or pagans, maybe dirt poor or rich beyond imagination or well educated or illiterate, wise and foolish, well behaved or convicts, moral, amoral, immoral

Thanks for the reminder.

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News Item11/23/09 5:02 AM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
"NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Terverius Black believes in hip-hop gospel so much he sold his first home to get the money needed to start his Christian-themed *entertainment* company.
It was a risky move, but the 34-year-old entrepreneur believes the company's diversity, which is producing music, a film, a reality television show and a *gospel cruise*, will help boost a struggling genre of Christian music."

It's a business, pure and simple. And a business needs to make money. I really don't think you'll find THE GOSPEL preached in these songs, and the gospel never was designed to be entertaining.

The air waves for radio and TV are filled with unbiblical "Christian" broadcasters, whose message is only designed to fetch more tares into the barn.

The gospel needs to be preached by men with the world at their back, the good book (AV) in their hand, and their face looking upward to heaven. These men should be grave, because their message is a message from GOD, and woe unto them if they have corrupted it or preached it in a lighthearted way. Mens' eternal destinies are at stake here. They perish or get saved!

For the PREACHING of the CROSS is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 1:18 KJV

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News Item11/22/09 8:12 PM
Frank Dombrosky | Texas  Find all comments by Frank Dombrosky
Bryan has some interesting points it seems. I would not be surprised if only 2% of the church gives out the gospel. We'd rather invite sinners to the next church supper. MAYBE they'll hear the gospel.

Also, we should attempt to reach ALL with the gospel of Jesus Christ. NO PERSON should be left out. However, we should never lower Bible standards to do so.

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News Item11/22/09 7:56 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
I'll preach the Gospel to anyone who will listen. Do you (Bryan) know anyone in the 'hip hop crowd' who is interested? How do you know that I haven't? What is it that makes YOU believe (no one else has insinuated that) that the hip hop crowd is in anyway inferior to anyone else here? We're all sinners.

Do you (Bryan) have anything intelligent or of substance to add to this thread or did you just decide to express your baseless disdain for those of us who do?

I'm always willing to help anyone, anywhere 'here' (I'm assuming you meant 'hear') the Gospel.

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News Item11/22/09 7:02 PM
Byran | Texas  Find all comments by Byran
All of this from people who probably don't preach the Gospel to anyone. a recent survey said only 2 % of the church does this intentionally.
People talk a big game but really never back up the stuff they say.

Are you preaching the Gospel. O Yeah, so why don't you start with the hip hop crowd, or are you to good for that. Got a opinion on sharing the gospel through rap is wrong but you are not going to be part of the solution to help these people here the gospel.

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News Item11/22/09 12:22 PM
rhymnrzn2zion | D-TON OH  Contact via emailFind all comments by rhymnrzn2zion
Jesus Christ the Lord indicated that there's a difference between the righteous man's reward, and the prophet's reward, perhaps because the prophet should not expect that the righteous man will take to everything that the LORD his God called his fellow to abide in.

If any man that is called a brother wants to go beyond, and condemn the guiltless, and put his brethren to nought, and wants to cite offences contrary to the gospel, then that man sins without the body: he will bear his own reproach.

Now, Holy Hip Hop has many good examples of what the prophets can do: but much is also vain. As the Lord's voice divideth the flames of fire, and the Lord maketh his ministers a flame of fire, so can men prophesy over minstrels, piano keys, tabrets or stringed instruments, or dubplates; yet it is out of the abundance of anyone's heart, that we speak, reguardless. If it be not with battles of shaking, bold and sharp, it does not minister to my needs, just like when they make Jesus into lovely songs with pleasant voices, but their hearts go after their covetousness.

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News Item11/22/09 10:16 AM
Frank Dombrosky | Texas  Find all comments by Frank Dombrosky
I agree, guys. We are trying to "pretty up" the gospel. You know, decorate it real nice so that it is not so unpleasant to anyone. The only problem with that is the fact that the gospel of Jesus Christ IS unpleasant to the natural, unsaved person. Nothing can change that.

However, I believe there is a more subtle problem than the worldly pleasures found in our churches. Many pastors are so infected with the "numbers" disease that they'll do just about anything to have a big (and bigger) crowd. A large number of people is fine, IF you have a passion to reach the lost. But many pastors, I'm afraid, are more interested in the image of their churches.

None of these things influenced the apostle Paul. He never felt the need to dilute or pollute the gospel to make it attractive. He just went out into a hostile world, preached the pure gospel, saw multitudes saved and turned the world upside down. That's the way God works. He ALWAYS blesses and honors the Word of God. Of course, Paul suffered greatly for his actions. He was persecuted, not "popular". Oh, that we would do as much!!

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News Item11/22/09 7:35 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Michael Hranek wrote:
In such an environment would any teenager in their right mind think the adults promoting and approving such an event see any need to deny yourself take up your cross and follow Jesus Christ?
Rick Alabama
Please see what I posted below
And think with me.

