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SUNDAY, OCT 18, 2009  |  16 comments
NIV Translation Team Adds Two More Scholars
Bill Mounce, who was part of the translation team for the English Standard Version of the Bible, was elected this week to join the NIV team.

Mounce, who served as the New Testament chair of the ESV translation, stressed in a blog post this week that he is not unhappy with the ESV and "jumping ship."

But he said he strongly believes in different translation philosophies and doesn't believe that one size fits all.


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News Item10/23/09 6:54 PM
WOMI | Bottom of the Calvinist Heart  Find all comments by WOMI
No homosexuals?
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News Item10/23/09 1:15 PM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Michigan  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
Nice article, BUT it still won't change my mind about the KJV.I will still stand by my King James until the Rapture comes. Now, about reading the Epistle Dedicatory, the statement of the translators that they were but [poor instruments] to make God's Holy Word known is what I will stand on my plea for people to be students of the Word not scholars who are always coming up with new bibles. Also, I don't need Hebrew,or Greek or an understanding of the ancient languages to know that MY BIBLE IS GOD'S WORD; and I mean the one that I am holding in my hand right now. Don't get me wrong but Holy Spirit is my interpreter of Scripture not languages I can't read in the first place, just give me the old KJV and I will be satisfied. Again till the Rapture comes, I'll stand by what I have written. In Christ, Bruce
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News Item10/22/09 2:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Why, Bruce! read, The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position and the conclusion to, Comparing Bible Translations, though lengthy, the whole article should be read.

Taking heed, you mean you're pushing that Reformist stuff! You need to listen to the sermons, Dispensations and
How the Church Relates to the Kingdom.

As work of literature the KJV can never be replaced, as a Bible, it replaced one the Geneva Bible which was actually a good one, instead a political work, as the Authorized King James Version was.

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News Item10/21/09 2:26 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Mounce publishes a pretty good introductory textbook to Biblical Greek.

His website with learning aids: Teknia
A good start would be to memorize the Gk. alphabet.

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News Item10/21/09 2:02 PM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Michigan  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
The same old drivel that I have been hearing for the 23 years that I have been saved.Can't someone at least come up with a different spiel,the King James is not inspired, it's translated by men, it's been changed and so on and so on, like I said same old drivel.Again, I will say that I am so sick and tired of the word scholar, being a student of the Word, is so much better. Just leave your hands off the BOOK. Just remember also that satan had the same problem, Yea hath GOD said.
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News Item10/21/09 9:48 AM
thumbsanddigits  Find all comments by thumbsanddigits
fingersandtoes wrote:
on John 1: 42 as I read it in the KJV. Is 'A Stone' an accurate translation here?
The Greek for...
Petros: "πέτρος, a stone, distinguished from πέτρα
Petra: πέτρα , Ion. and Ep. πέτρη, , a rock
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"καὶ ἤγαγεν αὐτὸν πρὸς τὸν Ἰησοῦν ἐμβλέψας δὲ αὐτῷ ὁ Ἰησοῦς εἶπεν Σὺ εἶ Σίμων ὁ υἱὸς Ἰωνᾶ σὺ κληθήσῃ Κηφᾶς ὃ ἑρμηνεύεται Πέτρος"

Thus "Petros"

However let me throw in a wee diversion, - The 1756 S. Johnson dictionary describes "Rock" as - "A vast mass of stone fixed in the earth"
Thus it may depend on WHEN you read the (english) dictionary.

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News Item10/21/09 9:01 AM
fingersandtoes  Find all comments by fingersandtoes
To the Greek experts

Can any assist on John 1: 42 as I read it in the KJV. Is 'A Stone' an accurate translation here?

The Greek for...

Petros: "πέτρος, a stone, distinguished from πέτρα

Petra: πέτρα , Ion. and Ep. πέτρη, , a rock, a ledge or shelf of rock, Od. 2. a rock, i.e. a rocky

PETRA πέτρα , (4073)) denotes a mass of rock, as distinct from petros, a detached stone or boulder, or a stone that might be thrown or easily moved

"A stone is movable, unstable and this is exactly what we see with Peter, who doubted when he walked on water, who denied Jesus, and who was rebuked by Paul at Antioch" MS

All you Greek experts-what is the translation for John 1: 42 as KJV 'a stone'? In the modern versions like ESV and NIV including footnotes-no reference to 'a stone'?

Though to please Jim Lincoln Darby translates as 'a stone'

Is the Greek here 'Petros'?

see the NIV

NIV John 1.42

Re: witness to Roman Catholics-is the KJV correct as a 'Protestant' literal translation here-very important.

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News Item10/20/09 3:28 PM
Taking heed  Find all comments by Taking heed
Bad Theology-scan down for Miles J Sanford

***Miles J. Sanford**** wrote:
Over and above this he [Darby] accomplished scholarly and deeply spiritual work in translating the Bible into English, French, German; and the NT in Italian. His "Darby Bible" is considered by theologians to be on a par with the American Standard Version 1901, published several years later."

Says Jim Lincoln quoting another Dispensationalist. I am not doubting Darby's translation work but it isn't an improvement on the KJV.

So Ryrie has no commentary in his bible and waits until a section at the end-I see.

As bad as Red letter versions.

