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THURSDAY, APR 16, 2009  |  16 comments
Texas Gov. Rick Perry fires up an anti-tax 'tea party'
Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights as some in his U.S. flag-waving audience shouted, "Secede!"

An animated Perry told the crowd at Austin City Hall — one of three tea parties he was attending across the state — that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government. He said the federal government is strangling Americans with taxation, spending and debt.

Perry repeated his running theme that Texas' economy is in relatively good shape compared with other states and with the "federal budget mess." Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package.

Perry called his supporters patriots. Later, answering news reporters' questions, Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up ...


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News Item4/19/09 9:19 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Neil,

I agree with your concise definitions of "Founding Fathers and "Christian". However, it seems a bit inconsistent to state that a far majority of our founders could be proven to be unbelievers and then to later post that this would be difficult to prove.

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News Item4/19/09 12:15 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
By "Founding Fathers" I meant those who authored the Declaration & our Constitution. By "Christian" I meant those who believe the Gospel (1 Cor. 15:3-4). Determining who of the former was the latter is a difficult business, & an unnecessary exercise anyway, in my view.
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News Item4/19/09 12:03 PM
savedbygrace | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by savedbygrace
Neil,

Concerning our foundation, I guess that would depend on how one would define "Founding Fathers" and "Christian".

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News Item4/19/09 1:42 AM
Alan H | Washington State  Protected NameFind all comments by Alan H
"Let all the world learn to give mortal men no greater power than they are content they shall use--for use it they will. And unless they be better taught of God, they will use it ever and anon: it may be, make it the passage of their proceeding to speak what they will. And they that have liberty to speak great things, you will find it to be true, they will speak great blasphemies. No man would think what desperate deceit and wickedness there is in the hearts of men....

There is a strain in a man's heart that will sometime or other run to excess, unless the Lord restrain it; but it is not good to venture it.

It is necessary, therefore, that all power that is on earth be limited, church-power or other. If there be power given to speak great things, then look for great blasphemies, look for a licentious abuse of it. It is counted a matter of danger to the state to limit prerogatives; but it is a further danger not to have them limited; they will be like a tempest if they be not limited. A prince himself cannot tell where he will confine himself, nor can the people tell; but if he have liberty to speak great things, then he will make and unmake, say and unsay, and undertake such things as are neither for his own honor nor for the safety of the state." John Cotton (1584-1652)

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News Item4/17/09 7:33 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
prince charles wrote:
KK does that mean that under the american constitution individual states do NOT have to sign up to the federal agenda ? IOW if a state chose to say outlaw sodomy and teach creation in schools - could they do it ?
I looked up the Texas Constitution:

ARTICLE I.
Bill of Rights.

That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government may be recognized and established, we declare:

SECTION 1. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States; and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government unimpaired to all the States.

SEC. 2. All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!

America's PROBLEM ??? "We" HAVE TURNED FROM GOD AND "We" NO LONGER ADHERE TO "Our" CONSTITUTION !!!

KK

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News Item4/17/09 2:58 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
By "Biblical" politician I assume you mean one who respects the Law of God (consciously or not) in the political sphere. Conceivably, even a non-Christian politican could be Biblical, however inconsistent that would seem. This would explain the US "Founding Fathers," for instance, many of whom were not demonstrably Christian.

In this case, seeking national funds for local projects violates the 8th Commandment, for voters outside a state would be paying for programs they would not obviously benefit from. It's like expecting me to help pay for my neighbor's home remodelling.

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News Item4/17/09 2:20 PM
prince charles | wales  Find all comments by prince charles
Neil wrote:
"Charles," much State autonomy over the years has been subverted by Federal funds offered with strings attached, such as have attended the recent stimulus package. It takes much political nerve to turn down "free" money like that, since most voters seem to side with the candidate who promises them more of other people's money for assorted local public projects.
Pursuant to the previous post, I have seen several cases where church constitutions were willfully ignored by both pastors & congregations when there was a perceived benefit in doing so. If not even Christians will heed their covenants, why should we expect unbelievers to do better?
thx neil

that reminds me of the saying all democracies devolve into totalitarianism but i cant remember who said it

anyway it seems then that states could have more autonomy but choose not to or at least chosse not to be biblical

it would be fascinating to see a biblical politician buck the trend

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News Item4/17/09 12:52 PM
San Jose John | San Jose, CA  Find all comments by San Jose John
Angela Wittman wrote:
...But, perhaps there will be hope due to the home schooled generation coming of age and getting politically involved...
I too am hoping that much of this "cream" (home-schooled generation) will "rise to the top" of our nation's leadership in the near future.

