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WEDNESDAY, MAR 11, 2009  |  79 comments
Calvinism tensions at Baptist seminary
Randall Easter, a student and five-point Calvinist at SWBTS and pastor of First Baptist Church of Briar, near Fort Worth, told CT that tensions remained on campus over the possible firings. He said that some professors who hold to Calvinism told him they had recently been called into meetings with Patterson.

"They started with four-point and five-point Calvinists," Easter said. "They said they were asked about their soteriology, their view of salvation. They were left with the impression that they may or may not be laid off because of their soteriology."

Although Patterson has publicly expressed concerns about Calvinist tenets that he thinks might hurt evangelism, he has said the issue should not divide Southern Baptists. He and close friend Albert Mohler, the Calvinist president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, debated the issue at the 2006 Southern Baptist Convention. ...


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John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Candle Lit wrote:
Thank you for sharing more of your testimony, John. You are a blessing.
It would seem that the Lord led us to read some of the same writers, and that some of the same people influenced our lives on a similar timeline.
That's a blessing because I know of few of like-mind and heart. For many the Bible is a good book, just words on paper, but for others they are life.
Psalm 119:103 says, "How sweet are your words to my taste! Yes, sweeter than honey to my mouth! And, so they are!
Yes CandleLit it sure is wonderful how the living Lord Jesus leads us into the pastures green, across difficult crags, up mountains, down mountains, through rough terrain, in the valleys, with sometimes only one set of footprints. And all this for his precious flock, individually, no matter where in the world they are, no matter at what stage they are in their life, and no matter what they currently believe incorrectly. The Spirit leads all into truth eventually.

I love the Psalm 119 you mentioned.

Psalms 119:97 KJV MEM. "O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day."

God's word is so full of life, you can feel its power the moment you start to read.

Alas I must now carry on with painting the estuary.

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News Item3/17/09 9:11 AM
Candle Lit  Find all comments by Candle Lit
John UK wrote:
After my conversion I began to read the Bible in big chunks, and it was not long before I saw predestination and election and a particular redemption of some only. It disturbed me so much that I went to my pastor about it. He was very kind and gracious towards me, and gave me a similar booklet to read that you mentioned. I think it was called Tulip, and it was written by Charles Spurgeon. In that booklet, which was ideal for me as a newly saved soul, I discovered wondrous things, and realised I had misinterpreted the Bible in a bad way. I've never forgotten that great little booklet which helped me see the truth in the correct way.
It is very sad when these glorious truths are misunderstood; that's what leads to ion
Thank you for sharing more of your testimony, John. You are a blessing.

It would seem that the Lord led us to read some of the same writers, and that some of the same people influenced our lives on a similar timeline.

That's a blessing because I know of few of like-mind and heart. For many the Bible is a good book, just words on paper, but for others they are life.

Psalm 119:103 says, "How sweet are your words to my taste! Yes, sweeter than honey to my mouth! And, so they are!

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News Item3/16/09 8:41 PM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Candle Lit wrote:
Well, now, this is the Calvin we all know and love.
My first exposure to TULIP was when I was at a friend's home and picked up a little booklet with the acronym and the explanations of each doctrine. A quick read seemed to line up with Scripture, and thereafter, I agreed with those referring to themselves as "calvinists." That was until I came on these boards. It got 'ing.
It is always nice to hear a real testimony, Candle Lit, of how the Lord led us along the way.

After my conversion I began to read the Bible in big chunks, and it was not long before I saw predestination and election and a particular redemption of some only. It disturbed me so much that I went to my pastor about it. He was very kind and gracious towards me, and gave me a similar booklet to read that you mentioned. I think it was called Tulip, and it was written by Charles Spurgeon. In that booklet, which was ideal for me as a newly saved soul, I discovered wondrous things, and realised I had misinterpreted the Bible in a bad way. I've never forgotten that great little booklet which helped me see the truth in the correct way.

It is very sad when these glorious truths are misunderstood; that's what leads to ion

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News Item3/16/09 10:17 AM
pew view  Find all comments by pew view
Mike wrote:
"If any man hear my words." After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, ......Calvin on John 12:47
Mike
Not sure why you are reading/posting Calvin, But if it is a continuation of "Limited Atonement" then I assume what you are trying to prove is; [1] The aspect of ineffectual atonement [2] The basis of free will theory in saving oneself.