It is the Bible translation that I want to read my friend and the Holy Spirit to teach me

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News Item10/20/09 2:48 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
But, gentlemen! the Authorized King James Version, was man inspired! The Antiquated Version, needs at the very least to be translated into contemporary English. Oh, yes, about Dispensationalism, Dispensations. As far as remember Ryrie doesn't discuss dispensationalism or preterism, except in a section at the end of the Bible!
Miles J. Sanford wrote:
Over and above this he [Darby] accomplished scholarly and deeply spiritual work in translating the Bible into English, French, German; and the NT in Italian. His "Darby Bible" is considered by theologians to be on a par with the American Standard Version 1901, published several years later.
from An Open Letter to Mark A. Knoll

Elizabethan English? Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today and Why the NASB?

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News Item10/19/09 7:31 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
theonlyacceptableform wrote:
I see Jim wants us to get a man inspired KJV bible with Dispensational notes to help us a long-Darby or Ryrie
Examine Dispensationalism
The Bible..."the Book must be unfettered from all opinions of men, and the Holy Spirit must be given free reign to enlighten the hearts of those who study to show themselves approved unto God. We must again become a people of the Book, but that book must be "The Bible-Without Comment."
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9170/COX1-10.HTM
I'll stick to my Bible and the Holy Spirit without Ryrie's comment thanks Jim
Why not have a look below and see where you err in your attack on the antiquated Bible language-join the debate
Elizabethan English?
Excellent resource sites bro, thanks!

FAITHFUL REMNANT
I've found there a great article which you might find helpful concerning THE TRUE CHURCH by J.C.Ryle. I read this on a tract some years ago, and was really blessed by it - wonderful stuff!

G'night again.

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News Item10/19/09 5:57 PM
theonlyacceptableform  Find all comments by theonlyacceptableform
Jim Lincoln wrote:
the only acceptable form for the KJV.
I see Jim wants us to get a man inspired KJV bible with Dispensational notes to help us a long-Darby or Ryrie

Examine Dispensationalism

The Bible..."the Book must be unfettered from all opinions of men, and the Holy Spirit must be given free reign to enlighten the hearts of those who study to show themselves approved unto God. We must again become a people of the Book, but that book must be "The Bible-Without Comment."

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/9170/COX1-10.HTM

I'll stick to my Bible and the Holy Spirit without Ryrie's comment thanks Jim

Why not have a look below and see where you err in your attack on the antiquated Bible language-join the debate

Elizabethan English?

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News Item10/19/09 3:30 PM
Bruce Lantto | Harrisville, Michigan  Contact via emailFind all comments by Bruce Lantto
You have all these new bibles out for the making of a profit, but I also have noticed that every time we have a new bible [not THE BIBLE] come out it is always by scholars. I am so sick of the word scholar, and until these people become students of the WORD, 2 Tim 2:15 "study to shew thyself approved", not study to become a Bible correcting scholar. Also you need to read about those men who translated the King James Bible, they had more learning in the tips of their fingers than all of todays so called scholars. Everybody needs to sit down and read the Epistle dedicatory in the front of all true KJV's. They said that they are but [poor instruments] to make God's Holy Word known, and until todays so called scholars become poor instruments in the hands of GOD,and as far as I am concerned they all have a devil that needs to be cast out. Remember the serpent said "Yea, hath GOD said". In CHRIST, Bruce Lantto P.S. I will stick by my King James Bible until the rapture comes, Even so come LORD JESUS!!!!
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News Item10/19/09 2:46 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
You know the translators of the KJV really made it big, they got their secular rewards, "The scholars were not paid directly for their translation work, instead a circular letter was sent to bishops encouraging them to consider the translators for appointment to well paid livings as these fell vacant.[28] Several were supported by the various colleges at Oxford and Cambridge, while others were promoted to bishoprics, deaneries and prebends through royal patronage." from, Authorized King James Version.

Actually, besides not only making money because they don't have to pay any royalties for publishing the AV, a necessity is to have something like Ryrie Study Bible KJV Hardback- Red Letter (Ryrie Study Bibles) (Hardcover), the only acceptable form for the KJV.

However, if you got a computer you can get the Antiquated Version, and the much superior Darby version for free in such programs that are supplied by, The CrossWire Bible Society.

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News Item10/18/09 6:20 PM
fuzzy logic | hot spot  Find all comments by fuzzy logic
Not only money, but also it maintains relevance for these so-called bible scholars.

Hey gentlemen (and women), God preserved HIS word. NOT YOU! We don't need you anymore. Never needed you, actually.

The Dollar Store sells the KJB! You may want to get a magnifying glass though.

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News Item10/18/09 4:19 PM
Chris Perver | Bangor, N. Ireland  Contact via emailFind all comments by Chris Perver
It's all about the money. Bible trasnlators HAVE to publish a revised translation every so often, otherwise they lose their copyright. It's little to do with accuracy and spreading the Word of God, and more to do with who controls the flow of capital. That is why Hodder and Staughton have SOLE rights to distribute the NIV in the UK. Money!
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News Item10/18/09 2:32 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Interesting, then he would probably would like this article, Comparing Bible Translations. The TNIV needs to be scrapped and the NIV should get back to the basics of the 1970s.

The NIV is probably the most popular of the contemporary translations, and while it probably won't ever be as good as the ESV or the NASB, there are a few things that need to be straightened out.

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