Is it that such "entertainments" hip hop and all night blow out youth events are so popular with modern day "Churches" and the parents who are members in these "Churches" because in part it makes people or the youth the teenagers in our homes "happy" it pascifies them and gives us the illusion of a peaceful home? At least for a little while and doesn't take humbling ourselves before God and seeking His face on our parts that He might truly change us until He does.

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News Item11/22/09 5:31 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Rick wrote:
Well; what's next Christian satanism in order to reach devil worshipers. Or chistian pornography? It will be christian cause it don't have any cuss words. They just ask for "Due Benevolence" and they will have some christian rap playing in the background. That way, peolpe will watch it and want to get saved, cause we're just like them.
Rick Alabama
We recently had a 'Massive Youth Event' here. It was supposed to have and probably did have a gospel message.

Here is their promotional comment on what these events are:
"An extreme all night, adrenaline - pumping, non-stop student event! Fifty thousand plus attend each year!Incredible sporting events, "controlled and chaotic" youth rallies, pizza everywhere plus all night activities like skating, bowling, basketball and go-karts. Christ is preached in a clear Gospel message and an invitation is extended. Students talk this one up!"

Sounds like the promoters of such events and the youth pastors who lead their teens to them won't really have a problem with "Christian Hip Hop".

In such an environment would any teenager in their right mind think the adults promoting and approving such an event see any need to deny yourself take up your cross and follow Jesus Christ?

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News Item11/21/09 11:20 PM
Rick | Alabama  Find all comments by Rick
Well; what's next Christian satanism in order to reach devil worshipers. Or chistian pornography? It will be christian cause it don't have any cuss words. They just ask for "Due Benevolence" and they will have some christian rap playing in the background. That way, peolpe will watch it and want to get saved, cause we're just like them.
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News Item11/21/09 4:36 PM
Frank Dombrosky | Texas  Find all comments by Frank Dombrosky
The church desires to look, sound and act like the world. Reason? To attract the world. Result? The world is not impressed. It knows a phony when it sees one. When a sinner sincerely seeks God he doesn't need more of what he already has. He knows it doesn't work. He looks for and expects something different. He wants reality. That's why the church in Acts was so mightily used of God. It WAS different. It didn't try to look, sound and act like the world at that time. God has promised to honor the Word above all--nothing else. The church in Acts understood that.

As long as the church attempts to hold the Lord with one hand and the world with the other it will remain weak and powerless.

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News Item11/21/09 1:50 PM
Trog  Find all comments by Trog
John UK wrote:
How many true believers in churches have sung hymns or psalms without the heart reality?
John. Only the Elect can praise God anyway, and their hearts are "wrought" by the Holy Spirit.

On that point surely we find the instruction of prayer valid, viz.....
Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered."

Since God only hears the prayers of HIS Elect, shouldn't it be just as true of praise?

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News Item11/21/09 12:58 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
"We call music "Hymns" now but it would be naive (and arrogant) of us to believe that we are playing the same songs that were spoken of in Eph and Col."

Naive and arrogant? I would go so far as to say that I can tell you exactly the songs that were spoken of in those two verses: God's own inspired book of songs, The Psalms. That's all the church sang until centuries later when men like Gadsby and Wesley began composing man-made, uninspired hymns. Look up 'psalms, hymns and spiritual songs' in your Greek dictionary and lexicon. They were singing God's Psalms. Also, name me a hymn that was written 1500 years ago (other than the ones in Scripture).

You are arguing a weak point as far as I'm concerned because I don't have much use for most of the hymns we sing in church, either. Most of them are doctrinally questionable at best and many of them are downright wrong or silly. (But they are still far better than the mindless, repetitive, nonsensical 'praise choruses' that have become all the rage - mainly to line the pockets of the writers and entertain worldings). If I could find a sound church in my area that sang the Metrical Psalms unaccompanied by ANY instruments I would be on the front row every week.

Worship music isn't for us, it's for God - not our amusement.

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News Item11/21/09 12:57 PM
JustADude | The Word  Find all comments by JustADude
Frank, I couldn't agree with you more: God's Word is sufficient. I am in no way arguing anything on those terms

Rap is not wrong. People can sin in rap, but the sin is pride, lewdness, etc, but not necessarily the rap, that's just where it shows up. That is all.

And as far as proper music in church goes: "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs" can have drums and guitar as long as they are done for the same reason as piano and organ. Again, it goes back to the heart, not the type of music (as long as that type isn't sin itself).

And we are free to enjoy emotions, sounds, and feelings that music evokes. God created those and designed them to be enjoyed with Him and not all human feeling is the "flesh" spoken of in Galations: 5:19-21. WHile they should NEVER be reason or the focus we sing they aren't inherently evil.

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News Item11/21/09 12:53 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Frank Dombrosky wrote:
As for the proper music in church, we are told to sing "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs". This is not the kind of music that appeals to the flesh. This is not worldly, carnal music.
I do agree with all that you are holding forth, bro. And the subject is a very difficult one.

