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Choice News WEDNESDAY, JUL 29, 2009  |  56 comments  |  1 commentary
Anger after Bible defaced in British gallery
Christians voiced anger and dismay Tuesday after a Bible, which was part of an exhibition inviting viewers to add their reflections, was defaced with offensive and foul-mouthed scrawl.

Glasgow's Gallery of Modern Art has decided to put the Bible in a glass case after the exhibit, called Untitled 2009 and part of a show entitled Made In God's Image, was vandalised.


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Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
John UK, it is interesting that the Crown is so disparate to get the instrument of the State used, the AV, they would turn a blind eye to the use of it without official approval.

Ah, Kenny, a cult is the tool of Satan. As I said before I have no problem with people who prefer the AV. I should say I have reservations. As I pointed out, I wish SermonAudio and The Trinitarian Society well on their Gospel of John project. I understand that the AV is more easily understood in the spoken than the printed form. They might try sending out CDs with both written and spoken text?

The King James Only Movement has different types in it, from those who prefer to those who are completely irrational about, They are the tools of Satan, They could be unwittingly as such, or sometimes I wonder if they might be agents of either the Mormons, Catholics, or Pentecostal One groups creating division among Christians?

Kenny, I'll try to run my notes here through my grammar checker more often. I will still agree with Dan Wallace, Why I Do Not Think the King James Bible Is the Best Translation Available Today.

Kenny, and others. I'm not on the staff of Indian Hills.

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News Item8/10/09 5:20 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Jim Gil,

First, your ability to communicate your thoughts clearly is historically pretty weak for someone who appears to consider themself an 'educated' modern version advocate. (Latest example: ..."hope that those who is in the more extreme portions q.v...."). Didn't I read somewhere that you have a Masters Degree? For a man who seems to put a premium on education, your own mastery of the English language is often poor at best. That's not an insult, simply an observation based on your own comments.

Much more importantly, for your own sake, you should to be careful who and/or what you are calling a 'tool of satan'. Even in anger. Seriously, you are treading on very, very dangerous ground, Jim.

Finally, many independent publishers here in the U.S. continue to use the AV exclusively for both books and tracts. Are you saying that Christians don't read or buy the AV any longer? That's just plain not true. The major, corporately owned publis$hing companie$ do not use it in their products because (obviously) they have their own versions that they want to use and promote. There is big money in Bible versions.

So where am I wrong in my last post, Jim Gil? Please don't post someone else's URL or Gil Rugh's opinion. Please explain to me how I'm wrong re: copyrights.

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News Item8/10/09 3:49 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I will point out to you, very few people in this country want to publish verses from the AV. It was designed as a device of the British Crown to be an ecumenical Bible, to replace the superior Geneva Bible. The AV makes, the Word of God, look foolish. Though thankfully Elizabethan English is so foolish to educated people that they wouldn't bother with it anyway....
1. Most of the good tracts I read quote only the KJV. Some of the weak, watered-down tracts that are popular, such as "The Four Spiritual Laws" and Billy Graham's "Steps to Peace with God," use the NIV and/or NASB, but most of the really good tracts use KJV.

2. The Geneva Bible is superior to the KJV? With all the mistakes in its marginal interpretations? It is the main source of the errors of those who follow covenant theology, Jim!

3. Your statement that the AV makes the Word of God look foolish makes me wonder what KJV Only person hurt you. Really. Forgive them and move on, but don't blame the KJV Bible for all the folly of the KJV Onliests.

4. Most educated people are not believers, so they can't understand the Bible no matter how much you dumb it down. It's a heart problem, not an intellectual one. (1 Co. 1:26)

5. Tool of Satan???? See 3 above.

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News Item8/10/09 3:11 PM
John UK | Wales  Contact via emailFind all comments by John UK
kenny wrote:
Jim/Gil,
Go over to the UK or anywhere else or just stay here in the US. Print a 100 page Gospel booklet and quote the AV extensively throughout. Even quote Bible (AV) verses that account for more than 99% of the booklet. Quote, quote, quote. Sell the booklet or give it away, whichever you prefer. Let's say it becomes a worldwide best seller! The masses are clamoring for it! You know what will happen? No one will bother you at all.
Now try that with the NKJV, NIV or the new darling of the modern version crowd, the ESV. Thomas Nelson, Zondervan or Crossway would have you in court so fast you wouldn't have time to say 'Gil Rugh'. These Judas publishing companies won't even let you quote their 'Bibles' in a church bulletin without their permission! And you call these books God's Word?
The AV continues to be the best, most accurate, trustworthy and effective translation of God's Word in the English language. Nothing else comes close and I can assure you that you can quote it or print it to your heart's content. It is God's Word.
Absolutely correct Kenny, my ol' turnip.