Still, even good leaders can be corrupted by an already-very-corrupt society. Much prayer needed here.

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News Item4/17/09 11:37 AM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
"Charles," much State autonomy over the years has been subverted by Federal funds offered with strings attached, such as have attended the recent stimulus package. It takes much political nerve to turn down "free" money like that, since most voters seem to side with the candidate who promises them more of other people's money for assorted local public projects.

Pursuant to the previous post, I have seen several cases where church constitutions were willfully ignored by both pastors & congregations when there was a perceived benefit in doing so. If not even Christians will heed their covenants, why should we expect unbelievers to do better?

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News Item4/17/09 11:36 AM
Hearose-upfromthe grave | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by Hearose-upfromthe grave
I have a copy of, "Elementary Catechism on the Constitution of the United States, For the use of the schools", by Arthur Stansbury, 1828. It was edited by William H. Huff in 1993.
I find it interesting that in his

Preface near the end he writes:
"The current PROGRESS toward GLOBAL TOTALITARIAN SOCIALISM stands in stark contrast to the FOUNDING PRINCIPLES that forged this great nation."

Like any catechism, it is not perfect and accordingly must be judged with the primary sources. It is very revealing as to how America has been duped by dumbing down the masses and by not following a strict, natural reading of our Constitution, we are being overthrown by our own government right before our eyes.

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News Item4/17/09 10:11 AM
Angela Wittman | SW Illinois, uSA  Find all comments by Angela Wittman
Dear Prince Charles,
There is a doctrine of the lower or lesser magistrate, so yes, righteous Americans could take back their communities and states. The trouble is many have been dumbed down in the gov't schools and do not know this. But, perhaps there will be hope due to the home schooled generation coming of age and getting politically involved... But to answer your question: Yes. America's leaders are a reflection of America.
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News Item4/17/09 4:45 AM
prince charles | wales  Find all comments by prince charles
so they could if they wanted to but they dont because broadly speaking the federal government does reflect the wishes of the states ?
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News Item4/17/09 3:48 AM
Hearose-upfromthe grave | Harrisburg, PA  Find all comments by Hearose-upfromthe grave
prince charles,

There was a time when most if not all of the states here had anti-sodomy laws. I can remember when Kentucky repealed its longstanding anti-sodomy law. I am not sure if any states have them today as our standard of Biblical principles has been dropped.

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News Item4/16/09 5:15 PM
prince charles | wales  Find all comments by prince charles
KK does that mean that under the american constitution individual states do NOT have to sign up to the federal agenda ? IOW if a state chose to say outlaw sodomy and teach creation in schools - could they do it ?
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News Item4/16/09 5:09 PM
KK | USA  Find all comments by KK
Well it seems Gov. Perry has decided not to drink THE "OBAMAnation" KOOL AID that so many are partaking of today !!! -- GOOD FOR HIM !!! -- GOOD FOR TEXAS !!!

I'm sure everyone has seen the article on SermonAudio that reads --- "Gov. Perry Backs Resolution Affirming Texas’ Sovereignty Under 10th Amendment"

In that article Perry said, “I believe that our federal government has become oppressive in its size, its intrusion into the lives of our citizens, and its interference with the affairs of our state," ...

Gov. Perry approved the House Concurrent Resolution (HCR) 50 in support of states’ rights under the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Gov. Perry best watch out ---- according to THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY report, Dated: April 7, 2009 -- he's now a real Domestic Right-wing Terrorist !!!

In that DHS report it said, "... In addition, the historical election of an African American president and the prospect of policy changes are proving to be a driving force for rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalization."

NOTHING LIKE SEEING "Our" TAX DOLLARS BEING USED SO "wIsEly" ...

All the "DUNG" Obama is DUMPING ON "Us" ... it's getting TOO DEEP ... "We" are going to have BIG TROUBLE digging "Our" way out !!!

Veritas Vincit !!!

KK

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News Item4/16/09 9:13 AM
end times scenario  Find all comments by end times scenario
"that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principles of limited government"

"Many in the crowd held signs deriding President Barack Obama and the $786 billion federal economic stimulus package."

What is happening to America the Land of the Free??? AND the Home of the overtaxed?

The United *Socialist* States of America is changing today and no one seems to prevent this happening.

Liberalism is winning America for the lefties.

The end is nigh!!

See what happens when the people dump the Bible?

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

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