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FRIDAY, JUN 12, 2009  |  10 comments  |  1 commentary
Door to Door as Missionaries, Then as Salesmen
OAK BROOK, Ill. — Six days a week, in fair weather and foul, two-dozen door-to-door salesmen, all of whom live clustered together in an apartment complex in this suburb west of Chicago, pile into S.U.V.’s and cars and head into the big city, bent on sales of home security systems.

And on Sunday, their one day off, they drive together to the nearest house of worship of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

The salesmen are mostly former Mormon missionaries from Utah who cut their teeth — and learned their people-skill chops — cold-calling for their faith. In Chicago and in its suburbs where their employer, Pinnacle Security of Orem, Utah, has shipped them for the summer sales season, they are doing much the same thing, but as a job. ...


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News Item6/16/09 4:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
Jim Lincoln wrote:
As usual, John Y., you got some excellent advice from the other fellows which you will ignore.
Jim Lincoln
Your post to our "friend" John Yurich reminds me of what Jesus said

John 3
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

I don't know about you but I am burdened that there are many people attending church or claiming to believe in God who have learned to say the right things but have no more desire to be obedient to the word of God they loudly proclaim to believe in than this one who is expert in ignoring the counsel of those who know what it means to be genuinely born again of the Spirit of God and to apply the faith He gives us in following Him.

At the heart of what seems to be deceiving so many is the imagination that Jesus will save one from the eternal hell without first saving one from sin the reason they are headed there in the first place.

Tony
I appreciate your post

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News Item6/16/09 3:02 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
As usual, John Y., you got some excellent advice from the other fellows which you will ignore.

Entrance to heaven requires that you leave an apostate church, such as the Romish one, because by your very presence you are saying you are not a Christian. You really do lack the Marks of the True Believer. You have not come to accept the fact that Doctrinal Compromise is Condemned because it's The Doctrine of Apostates.

So many people have given you such excellent responses through the years it would be great if we could get SermonAudio to collect them all, and just put them in one place for us to benefit from.

Now, John Y., won't get much benefit I know but others who truly want to be a Christian could benefit.

Ephesians 6
Servants, be obedient unto them that according to the flesh are your masters, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6not in the way of eyeservice, as men-pleasers; but as servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

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News Item6/15/09 12:53 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
John Yurich USA wrote:
What is with you and the other Evangelical Protestants on here anyway? Why do you guys keep stating that when one becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and unite with some type of Evangelical Protestant Church? Is it because you guys think that when everybody stands before Jesus after they pass away that He will require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to an Evangelical Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior? You guys should know that church membership is totally superfluous to gaining entrance into Heaven because nowhere in the Bible is church membership equated with salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven.
But John, what about the unscriptural parts to the Mass?
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News Item6/15/09 12:52 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
John Yurich USA wrote:
What is with you and the other Evangelical Protestants on here anyway?
*John Yurich* --
Questions:

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that you can lose your salvation?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST believe they can.

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe in purgatory?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that you were born again at baptism?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that a RC priest has the power and authority to forgive sins?
ALL Roman Catholics do -- and MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that the consecrated host is the ACTUAL body & blood of Christ?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you attend Mass on August 15 (Assumption of Mary) and December 8 (Immaculate Conception of Mary) under penalty of mortal sin [and eternal condemnation] if you should NOT attend?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that the sacrifice of the Mass is the ACTUAL & SAME sacrifice as what Christ suffered in A.D. 30 only bloodless?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

As a Roman Catholic, do you believe that you are saved by faith PLUS works?
ALL Roman Catholics MUST!

What are you doing calling yourself a Roman Catholic???

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News Item6/15/09 11:39 AM
GK  Find all comments by GK
John Yurich USA wrote:
What is with you and the other Evangelical Protestants on here anyway? Why do you guys keep stating that when one becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and unite with some type of Evangelical Protestant Church?
it has to be repeated over and over and over again for those people who find it difficult to accept and/or understand

much like yourself,John......much like yourself

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News Item6/15/09 8:53 AM
John Yurich USA | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich USA
Jim Lincoln wrote:
Tony, I am glad you got her out the Roman Catholic Church. ]Are We Catholic Bashing?, no when we are trying to save them from eternal damanation, which the the Armstrong supporters face just as badly. We have many good ex-Catholics at IHCC, and I hope some good ex-Methodists as well.
What is with you and the other Evangelical Protestants on here anyway? Why do you guys keep stating that when one becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and unite with some type of Evangelical Protestant Church? Is it because you guys think that when everybody stands before Jesus after they pass away that He will require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to an Evangelical Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior? You guys should know that church membership is totally superfluous to gaining entrance into Heaven because nowhere in the Bible is church membership equated with salvation and gaining entrance into Heaven.
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News Item6/14/09 4:16 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Tony, I am glad you got her out the Roman Catholic Church. ]Are We Catholic Bashing?, no when we are trying to save them from eternal damanation, which the the Armstrong supporters face just as badly. We have many good ex-Catholics at IHCC, and I hope some good ex-Methodists as well.
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News Item6/13/09 12:03 PM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
Jim Lincoln wrote:
I hope he got out of that organization, Tony...
Jim, He Was A Very HARDENED Armstrongist. He Would Constantly Berate Roman-"Catholicism" As Being The Whore-Church Of Revelation 17&18 (Which Is The Authorized-Biblical & Historic Truth)--But Would Say Nil About Herbert W. Armstrong's Heresies; Or Garner Ted Armstrong's (Herbert's Son's) Confessed & Professed Adulteries.

I Lead Andrea To The LORD Jesus Christ Of The Authorized Holy Bible During Our Freshman Year In Highschool.

She Was Raised Roman-"Catholic" By Her Mother--And Constantly Badgered By Her Father To "Convert" & "Leave That 'Babylonian' Cult" & Join Him In His Religion of "Armstrongism" or "The World-Wide 'Church' Of God" !

My Heart Greatly Hurt For Andrea; As She Would Cry & Share With Me How Her Father Had Only Hate In His Heart For Roman-"Catholics"-- & Hate In His Heart For Her Because She Would Not "Convert".

I Explained To Andrea, After Leading Her To The TRUE Christ Of The Authorized Holy Bible, That A TRUE Born-Again Christian Will HATE The Roman-"Catholic" System--For It Is Counterfeit Christianity--But Eternally LOVE The Roman-"Catholic" People: Who Are Ignorantly & Blindly Enslaved To That Wicked Hellish & Accursed System Of Idolatry & "Nicolaitanism".

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News Item6/12/09 2:15 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I hope he got out of that organization, Tony. Armstrongism is still with us, even in its more malevolent forms. Of course British Israelism is utter nonsense, British Israelism: A Mirage. What also should be listened to, What Will Become of Israel?.

Armstrongism has a lot in common with URL=http://www.johnankerberg.org/Articles/_PDFArchives/roman-catholicism/RC2W0601.pdf>Roman Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses, and one hss to be on guard against Counterfeit Christians.

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News Item6/12/09 10:32 AM
Tony Lopez-Cisneros  Find all comments by Tony Lopez-Cisneros
My Highschool Sweetheart Andrea Waitz's Father, Mr. Joseph Waitz, Was Somewhat Like These Door-To-Door Mormon Missionaries--Except He Was An Ardent Member Of Herbert W. Armstrong's British-Israelist False-Christian-CULT: "The World Church Of God" !
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