As to the verse

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, (= Point being WHO CAN receive the truth/or not) I judge him not: (= Judging is not the reason in his work here) for I came not to judge the world, but to save (= Saving is the work for now. But HE knows He will not save all, and knows HIS OWN) the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, (= The "rejector" is not one of the elect) and receiveth not (= He "cannot" receive Jesus words) my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. (= Judgment day The Gospel will be the means of conviction of sin)

Jesus stated
"That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."Mk 4.12

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News Item3/16/09 10:11 AM
Candle Lit  Find all comments by Candle Lit
Mike wrote:
After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, though even here he mitigates the severity due to the wickedness of those who deliberately — as it were — reject God; for he delays to pronounce judgment on them, because, on the contrary, he has come for the salvation of all. In the first place, we ought to understand that he does not speak here of all unbelievers without distinction, but of those who, knowingly and willingly, reject the doctrine of the Gospel which has been exhibited to them. Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent."
Calvin on John 12:47
Well, now, this is the Calvin we all know and love.

My first exposure to TULIP was when I was at a friend's home and picked up a little booklet with the acronym and the explanations of each doctrine. A quick read seemed to line up with Scripture, and thereafter, I agreed with those referring to themselves as "calvinists." That was until I came on these boards. It got 'ing.

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News Item3/16/09 9:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
Mike wrote:
"If any man hear my words." After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, though even here he mitigates the severity due to the wickedness of those who deliberately — as it were — reject God; for he delays to pronounce judgment on them, because, on the contrary, he has come for the salvation of all. In the first place, we ought to understand that he does not speak here of all unbelievers without distinction, but of those who, knowingly and willingly, reject the doctrine of the Gospel which has been exhibited to them. Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent."
Calvin on John 12:47
.....knowingly and willingly, REJECT the doctrine of the GOSPEL which has been exhibited TO THEM.....

S'funny, I'm sure I read several of the Frenchie Flag Flyers (FFF's) who said that a man could not reject the gospel. Ah well, perhaps it's me who was not reading slowly enough.

The Bible sure says that men reject Christ, and God judges them for so doing.

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News Item3/16/09 8:52 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"If any man hear my words." After having spoken concerning his grace, and exhorted his disciples to steady faith, he now begins to strike the rebellious, though even here he mitigates the severity due to the wickedness of those who deliberately — as it were — reject God; for he delays to pronounce judgment on them, because, on the contrary, he has come for the salvation of all. In the first place, we ought to understand that he does not speak here of all unbelievers without distinction, but of those who, knowingly and willingly, reject the doctrine of the Gospel which has been exhibited to them. Why then does Christ not choose to condemn them? It is because he lays aside for a time the office of a judge, and offers salvation to all without reserve, and stretches out his arms to embrace all, that all may be the more encouraged to repent."

Calvin on John 12:47

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News Item3/15/09 4:14 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
problemsolved, yes it is solved the Israel and the Church are most assuredly not the same! The Promises to Israel and Does God Have a Future for Israel?: A Study of Romans 11
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News Item3/15/09 11:51 AM
problemsolved  Find all comments by problemsolved
Mike wrote:
Fascinating interpretation.
Peter is writing to Jewish Christians. The referred false prophets were among the people of Israel(past), and in similar fashion false teachers "shall be.. among you."(future) "Them" refers to the false teachers, not the Church, which didn't exist "in old time
Nope!
God is writing to the whole church in the Bible.

Peter's verse is essentially drawing attention to the fact of False Teachers as a reality in the church of whatever age. AND their false doctrine! NOT asserting that the reprobate is in any way saved then dropped. This is part of the free will hypothesis with a basis to establish man-made salvation.
Peter is addressing the whole church out of which SOME are "bought by the Lord" - But as Paul teaches NOT all Israel IS Israel.

Of course the False Preacher denies Christ because he does not know him eg Matt 7:21-23. But the False Teacher still manages to get into the pulpit whether in first century church or twenty first century church.
He is still NOT saved and NOR is he offered the Blood of the Lamb for that purpose.
Chris't blood is ONLY effectual to/for the elect and is/was never offered by the Lord to the NON-elect!

