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THURSDAY, JUN 25, 2009  |  22 comments
The NAE Chooses Government Affairs Director
The National Association of Evangelicals (NAE) recently named Galen Carey, a longtime employee of World Relief, the NAE's humanitarian arm, as director of government affairs. His appointment comes six months after Richard Cizik resigned after saying he was shifting his views on same-sex unions.

"What impresses me with all of this is that Galen is not someone who's a theoretician," said Leith Anderson, president of the NAE. "He's a veteran practitioner in the issues that are of great concern in our culture and among evangelicals."

The new director's résumé spans four continents and numerous job descriptions. Carey spent 26 years working for World Relief, three of them in Washington as director of World Relief's advocacy and policy. Most recently, Carey built a church network to combat HIV/AIDS in Burundi,Africa. ...


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News Item6/27/09 12:16 PM
Pactum  Find all comments by Pactum
Mr. Dispy wrote:
I am still waiting for you or another covenanter to provide a reference to God's people in the OT being "in Him" or "in Christ Jesus."
They who are blind who will not see!

Your preconceived ideology prevents you from seeing the ONE Covenant which GOD has made with all HIS Elect.

The OT is as much about Jesus as the NT is. 24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise"

6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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News Item6/27/09 9:19 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
*Mr. Dispy* --

I'll come up with a reference to God's people in the OT being "in Him" or "in Christ Jesus" when you come up with a reference in the OT to God being triune -- a Trinity.

We know that God never changes, He has ALWAYS been triune, but the OT saints could hardly imagine this being the case.

In BOTH cases (OT saints being "In Him" & the triune nature of the Godhead), the reference -- or concept -- must be inferred.

We all can agree that all men of every age are saved because of the merits of Jesus Christ (His life, death, & resurrection). By grace through faith men are saved. But HOW are men saved? Has not Christ become the atonement for ALL the elect and paid the penalty of sin by His substitutionary death? Are not all those who have been atoned for somehow united with Christ? United in His death, His Resurrection, and His life? Isn't this unity essential? Can you imagine men being saved, regardless of age or dispensation, other than being somehow united with The Saviour -- being found "in Him?"

I can't.

Please remember that MUCH was not revealed to the OT saints! They toiled in the shadows and types. But in the fullness of time, Christ came, the Spirit was poured out on all men, more light was shed, and eternal truths were revealed and seen clearly.

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News Item6/27/09 1:05 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
No doubt about that, Hidemi, especially once the charismatics came on board....Stability disappears when anything goes in the name of the Holy Spirit without discerment with an open Bible. Take care!
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News Item6/27/09 12:55 AM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Sounds like the NAE is falling for politics instead of the redemption of souls as well.
I think the NAE has been falling for some time now.
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News Item6/27/09 12:43 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Sounds like the NAE is falling for politics instead of the redemption of souls as well.
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News Item6/26/09 5:50 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Whoa! There are way too many Calvinists on this thread. Can we get back to discussions of the NAE (the neo-antichrist elect)..
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News Item6/26/09 5:17 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
God's Continuous Covenant wrote:
The problem Dispy is in your dismissal of the Covenant which God has made with ALL the Elect...
Your premill disp stuff chops the Bible up and rejects God's election in the OT. BUT it has been going on throughout the OT and continues today.

Rom 9+11 Rejects the Break up of the elect at any point

1. I do not reject election, or dismiss any covenant God has made.

2. God has made more than one covenant. For example, the covenant with Abraham is different than the covenant with David. There are different covenants with different groups of people, because God chose to deal with different groups of people in different ways.

3. I am still waiting for you or another covenanter to provide a reference to God's people in the OT being "in Him" or "in Christ Jesus." Of course, it will be a long wait, since it is not there. Saying that Hebrew could not express such a concept, or that the Israelites were too dumb to understand it, is not an argument. Obviously, the Jewish writers of the NT were able to understand.

It is impossible to expect any reasonable response from you to the problem with your theory raised by the portion in Ephesians 3.

4. Rom 9+11 highlights the difference between Jew and Gentile.

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News Item6/26/09 4:47 PM
God's Continuous Covenant  Find all comments by God's Continuous Covenant
Mr. Dispy wrote:
in Christ Jesus
The problem Dispy is in your dismissal of the Covenant which God has made with ALL the Elect. God did not wait for 4000 years to start election. It started before the world began. Thus GOD'S PEOPLE were prepared and elected from the beginning. God did not start HIS salvation plan with the NT, His purpose began with Adam and Eve. Your premill disp stuff chops the Bible up and rejects God's election in the OT. BUT it has been going on throughout the OT and continues today.

ROM 9
"For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:"
"For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth"
"Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?"
"Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved"

Ro 11
"I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin"
"God hath not cast away his people"
"thou bearest not the root, but the root thee"

Rom 9+11 Rejects the Break up of the elect at any point

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News Item6/26/09 4:03 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Dis am de post 2 wrote:
God in Scripture is addressing ***ALL*** the Elect.
Here's Paul addressing the Old Testament Israelites in the Minor Changes Testament:

"Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus"

When were the OT elect were ever mentioned to be in Ephesus? DJC49 has failed to answer where the OT says anyone is 'in Christ Jesus' - maybe you can do better.

And I suppose it would have been too confusing to the Israelites to discover they were actually Gentiles, as Paul notes in Ephesians 3:

"Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Maybe the Hebrew was inadequate to express such concepts as "Uncircumcision."

By the way, does your posting name indicate the partiality of the unregenerate, or that of the immature believer?