There's far too much 'filthy lucre' surrounding the modern versions.

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News Item8/10/09 3:11 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I will point out to you, very few people in this country want to publish verses from the AV. It was designed as a device of the British Crown to be an ecumenical Bible, to replace the superior Geneva Bible. The AV makes, the Word of God, look foolish. Though thankfully Elizabethan English is so foolish to educated people that they wouldn't bother with it anyway. This is why the much more readable and Authorized upgrade to the AV, the ASV, isn't popular, though by the way it is still published, but then,

1 Corinthians 14:9 (NASB)
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air.
1Corintians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. ---NASB

When the Bible becomes an Idol Problems with the KJV - Only Doctrine I hope that those who is in the more extreme portions q.v., King James Only movement are freed from this tool of Satan.

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News Item8/10/09 12:11 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
ErnieG wrote:
Amen!!!
It is good to know we have true Bible believers like you here Kenny to show pretenders like Jim Lincoln, Gil, NY Mike, etc. are going to the gargage can trying to get eatable food!
Thanks, Ernie, I love you, too. Aren't you thankful you are not as other men are, even as this pretender?
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News Item8/9/09 8:06 PM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
kenny wrote:
Jim/Gil,
Go over to the UK or anywhere else or just stay here in the US. Print a 100 page Gospel booklet and quote the AV extensively throughout. Even quote Bible (AV) verses that account for more than 99% of the booklet. Quote, quote, quote. Sell the booklet or give it away, whichever you prefer. Let's say it becomes a worldwide best seller! The masses are clamoring for it! You know what will happen? No one will bother you at all.
Now try that with the NKJV, NIV or the new darling of the modern version crowd, the ESV. Thomas Nelson, Zondervan or Crossway would have you in court so fast you wouldn't have time to say 'Gil Rugh'. These Judas publishing companies won't even let you quote their 'Bibles' in a church bulletin without their permission! And you call these books God's Word?
The AV continues to be the best, most accurate, trustworthy and effective translation of God's Word in the English language. Nothing else comes close and I can assure you that you can quote it or print it to your heart's content. It is God's Word.
Amen!!!

It is good to know we have true Bible believers like you here Kenny to show pretenders like Jim Lincoln, Gil, NY Mike, etc. are going to the gargage can trying to get eatable food!

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News Item8/9/09 5:42 PM
kenny  Find all comments by kenny
Jim/Gil,

Go over to the UK or anywhere else or just stay here in the US. Print a 100 page Gospel booklet and quote the AV extensively throughout. Even quote Bible (AV) verses that account for more than 99% of the booklet. Quote, quote, quote. Sell the booklet or give it away, whichever you prefer. Let's say it becomes a worldwide best seller! The masses are clamoring for it! You know what will happen? No one will bother you at all.

Now try that with the NKJV, NIV or the new darling of the modern version crowd, the ESV. Thomas Nelson, Zondervan or Crossway would have you in court so fast you wouldn't have time to say 'Gil Rugh'. These Judas publishing companies won't even let you quote their 'Bibles' in a church bulletin without their permission! And you call these books God's Word?

The AV continues to be the best, most accurate, trustworthy and effective translation of God's Word in the English language. Nothing else comes close and I can assure you that you can quote it or print it to your heart's content. It is God's Word.

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News Item8/8/09 2:24 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Ah, Hidemi, in Great Britain, their is restriction on who can publish the AV (and I assume the 1611 version as well as 2039, as Wikipedia points out.
"In the United Kingdom, the British Crown restricts production of the Authorized Version per transitional exemptions from the Copyright Act 1775 (which implemented this clause) in the Copyright, Designs and patents Act 1988

(Schedule 1, section 13(1)), which expire in 2039. Cambridge University Press, Oxford University Press, HarperCollins and the Queen's Printers have the right to produce the Authorized Version." from Authorized King James Version. If you click on the right side of the article about copyrights you'll see more information about it and and early English Bible version in general. I think I'm going to have to look over that one.

Fuss about copyrights? The ASV did it because the ERV was grabbed and had unauthorized changes to it. I assume later versions have it for the same reason. You'll find an interesting commentary on why the folks of the NET Bible copyrighted theirs down the middle of page at, "MINISTRY FIRST".

