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15,000 Bibles in Malaysia seized over 'Allah' reference
Malaysian authorities have seized more than 15,000 Bibles that refer to God as “Allah” in recent months, said church officials Thursday.

About 10,000 Bibles from Indonesia were confiscated by authorities on Sept. 11, according to the Rev. Hermen Shastri, general secretary of the Council of Churches of Malaysia, according to The Associated Press. The other 5,100 Bibles, also from Indonesia, were seized in March, according to an official from the Bible Society of Malaysia, who requested that AP not identify him to avoid angering the government.

In Malaysia, Christian publications cannot use the word Allah to refer to God. The government contends the word “Allah” is exclusively for Islam, but church officials argue that Allah is not exclusive to Islam because it is an Arabic word that existed before the religion. ...


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News Item6/23/14 10:09 AM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
helping, "helping jim" no in the NASB removes the New Testament Catholic Apocrypha. There are obvious error in the KJV a Catholic Bible -- and you have a truncated KJV if you don't have the Old Testament Apocrpha placed smack in it's middle. See the eSword program for the real 1611 KJV

Oh, and speaking of Carholics, they lost one of those battles, Malaysia Allah dispute: Top court rejects challenge.

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News Item11/6/09 4:28 PM
helping.jim.com  Find all comments by helping.jim.com
Mike wrote:
Suffering from a bit of version pride, helping? Your way of argument, as you did with 1 John 4:3, requires taking a verse and standing it alone, not in context, and then making doctrinal proclamation about "wrong" versions accordingly. That's wrong to start with. Oh well, whatever works, right? Shades of Rick Warren liberalism. It's sad you can't see it.
Ps yes God wrote my Bible, if he wrote yours. If we have the Spirit, we will both understand what he wills for us to understand. If you disagree, perhaps the Holy Spirit will kindly bring you into all truth.
No. I was just pointing out to Jim that his NASB wasn't perfect.

Liberalism deletes verses of the Bible which doesn't agree with modern culture and its lusts. What I was demonstrating to Jim is that his NASB has quite a few obvious errors and "deletions" of its own.

The Holy Spirit "guides" into all truth. This actually may take some time depending on His intent and objective in the believers life. That being so it might be a while longer before He brings you to full Biblical Calvinism.
But don't get anxious about it, everything works for good...........

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News Item11/6/09 2:51 PM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Michigan  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
Here is a suggestion for anyone who has run afoul of Jim Lincoln Nebraska on sermon audio. He should be from now on called Cowboy Jim, because he is always riding his hobby-horse the KJVO'S.HI O Silver Away. Enough said!! In Christ Bruce
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News Item11/6/09 9:48 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
helping.jim.com wrote:
Ah Yes, Mike;
I see the correction you've made.
GOD must have made a mistake when HE wrote this verse and repeated Himself.
Why don't you give God a call and correct Him, Mike.
Or tell me;
Did God write your Bible Mike?
What other bits of Scripture do you delete, with impunity?
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Suffering from a bit of version pride, helping? Your way of argument, as you did with 1 John 4:3, requires taking a verse and standing it alone, not in context, and then making doctrinal proclamation about "wrong" versions accordingly. That's wrong to start with. Oh well, whatever works, right? Shades of Rick Warren liberalism. It's sad you can't see it.

Ps yes God wrote my Bible, if he wrote yours. If we have the Spirit, we will both understand what he wills for us to understand. If you disagree, perhaps the Holy Spirit will kindly bring you into all truth.

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News Item11/6/09 7:15 AM
helping.jim.com  Find all comments by helping.jim.com
Mike wrote:
You figure that not using the words "come in the flesh" in the very next verse is a problem? Only if someone has a 3-second memory, and has already forgotten verse 2.
Jim can be annoying, but this kind of flawed argument won't work to change what he thinks. How could it?
Ah Yes, Mike;
I see the correction you've made.

GOD must have made a mistake when HE wrote this verse and repeated Himself.

Why don't you give God a call and correct Him, Mike.

Or tell me;
Did God write your Bible Mike?

What other bits of Scripture do you delete, with impunity?

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

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News Item11/6/09 4:39 AM
Interupting  Find all comments by Interupting
"Twelve of the editors of the RSV were also editors of the infamous "Interpreter's Bible" of 12 volumes and 8 million words, described as the "greatest attack on the Scriptures since the days of the Caesars". The Interpreter's Bible dismisses the Bible miracles as myths, fables, legends and tradition."

Read this and wondered if any can enlighten on what was the Interpreter's Bible

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News Item11/5/09 5:48 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
Confess that Jesus has come in the flesh, as was just stated in the previous verse:
"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;" (1 John 4:2 NASB)
You figure that not using the words "come in the flesh" in the very next verse is a problem? Only if someone has a 3-second memory, and has already forgotten verse 2.
Jim can be annoying, but this kind of flawed argument won't work to change what he thinks. How could it?
I quite agree Mike - Jim is one of those who listens to no-one except his own favourites.