As for 2Pe 1:21 = Try instead reading 2Pe 2:9.

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News Item3/15/09 9:37 AM
rogerant | Saskatoon, Canada  Contact via emailFind all comments by rogerant
theologicallythin wrote:
http://www.freepres.org/daily.asp
BTW it is outsidethecamp who should be in the hall of shame
http://www.outsidethecamp.org/heterodoxyhall.htm
Yes, If all these saints are heretics, who can be saved?

If they are outside of the camp, then so is the Lord. I will go meet Him outside the camp with Moses.

Exodus 33:7 Moses took his tent and pitched it outside the camp, far from the camp, and called it the tabernacle of meeting. And it came to pass that everyone who sought the Lord went out to the tabernacle of meeting which was outside the camp.

John 10:1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them OUT.

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News Item3/15/09 8:55 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
theologicallythin wrote:
http://www.freepres.org/daily.asp
John
Have a look at the daily reading today above and then spend some time on the site below-especially Genuine Historical Calvinism. You'll be surprised when you see who is under attack and what they actually believe-including Calvin. BTW it is outsidethecamp who should be in the hall of shame
http://www.outsidethecamp.org/heterodoxyhall.htm
I am thankful for your posts thus far, and I can truly say that whenever I read 'Eagles Wings' I am always encouraged, blessed, convicted, reproved, whatever. Ulster is all the more blessed for having the FPCU in the midst.

The Hall of Shame is a very unusual website. But it seems to have a great resource of quotations from those whom I love in the Lord. I will look into it further from time to time.

Are they bad?

Sure, they are very bad!

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News Item3/15/09 7:59 AM
theologicallythin  Find all comments by theologicallythin
http://www.freepres.org/daily.asp

John

Have a look at the daily reading today above and then spend some time on the site below-especially Genuine Historical Calvinism. You'll be surprised when you see who is under attack and what they actually believe-including Calvin. BTW it is outsidethecamp who should be in the hall of shame

http://www.outsidethecamp.org/heterodoxyhall.htm

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News Item3/15/09 6:08 AM
John UK | Wales  Find all comments by John UK
theologicallythin wrote:
The PRC of America is the main denomination that is given the tag 'hyper'.
Now forgive a personal observation. I know ministries who would be tagged 'hyper' as they believe regeneration preceeds faith and hold to a limited atonement-if that is how you want to define 'hyper'. Yet these ministries are Christ exalting and usually expository preaching. How is it that there are free offer gospel brethren preaching on the streets and never see a conversion. Yet we have brethren mentioned above where sinners have told amazing testimonies how God brought them 'by chance' into the house of preaching and the minister had the exact word that was meant for that soul, either a convicting word or a saving word?
Is it a mystery? I ceased a long time ago to grade (degrade) true brethren and find the Lord will evidence His true servants even if they bear any tag of perceived shame.
Let us be sure our theological expertise is indeed blessed of the Lord-or might such knowledge lack a vital?
Very good post, my friend.

If these anointed brethren will step out into the world, as Jesus taught, they may see even more sinners saved.
_______
Jago

Quite right, but I said "based on the name of a man, angel or SECT".

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News Item3/15/09 1:20 AM
jago | Australia  Find all comments by jago
john UK,
Whose name is used in presbyterianism?
Surely it is named for the form of government used in scripture.
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News Item3/14/09 10:52 PM
cruxofthematter  Find all comments by cruxofthematter
Re: 2 Peter 2:1

Redemptive or non-redemptive?

"In Conclusion

We are left then with two possible understandings to the text:

1. The term is being used redemptively. Hence these were men who were bought by Christ (purchased, redeemed) but lost their salvation when they became apostate.