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News Item8/7/09 8:05 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Tony, the AV is copyrighted or I should say the same idea, in Great Britain. So, you are wrong there. I have "proved" what I said from such articles, by a noted theologian,
Jim,

You are wrong here. If you look at plain text KJV Bibles, you will see that they are not copyrighted. The KJV with notes such as Ryrie, Scofield and others are copyrighted. But that is due to their notes and not the text itself.

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News Item8/7/09 6:04 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Tony Lopez-Cisneros (Bible Believer)

Ernie G (Bible Believer)

Question (Bible Believer)

Bible Believers Everywhere

It amazes me that despite all the evidence, most seem to want a Bible that they can't trust fully. Especially the Roman Catholic Spiritualistic Westcott & Hort Derived Modern Bible Perversions.

p.s. Tony, I nominate you for Post of the Month once again - that's your best one ever.
And I'm sorry to hear your sad news.

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News Item8/7/09 4:15 PM
question  Find all comments by question
“Is the Jesus Christ in your Bible the one who lied in John 7:8 as the NASB and ESV read?"

John 7:8-10 KJV Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Galilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret.

"Here we read of Jesus telling his brethren to go up unto a feast and He says: "I go NOT up YET unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come. When he had said these words unto them, he abode still in Gallilee. But when his brethren were gone up, then went he also up unto the feast, not openly, but as it were in secret." He did in fact go up to the feast."

"However Sinaiticus says: "I DO NOT GO to this feast", and so do the NASB, ASV, RSV, ESV and Wallace's NET version thus making our Lord a liar."

"The fickle nature of this so called "science" is also seen in that Westcott and Hort originally read "NOT YET" and so did the previous Nestle-Aland critical texts up until a few years ago. But the more recent ones have "scientifically" changed to now read "I do NOT go to this feast."”

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News Item8/7/09 3:20 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
The NASV-B Is Derived From The 2nd/3rd Century INFERIOR, CORRUPTED, ALTERED, AMMENDED, PERVERTED & "CHOPPED-UP" Copies Of The ORIGINAL Historic 66 Books Of The Authorized HOLY Judeo-Christian BIBLE-SCRIPTURES !

The KJV-B Is Derived From The 1st/2nd/3rd Century SUPERIOR, UN / IN-CORRUPTED, UNALTERED, UNAMMENDED, PERFECT & COMPLETE Copies Of The ORIGINAL Historic 66 Books Of The Authorized HOLY Judeo-Christian BIBLE-SCRIPTURES !

NASV-B = INFERIOR

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KJV-B = SUPERIOR !

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NASV-B = CORRUPTED

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KJV-B = UNCORRUPTED !

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NASV-B = ALTERED

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KJV-B = UNALTERED !

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NASV-B = AMMENDED

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KJV-B = UN-AMMENDED !

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NASV-B = PERVERTED

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KJV-B = PERFECT (& COMPLETE) !

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NASV-B = "CHOPPED-UP"

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KJV-B = NOT "CHOPPED-UP" & COMPLETE (& PERFECT) !

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THE NASV-B =

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THE KJV-B = !

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News Item8/7/09 2:47 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony, the AV is copyrighted or I should say the same idea, in Great Britain. So, you are wrong there. I have "proved" what I said from such articles, by a noted theologian, The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position and Erasmus and the Textus Receptus by William W. Combs. I can well add commentaries by James White, A Response to a Brother in Christ--Dr. Morris' "Defense" of the King James Bible Reviewed. Of course many of his comments can be found at, The King James Only Movement.

Well, of course many people who support the AV are either knowingly or unwittingly helping the Romish Church. For the divisive minority I will point out you can still get the AV, and (even the 1611 for the Mormons out there) electronically from such sites as, The CrossWire Bible Society. The AV truly has a cult following.

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News Item8/7/09 2:45 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
ErnieG wrote:
f) The NASV questions Christ’s Divine SONSHIP in John 6:69.
g) The NASV eliminates Christ’s title “Son of God” in John 9:35.
h) The NASV removes the title of “Lord” from Christ in 1 Cor 15:47.
I) The NASV eliminates references to our Lord’s INCARNATION in 1 Tim 3:16.
j) The NASV dilutes the doctrine of INSPIRATION.. in the margin of 2 Tim 3:16

k) ..Lord’s ASCENSION in Luke 24:51.
The NASV omits “carried up into heaven,”...

