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FRONT PAGE  |  9/23/2017
SUNDAY, NOV 16, 2008  |  14 comments
Diocese of Fort Worth splits from Episcopal Church
NEW YORK — The theologically conservative Diocese of Fort Worth voted Saturday to split from the liberal-leaning Episcopal Church, the fourth traditional diocese to do so in a long-running debate over the Bible, gay relationships and other issues.

About 80 percent of clergy and parishioners in the Texas diocese supported the break in a series of votes at a diocesan convention.

The Steering Committee North Texas Episcopalians, an umbrella group for those who want to stay with the denomination, plans to reorganize the diocese. They promised that "the Episcopal Church's work of Christian ministry and evangelization will go forward" in the region. ...


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News Item11/19/08 6:20 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Jim Lincoln,

Seeing as you are from Nebraska are you old enough to remember the killing spree in 1957 and 1958 in Nebraska of Charles Starkweather and Caril Ann Fugate? Do you believe that Fugate was a willing participate in those homicides?

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News Item11/18/08 11:39 AM
Here24  Find all comments by Here24
John Yurich wrote:
why do you guys keep stating that when someone becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic
"Not every kind of knowledge, even God’s Truth and His Christ, is effectual and saving. There is a form of knowledge, as well as of godliness, which is destitute of power—

"which hast the form of knowledge and of the truth in the law" (Romans 2:20).

The reference is to the Jews, who were instructed in the Scriptures, and considered themselves well qualified to teach others; yet the Truth had not been written on their hearts by the Holy Spirit. A "form of knowledge" signifies there was a model of it in their brains, so that they were able to discourse freely and fluently upon the things of God, yet were they without the life of God in their souls. O how many have a knowledge of salvation, yet not a knowledge unto salvation, as the apostle distinguishes it in 2 Timothy 3:15—such a knowledge as the latter must be imparted to the soul by the miracle-working operation of the Holy Spirit."
(A W Pink)

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News Item11/18/08 10:22 AM
Sincere advice.  Find all comments by Sincere advice.
John Yurich wrote:
for gaining entrance into Heaven:
(1)Become Born Again
(2)Leave the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestant Churches
(3)Join a Evangelical Protestant Church
Here is the Bible's version, John.....

(1) Election by God.
Jo 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
[Salvation by works doesn't work John]

(2) Paricipate in a TRUE Witness.
1Cor 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
[Sorry John, no alabaster statuettes and icons allowed]

(3) Become a part of the TRUE Church.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[NB this is not the Pope, John]

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News Item11/18/08 7:12 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Max wrote:
If you are born again then it would be impossible for you to remain in an apostate church such as the Roman Catholic Church with their idolatry and Mary worship and transubstantiation!
God commands that we 'come out' of apostate churches.
If you guys keep stating that when a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Mainline Protestant becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Mainline Protestant Churches and join a Evangelical Protestant Church then you guys are stating that there are three requirement for gaining entrance into Heaven:
(1)Become Born Again
(2)Leave the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox and Mainline Protestant Churches
(3)Join a Evangelical Protestant Church

If you guys believe that there is only one requirement for gaining entrance into Heaven namely receive Jesus as Savior then why do you guys keep stating that when someone becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox Church and Mainline Protestant Churches and join a Evangelical Protestant Church?

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News Item11/18/08 4:42 AM
Max | London  Find all comments by Max
If you are born again then it would be impossible for you to remain in an apostate church such as the Roman Catholic Church with their idolatry and Mary worship and transubstantiation!

God commands that we 'come out' of apostate churches.

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News Item11/17/08 2:18 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
A man, Dialect! I seem to have a hard time getting John to listen to the sermon of, The Doctrine of Apostates, which is an elaboration of what you said. Come out of the Catholic Church.
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News Item11/17/08 10:43 AM
Dialect  Find all comments by Dialect
John Yurich wrote:
....becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches and join some type of Evangelical Protestant Church?

....He will require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Evangelical Protestant Church

JY
It's a bit like your frame of mind John, where you claim to be a true Christian but do not join with the real witness churches. These Anglican people have a great deal more wrong in there theology than just rejecting the abomination and illegal female intrusion into the pulpit.
Long before the so called "conservative" element decided that deletion of Biblical law was unacceptable, they were already embracing Satanic Liberalism, which is precisely why the perversion and gender confusion of roles became acceptable to them. The root was already compromised with iniquity.

2John 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.... 10. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house"

It's rather like your Papists John, they are servants of the antchrist, - therefore; "Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: FROM SUCH TURN AWAY.2Tim 3:5.

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News Item11/17/08 9:12 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Well, John, you are sort of right this time. The original confession of the Episcopal(Anglican) church confesses that scirpture alone is the source of faith and salvation:

"VI. Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation.
Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an article of the Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation."

I see no reason to be critical of the conservative Anglicans. I support their exodus in order to maintain their freedom to believe what God's word has stated on the matter of homosexuality. They are maintaining Scritpure Alone in a quite literal and Biblical understanding and that renders me as having no grounds on which to base a justifiable accusation against them.

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News Item11/17/08 7:42 AM
HiChris | MI  Protected NameFind all comments by HiChris
John,

I hope I'm not opening a can of worms.

Why? Because the doctrines of those 'denominations' go against the Bible. Christians are charged to repent and put sin behind them - so continuing to go to a church that's main focus is not to preach Christ, leaves one open to false doctrine and means that one cannot truly share in the communion of the saints.

Now if you were to ask, are there Christians in those churches, yes there are. And some are working to reform those churches, but too many sit silently - and appear to approve the false beliefs.

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News Item11/17/08 6:36 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Dialect and Jim Lincoln,

What is with you guys anyway? If the Episcopal Dioces of Fort Worth, Texas has split from the National Episcopal Church because the Fort Worth Diocese is against homosexuality and the ordination of women priests then that means that the Episcopal Diocese of Fort Worth, Texas is a Bible believing church. Why do you guys keep stating that when a Catholic, Eastern Orthodox or Mainline Protestant becomes Born Again that they have to leave the Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church or Mainline Protestant Churches and join some type of Evangelical Protestant Church? Is it because you guys believe that when everybody stands before Jesus after they pass away that He will require for entrance into Heaven that everybody had belonged to a Evangelical Protestant Church in addition to having received Him as their Savior and Lord?

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News Item11/16/08 6:08 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
"However, the secessions have a large cost to the national church, not only in legal expenses and lost donations from the dioceses, but also in damage to the Episcopal public image as the U.S. church struggles to keep its place in the global Anglican family."

I wonder how it would work for their church if it struggled to keep its place in Christ.

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News Item11/16/08 4:21 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Good to see them hold to real Biblical understanding on this matter.
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News Item11/16/08 3:48 PM
dialect  Find all comments by dialect
"The theologically conservative Diocese of Fort Worth voted Saturday to split from the liberal-leaning Episcopal Church, the fourth traditional diocese to do so in a long-running debate over the Bible, gay relationships and other issues."

What Gene Robinson has done for this church of apostasy, is generating some real thinking amongst the congregations. Perhaps some might even think themselves into a real Bible believing church.

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News Item11/16/08 3:22 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
It would have just been easier for individuals to understand What to Look for in a Church. Even our Reformed Church friends would probably say that they haven't gone far enough to distance themselves from apostasy Disassociate with False Teachers
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