But as to your argument, you miss something quite vital. Namely, that the aim of the devil is to extract words from scripture SLOWLY. Too quickly and it would be noticed by all. But once you've ripped out some words, they are no longer there, are they? And so some more words can be ripped out at the next edition. Eventually you have a new age 'Bible' which has all the gospel doctrines which we love so much, no longer there, making it quite powerless. Thus powerless preachers, thus no conversions. And it may have escaped your notice, Mike, that there seems to be so few today with the fear of God.

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News Item11/5/09 5:34 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
helping.jim.com wrote:
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EG. NASB - "and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." (1 John 4:3)
KJV - 1Jn 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ **IS COME IN THE FLESH** is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
SO...
The NASB version is MISSING "that... Christ has come in the flesh". The result is a warning that has lost its precision: "every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God?" Confess what about Jesus?
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Confess that Jesus has come in the flesh, as was just stated in the previous verse:

"By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God;" (1 John 4:2 NASB)

You figure that not using the words "come in the flesh" in the very next verse is a problem? Only if someone has a 3-second memory, and has already forgotten verse 2.

Jim can be annoying, but this kind of flawed argument won't work to change what he thinks. How could it?

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News Item11/5/09 4:30 PM
helping.jim.com  Find all comments by helping.jim.com
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Why Guinness, if the Society really wanted a true, [A]nglican [V]ersion ....Paul Used--A Look at the King James Only Debate
Beware Jim; (of the Westcott and Hort NASB fame)
There are serious omissions and problems with your NASB....

EG. "The SV (NASB) versions downplay the deity of Christ, and the discussed NASB version of 1 Corinthians 15:47 denies that Jesus came in the flesh."

EG. NASB - "and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." (1 John 4:3)

KJV - 1Jn 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ **IS COME IN THE FLESH** is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."
SO...
The NASB version is MISSING "that... Christ has come in the flesh". The result is a warning that has lost its precision: "every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God?" Confess what about Jesus?

"...including the NIV and NASB, are based on this Nestle-Aland text, which ....still remains in essence, Westcott & Hort's"

NASB Problems

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News Item11/5/09 2:35 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why Guinness, if the Society really wanted a true, [A]nglican [V]ersion they would put in the Preface, marginal notes, and Apocrypha. It isn't until it has those. Authorized King James Version.

Perhaps an overly kind look at what is the "Flat Earth Society" type argument on the the AV, by the way, Guiness, and others you're still Christians even if you do use the AV! Gimme the Bible that Paul Used--A Look at the King James Only Debate.

I suppose once-in-awhile, SermonAudio wouldn't mind have it's original article commented on, so, Malaysia withholds 'Allah Bibles'. These appear to be Romish Bibles, and I even have a problem with them. The Roman Catholic Bible

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News Item11/4/09 11:41 PM
Guinness  Find all comments by Guinness
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Of course you don't have a KJV unless it also has the preface, marginal notes, and the apocrypha in it. It has been gutted by secular publishers if it doesn't.
Sounds like my KJV. I did not know the Trinitarian Bible Society were secular publishers. Jim, thank you for the new information.
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News Item11/4/09 2:33 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
The CSA no doubt used the Authorized King James Version. It was probably the most used Bible in the United States during the 19th Century, and neither the US or Great Britain, morality was just an outer show rather than an inner belief, and I won't blame it on the unreadability of the [A]nglican [V]ersion, entirely.

Oh, Bruce, for you and especially our Commonwealth brothers in Christ, let me point out this Canadian site, Were KJV Translators Inspired?

Of course you don't have a KJV unless it also has the preface, marginal notes, and the apocrypha in it. It has been gutted by secular publishers if it doesn't.

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News Item11/4/09 1:56 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by hidemi williges
the servants of the anti-christ can nor want to be changed.

1Ti 1:6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
1Ti 1:7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

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News Item11/4/09 10:07 AM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Michigan  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
Brother Jim or can I call you brother Jim, I am not sure what to call you. I hope I can call you Brother. I was gone this past weekend visiting family so I wasn't able to respond to your statement that KJVO people don't think, you are wrong on 2 accounts 1st, I believe that the King James is the WORD OF GOD for English speaking people, that is those who speak and understand English, but 2nd,I believe that the other language translations which are based on the Massoretic and the Textus Receptus Texts are also the true, inerrant, preserved Word of GOD. B.Jim,also you said that these KJVO'S don't think, jim I do think and I do read and I do study to shew myself approved unto GOD. Your contempt for those who don't believe as you believe is appalling,and your name calling is unnecessary, also you condemn people and call them Ruckmanites is another thing that you people who correct and corrupt GOD'S WORD call those who dare to disagree and when they try to share information with you, you again use very unchristian language.You need to check your motives and you need to base them on the Word of GOD,oops,I'm sorry you don't have the Word of God.Here are some verses for you to look up, I pray that if you are honest you will. Proverbs 30:6,2 Cor.2:17, 1 Thess.2:13,1Tim 6:5 In Christ Bruce
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News Item11/3/09 3:00 PM
plain speaking  Find all comments by plain speaking
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Oh, the reference I used from the homo site of course is just as Christian as the one that called the NIV, homosexual, that or that has displayed an incredible amount of ignorance. Just compare the different Bible versions for Romans 1:27. The NIV is much clearer than the [A]nglican [V]ersion as are most of the modern versions because they are in contemporary English.
Jim
The trouble with your arguement is reality! By observing the church (and nation) today in obvious decline in doctrine and morals, the proliferation of "modern versions" have not made a better difference - but a worse one.