In the places above, these verses PROVE the NASV is a CORRUPT VERSION!!!

f) NASB: "We have believed and have come to know that you are the Holy One of God." "Holy One of God" in Scripture pertains only to the Son.

g) NASB: "Son of Man." The Son of God IS the Son of Man. The Lord called himself by that name everywhere.

h) It is obvious who the second man from heaven is. 1Cor15:21(KJV)- "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead." Do we not know who the second man is in this verse?

i) NASB: "He who was revealed in the flesh,..." Incarnation confirmed.

j) NASB: "All Scripture is inspired by God..." No marginal dilution.

k) NASB: "While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven." No omission.

Corruption denied.

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News Item8/7/09 1:19 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
ErnieG wrote:
What I just commented on the NASV is proof that it is corrupt. Jim Lincoln made that statement above about the accuracy without any proof. That is a lie and therefore he is lying to be stating that without any proof. The KJB is NOT copyrighted, but all these other corrupt versions like the NASV have to change or ommit words in order to get a copyright. The example I have shown is for the NASV, but all the others have made similiar changes. Again, If any here are unsure about bible versions, don't be foolish and believe what Mr Lincoln has said on this because it is untrue. Listen to what a bibical scholar and authority like Dr. D.A. Waite has said on this very important issue about the KJVO here on SA
AMEN Br. ErnieG !

But, The Historic Authorized Holy Bible-Scriptures (In The English Language It's Been Known As The KJV-B For The Last 400 yrs) Has Made It VERY CLEAR That "NOW The (Holy) Spirit Speaketh Expressly, That In The Latter Times Some Shall DEPART From THE FAITH, Giving HEED To SEDUCING Spirits And Doctrine Of DEVILS;

Speaking LIES In Hypocrisy: Having Their Conscience SEARED With A Hot Iron..."

And This YOU Are Witnessing, With YOUR VERY OWN EYES, In The Comments & Posts Of Jim Lincoln: THE KJV-B APOSTATE & ANTI-CHRIST !

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News Item8/7/09 12:04 PM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
"If you prefer the KJV and want to use fine, It is elegance over accuracy,"

What I just commented on the NASV is proof that it is corrupt. Jim Lincoln made that statement above about the accuracy without any proof. That is a lie and therefore he is lying to be stating that without any proof.

The KJB is NOT copyrighted, but all these other corrupt versions like the NASV have to change or ommit words in order to get a copyright. The example I have shown is for the NASV, but all the others have made similiar changes.

Again, If any here are unsure about bible versions, don't be foolish and believe what Mr Lincoln has said on this because it is untrue. Listen to what a bibical scholar and authority like Dr. D.A. Waite has said on this very important issue about the KJVO here on SA.

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News Item8/7/09 10:40 AM
ErnieG  Find all comments by ErnieG
f) The NASV questions Christ’s Divine SONSHIP in John 6:69.
KJB: “Christ, the Son of the living God”
NASV: “the Holy One o God”

g) The NASV eliminates Christ’s title “Son of God” in John 9:35.
KJB: “Son of God,”
NASV “Son of Man.”

h) The NASV removes the title of “Lord” from Christ in 1 Cor 15:47.
KJB: “ the Lord from heaven.”
NASV “the second man from heaven.”

I) The NASV eliminates references to our Lord’s INCARNATION in 1 Tim 3:16.
KJB “God was manifest in the flesh”
NASV “He who was manifest….

j) The NASV dilutes the doctrine of INSPIRATION of Scripture in the margin of 2 Tim 3:16
KJB “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God.”
NASV (in margin): “Every Scripture is profitable.”
This NASV marginal note means that not ALL Scripture is inspired by God.

k) The NASV omits reference to our Lord’s ASCENSION in Luke 24:51.
KJB: “And it came to pass…He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.”
NASV: “And it came about…He parted from them.”
The NASV omits “carried up into heaven,” thus removing a reference to our Lord’s miraculous bodily ascension into heaven.

In the places above, these verses PROVE the NASV is a CORRUPT VERSION!!!

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News Item8/6/09 3:08 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
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News Item8/6/09 2:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Well, gentlemen, I'm glad you did point out your reasons for liking one version over another. First of all, any version has to be contemporary English, so the NKJV with it's marginal notes can be an acceptable version, as has been pointed out the KJV translators/compilers would have an insisted on a modern update for they themselves used,
1Corintians 14:11 If then I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. ---NASB ( The Preface to the King James Version And the King James Only position).

If you prefer the KJV and want to use fine, It is elegance over accuracy, Why the NASB?. I can especially see why the British want to use it, since it is a national literary treasure. Other Anglophones have no such reason to support it.

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