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News Item6/26/09 2:57 PM
Dis am de post 2  Find all comments by Dis am de post 2
Mr. Dispy wrote:
Yes, indeed, "he hath chosen US" - the people Paul was addressing, which was the Church in Ephesus.
BTW, Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians is part of the 'Minor Changes Testament'. Do you have any examples from the 'Subsitute "Church" For "Israel" Testament'?
NOPE!!

Wrong again!!

God in Scripture is addressing ***ALL*** the Elect. they were included from the foundation of the world as God teaches

Now Dispy, you won't get anybody to believe Margaret MacDonald's Visions this way.

Not everybody believes SHE changed or added to God's Holy Word, like dispys do!!

Aaaalllll the Elect were chosen from the foundation of the world, by GOD **IN CHRIST**
Regardless of which piece of real estate they camped on.

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News Item6/26/09 2:25 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
DJC49 wrote:
1) It might be because the entirety of the OT (with the exception of Daniel which had a tiny bit of Aramaic intermingled) was written in Hebrew -- a very earthy and "concrete" sort of language -- whereas the NT was in Greek -- a language more "conceptual" and appropriate to communicating ideas.
Yes, Hebrew is so limited in its ability to communicate. I am amazed that the Holy Spirit did not wait for Esperanto to be invented.

[QUOTE]Additionally, the "In Him" terminology could not have been appropriately used and applied -- nor would it have made any sense -- to Israel pre-the Incarnation/Resurrection. It would have not been understood AT ALL since the Jews were highly monotheistic (at least in principle) and the Christ had not shown up as yet.You are so close to the truth that it could bite you!

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News Item6/26/09 10:28 AM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Mr. Dispy wrote:
1) And why do you suppose the Holy Spirit used different terminology in the NT as opposed to the OT? Could it be because this was a new testament (i.e., a new covenant) in His blood?

2) Is it possible that He chose to deal with people in a new way - by grace through faith in Christ - a way that He had not ever employed before that time?

1) It might be because the entirety of the OT (with the exception of Daniel which had a tiny bit of Aramaic intermingled) was written in Hebrew -- a very earthy and "concrete" sort of language -- whereas the NT was in Greek -- a language more "conceptual" and appropriate to communicating ideas.

Additionally, the "In Him" terminology could not have been appropriately used and applied -- nor would it have made any sense -- to Israel pre-the Incarnation/Resurrection. It would have not been understood AT ALL since the Jews were highly monotheistic (at least in principle) and the Christ had not shown up as yet. However, when the OT referred to God's elect as "sons" and the like, this kind of "language of relationship" spoke of being "In Him" as a son is "in" his father. That's about as close as it gets in the OT to expressing "In Him"

2) And ............ It's ALWAYS been by grace through faith!

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News Item6/26/09 9:16 AM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
DJC49 wrote:
That sort of NT language ("in Him") is not used in the OT. God's righteous ones, people, sons, remnant, saints, chosen, and etc., are some of the Hebraic words and terminology used to denote God's elect -- those who were saved -- in the OT.
And why do you suppose the Holy Spirit used different terminology in the NT as opposed to the OT? Could it be because this was a new testament (i.e., a new covenant) in His blood? Is it possible that He chose to deal with people in a new way - by grace through faith in Christ - a way that He had not ever employed before that time?
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News Item6/25/09 7:21 PM
Hidemi Williges | san francisco, ca  Find all comments by Hidemi  Williges
Anyway.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

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News Item6/25/09 5:20 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Mr. Piffle wrote:
Who does God describe as being "in Him" in the OT?
That sort of NT language ("in Him") is not used in the OT. God's righteous ones, people, sons, remnant, saints, chosen, and etc., are some of the Hebraic words and terminology used to denote God's elect -- those who were saved -- in the OT.
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News Item6/25/09 5:02 PM
Mr. Dispy  Find all comments by Mr. Dispy
Dis am de post wrote:
Dispy
The "IN HIM" status goes back to the beginning.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us **IN HIM** before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Yes, indeed, "he hath chosen US" - the people Paul was addressing, which was the Church in Ephesus.

BTW, Paul's Epistle to the Ephesians is part of the 'Minor Changes Testament'. Do you have any examples from the 'Subsitute "Church" For "Israel" Testament'?

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News Item6/25/09 4:56 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
Dis am de post wrote:
Dispy
The "IN HIM" status goes back to the beginning.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us **IN HIM** before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Read it more closely.
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News Item6/25/09 4:55 PM
Dis am de post  Find all comments by Dis am de post
Mr. Piffle wrote:
Who does God describe as being "in Him" in the OT?
Dispy
The "IN HIM" status goes back to the beginning.
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us **IN HIM** before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
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News Item6/25/09 4:42 PM
Mr. Piffle  Find all comments by Mr. Piffle
DJC49 wrote:
Piffle.
The Church doesn't merely RELATE to the Kingdom, The Church IS the Kingdom! Better put: Jesus Christ, and all those who are "in Him" (The Church), IS the Kingdom.
Who does God describe as being "in Him" in the OT?
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News Item6/25/09 4:09 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Jim Lincoln wrote:
How the Church Relates to the Kingdom
Piffle.

The Church doesn't merely RELATE to the Kingdom, The Church IS the Kingdom! Better put: Jesus Christ, and all those who are "in Him" (The Church), IS the Kingdom.
_____

BTW, there is something about Gil Rugh's delivery that just drives me crazy. I find it extremely difficult listening to him for long.

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