2. The term is being used non-redemptively; hence Peter is not addressing the extent of the atonement, but is providing an OT example (similar to Deut. 32:5-6) of a sovereign master (despot) who had purchased slaves and on that basis commanded their allegiance."

http://vintage.aomin.org/2PE21.html

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News Item3/14/09 7:39 PM
John Gill  Find all comments by John Gill
and even denying the Lord that bought them; not the Lord Jesus Christ, but God the Father; for the word κυριος is not here used, which always is where Christ is spoken of as the Lord, but δεσποτης; and which is expressive of the power which masters have over their servants (i), and which God has over all mankind; and wherever this word is elsewhere used, it is spoken of God the Father, whenever applied to a divine person, as in Luk_2:29 … the meaning is not that they were redeemed by the blood of Christ, for Christ is not intended; and besides, whenever redemption by Christ is spoken of, the price is usually mentioned, or some circumstance or another which fully determines the sense; see Act_20:28..
“but the word "bought" regards temporal mercies and deliverance, which these men enjoyed, and is used as an aggravation of their sin in denying the Lord; both by words, … providence, promises, and truths; and by works… that they should act this part against the Lord who had made them, and upheld them in their beings and took care of them in his providence…in Deu_32:6 from whence this phrase is borrowed, and to which it manifestly refers: "...is not he thy Father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee,and est
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News Item3/14/09 7:33 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
problemsolved wrote:
2Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways"
Especially when it is so simple
"even denying the Lord that bought them"
The word "them" here is collective.
NOT specifying the unsaved false teachers or false believers, But identifying what Christ had done for HIS CHURCH.
V2 Goes on to identify "many" who shall follow the false teachers, they were not purchased by Christ either.
English comprehension can so easily be marred by doctrinal error.
Fascinating interpretation.

Peter is writing to Jewish Christians. The referred false prophets were among the people of Israel(past), and in similar fashion false teachers "shall be.. among you."(future) "Them" refers to the false teachers, not the Church, which didn't exist "in old time." Read 2 Peter 1:21 thru 2 Peter 2:1 to connect the dots.

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News Item3/14/09 7:10 PM
Honesty Demanded  Find all comments by Honesty Demanded
problemsolved wrote:
2Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways"
Especially when it is so simple
"even denying the Lord that bought them"
The word "them" here is collective.
NOT specifying the unsaved false teachers or false believers, But identifying what Christ had done for HIS CHURCH.
V2 Goes on to identify "many" who shall follow the false teachers, they were not purchased by Christ either.
English comprehension can so easily be marred by doctrinal error.
Nah!

If that were the case the text could simply have read "denying the Lord that bought YOU", or if a more general reference was required the author could even have written "denying the Lord that bought the CHURCH".

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News Item3/14/09 6:28 PM
problemsolved  Find all comments by problemsolved
Mike wrote:
But his analysis of 2 Peter 2:1 is not good, in light of what he's trying to demonstrate. Consider his use of the following terms:
"it could simply refer to.."
"if these false teachers were Jewish.."
2Pet 2:1 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways"

Especially when it is so simple

"even denying the Lord that bought them"

The word "them" here is collective.
NOT specifying the unsaved false teachers or false believers, But identifying what Christ had done for HIS CHURCH.

V2 Goes on to identify "many" who shall follow the false teachers, they were not purchased by Christ either.

English comprehension can so easily be marred by doctrinal error.

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News Item3/14/09 6:28 PM
DJC49 | Florida  Contact via emailFind all comments by DJC49
Mike wrote:
There is some good stuff in Phil Johnson's "The Nature of the Atonement." But his analysis of 2 Peter 2:1 is not good, in light of what he's trying to demonstrate. Consider his use of the following terms:
"it could simply refer to.."
"if these false teachers were Jewish.."
"as it appears they were.."
"then this might even be.."
"Peter may have been paraphrasing.."
"Peter may have simply meant.."
"He may have been making the point..'
Certainly use of these fuzzy phrases do nothing to support his position which denies the plain sense of the verse.
*Mike* | New York --

I wholeheartedly agree that Phil Johnson did a rather slipshod job of exegeting 2 Peter 2:1 ... I've read MUCH better. But remember, he was winding down a 1 hour talk on the extent of the Atonement and his treatment of this verse was done only in passing. He probably spent all of 2 minutes talking about it.

But this too:
2 Peter 2:1 is anything BUT a verse of Scripture with a CLEAR and plain sense; that is, unless, of course, the verse buttresses one's presuppositions upon immediate reading. If this is the case, then a quick reading of it without much investigation will suffice.

See: 2 Pet 2:1 -- The Reformed view

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