You seem to imply that a more modern vernacular of its own, will create a stronger church and doctrine (by education presumably) but the opposite is shown to be true. The modern church and state have become LESS Christian, even LESS morally decent and LESS knowledgeable of Holy Writ.

This together with the history of where the modern versions come from, eclectic texts etc, and heretics involved in the early production, Westcott /Hort, it is downright deceitful of you to be peddling the ideas of - "modern equals improved" - Because THAT is a LIE.

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News Item11/3/09 2:19 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I'm not desperate to show anything about the syncretic Authorized King James Version which was twisted to fit the syncretism of Anglicanism.

King James Onlyism has taken a first class literary work (and third rate Bible) and turn it into an idol, Part III: From the KJV to the RV (from Elegance to Accuracy).

Oh, the reference I used from the homo site of course is just as Christian as the one that called the NIV, homosexual, that or that has displayed an incredible amount of ignorance. Just compare the different Bible versions for Romans 1:27. The NIV is much clearer than the [A]nglican [V]ersion as are most of the modern versions because they are in contemporary English.

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News Item11/2/09 4:12 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
Jim Lincoln wrote:
.......shows that some people don't think at all.
Correct, Jim, and you are the best example I've seen on these forums of someone who thinks very, very little.

Methinks you will have to come up with some far better arguments if you are going to bewitch Christians away from reading and studying the best Bible we have in English........

THE AUTHORIZED VERSION

For example, can you show me any (ANY) text of this Bible which lend any (ANY) weight to the sodomites' cause?

Of course not!

And I'm glad a true brother has taken the effort to show you exactly what the good king thought of sodomy....... Ah you keep trotting out the same old tripe week in, week out, year in, year out, without the savvy that your zeal is without knowledge, and all that effort will be burnt up as wood, hay and stubble at the last day, because it is not commissioned by the Holy Ghost.

Jim lad, when you get your 'beam me up' mug, fill it with redbush tea, then sip slowly while you ponder and meditate on the Lord's will, and pray for illumination.

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News Item11/2/09 3:36 PM
Intelligent life  Find all comments by Intelligent life
Jim

Where is the credible evidence from a Christian?

King James was touted as a raging queer until it was pointed out he had his beloved and begotten sons...maybe the stork brought them to him?

'Surprisingly perhaps, James always expressed hatred of sodomy, mentioning it in Basilikon Doron as an offense not to be pardoned by a king, and in 1610 refusing to pardon those convicted of it.'

So Jim why did James give his son(s)a work of his own hands 'Basilicon Doron' which says

"There are some horrible crimes that ye are bound in conscience never to forgive: such as witchcraft, willful murder, incest, and sodomy"

Over to you Jim, beam me up Scotty from the galaxy of Jim Lincoln's weird world of commentary

Awarded to Jim-a captain Kirk mug

You are becoming the modern version only 'Ruckman'...another 'Jimism'

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News Item11/2/09 3:07 PM
Sword of the Spirit  Find all comments by Sword of the Spirit
Jim Lincoln wrote:
By the way, Homosexuals like [A]nglican [V]ersion of the Bible since it was done under the auspices of bi-sexual Thank a Homosexual for Your Bible (Actually more likely bisexual
Honestly Jim;
You seem to be getting more and more desperate about the KJV.
The HOLY SPIRIT was happy to use the KJV over these last four centuries to create more and bigger Churches than your modern little NASB has ever - or will ever create.

Considering this modern time of apostasy in which NASB and modern versions have been written during; - The modern liberal mindset has to have far more influence over modern versions such as the NASB, than the 17th century king of England ever had over the KJV.

BTW you do realise that King James was not involved in the production don't you Jim... Or do you???

The desperate measures of modern version writers and redactors seems to have been couched in wasted effort, considering the decline of church, decline in doctrine and the decline of morals that has accompanied the introduction and usage of the NASB et al.

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News Item11/2/09 2:44 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Bruce, King James Onlyism shows that some people don't think at all. If you noted only one article about the The King James Only Movement was by Dr. Wallace. (and none of these are!). By the way, Homosexuals like [A]nglican [V]ersion of the Bible since it was done under the auspices of bi-sexual (just read degenerate) king, Thank a Homosexual for Your Bible (Actually more likely bisexual...

Ahem back to the article, it is interesting that many of the older Bible Versions good ones such as the Darby an ASV use the wrong name for God, The Tetragrammaton can never be rendered accurately as Jehovah, since Hebrew doesn't have a "J" sound.

Anyway, Joe, has it right in pointing out that using "Allah" in any Bible is wrong --but-- an interesting history of using "Allah" for a synonym for "God" Allah of Islam, Is He Yahweh God of the Bible?. Reminds you of using "Jehovah" for God.

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