This very afternoon I watched the Wales v Argentina rugby international, and as usual, the Welsh supporters were singing away with "hymns and arias" including their all-time favourite "Guide me O thou great Jehovah". I just mention that because it is not so much the song that counts, but the heart from which it is sung. How many true believers in churches have sung hymns or psalms without the heart reality? I know for sure I have on many occasions. "This people draw near to me with their lips, but their heart is far fom me."

That apart, I agree with what yourself and Kenny have said, and I believe that we are seeing an increasing apostasy in most churches, largely due to changing from the AV, which leads to changing the hymn-book, to taking out the pews and pulpit, to wearing shorts, to having 'musical evenings' to the use of the guitar and drums, to the softening of the gospel, and, thus eventually to.......apostasy!

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News Item11/21/09 11:57 AM
Frank Dombrosky | Texas  Find all comments by Frank Dombrosky
Again, it all comes back to this: God's Word is sufficient. When churches began to replace the importance of preaching the Bible with worldly compromise it was fatal. The mighty revivals of the past were the direct result of men of God preaching the Word of God. Worldliness? None! Compromise? None! Pure preaching of the Bible and nothing else. Now, of course, worldly methods are used because the Bible has been mostly laid aside for something fleshly and entertaining. We must "help" God. The result is to be expected--weak churches, spiritually immature Christians and no true revival.

As for the proper music in church, we are told to sing "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs". This is not the kind of music that appeals to the flesh. This is not worldly, carnal music. If you hear music you should not have to wonder if it is spiritual or secular. There should be no doubt. How many rock concerts include the singing of hymns? None. You can be certain of that. Sadly, many churches sound like a rock concert. The world does not compromise, but the church does. SHAMEFUL!

My prayer is that the church of the Lord Jesus Christ will return to the Word of God and stay there.

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News Item11/21/09 11:44 AM
JustADude | The Word  Find all comments by JustADude
Porn and dirty jokes would be sin. Rap isn't sin.
People can do anything out of pride, but pride is the sin. If I spoke out of pride it would be sin but that certainly doesn't make speaking sinful.

Ephesians 5.19 or Colossians 3.16 both use the Greek word Humnos to refer to a "Hymn" or "religious Ode" or one of the psalms.

I completely agree that worship music is not for our entertainment but for the glory of God. There is nothing for us to argue there. Songs written to beats and electric guitar can be as Glorifying to the Lord as those written to piano and can fall into the category of "Humnos". If the argument is made that they shouldn't because they aren't mentioned in those two verses, well neither pianos or all the hymns written in the last 1500 years were mentioned there as well.
We call music "Hymns" now but it would be naive (and arrogant) of us to believe that we are playing the same songs that were spoken of in Eph and Col.
Sooo.... the matter must be of the heart, and if you really believe that someone rapping cannot possibly ever rap to Glorify the Lord, not himself, and not simply to entertain, then you have a right to that opinion. But I surely disagree.

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News Item11/21/09 11:19 AM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
"...the Bible doesn't mandate a specific type of Music at all. So whether it's Hymns or Hip-Hop I see no Biblical distinction."

See:
Ephesians 5.19
Colossians 3.16

"And David seemed to dance around like "a drugged monkey rapping and rhyming" about the Lord quite a bit in Psalms."

Really? There is one instance of David dancing in Scripture: 2 Samuel 6.16 and 1 Chronicles 15.29 (two descriptions of the same event). If you are comparing this to what goes on in churches today, you are too misguided to be reasoned with. David wasn't trying to entertain or amuse anyone.

"...I do recall Paul challenging us to meet everyone where they are at in order to preach the gospel ...and "whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God".

Where in Scripture do you find ANYTHING other than preaching to be used to share the Gospel? Should we also use pornography or dirty jokes 'to the glory of God' that some might be saved? What foolishness! Did Paul became a clown to 'meet others where they are'?

"If rap music (or any other music) is used from unrighteous purposes that is a result of the problem of living unredemed, but not the real problem itself at all."

Music born of pride and rebellion is ungodly noise. Pride & rebellion are what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.

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News Item11/21/09 10:11 AM
JustADude | The Word  Find all comments by JustADude
As I recall the Bible doesn't mandate a specific type of Music at all. So whether it's Hymns or Hip-Hop I see no Biblical distinction. And David seemed to dance around like "a drugged monkey rapping and rhyming" about the Lord quite a bit in Psalms. The Bible certainly never said a word about a piano or Hymns so obviously they are no more Holy.

However, I do recall Paul challenging us to meet everyone where they are at in order to preach the gospel (1 Cor. 9:20-23) and "whatsoever you do, do all to the glory of God"(1 Cor 10:31).

I do understand the desire to not conform to the world. And that is important. But our war is not with the art and culture of the world but the sin of the world. If you are waging war on a type of music you are missing the point. If rap music (or any other music) is used from unrighteous purposes that is a result of the problem of living unredemed, but not the real problem itself at all.

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