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FRIDAY, OCT 24, 2008  |  20 comments
Study finds more U.S. Orthodox Christian converts
A new study of Orthodox Christians in America has found a larger-than-expected number of converts, mostly from Roman Catholic and evangelical Protestant backgrounds.

The report, released by the Patriarch Athenagoras Orthodox Institute in Berkeley, Calif., surveyed 1,000 members of Greek Orthodox or Orthodox Church in America congregations, which represent about 60% of America's estimated 1.2 million Orthodox Christians.

Although Orthodox churches were historically immigrant communities, the study found that nine out of 10 parishioners are now American-born. Thousands of members had converted to the faith as adults: 29% of Greek Orthodox are converts, as are 51% of the OCA. ...


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News Item10/26/08 4:09 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I apologize, Neil for getting your name wrong. My eyes must have been playing tricks on me.

I may have misunderstood but you were saying, Neil. There is certainly a place for a person's biological family, at the same time it may not be part of one's Christian family.

There is rarely such a thing as a family church. This could only happen when there is a family of believers who are surrounded by atheists. Usually, such a family "church" is not an assembly of God. The Wichita group comes immediately to mind, as an example.

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News Item10/26/08 12:52 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Neil wrote:
Michael,
"Real thing" is sarcasm: I meant those churches that have ancient traditions of irrational mysticism & sensory worship, as opposed to their modern, wannabe "evangelical" imitators who try to do the same with more up-to-date methods (& possibly damage folks' ears in the process!).
And I forgot to tell Jim: I can hardly answer your first question w/o knowing what doctrine of Mormonism you're referring to. And please spell my name correctly!
Neil
Thanks for the post and I identify with what you are saying in how some "churches" attempt to imitate Catholicism or the world when the sinner can just go to the "real things" to indulge their sin.

And for that matter even some going into Islam too.

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News Item10/26/08 12:14 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Not in the least bit offensive, Neil. I can learn from it, I think.
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News Item10/26/08 12:09 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Correct. If my sarcasm awhile ago was offensive, I apologize.
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News Item10/26/08 12:06 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Good point, Neil. I sensed the sarcasm. I think you and I went around with this a long time back and you came at me with a similar sarcasm, but I got the point and still get it. Your point of view is based on the Regulative Principle, right?
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News Item10/26/08 12:00 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Michael,

"Real thing" is sarcasm: I meant those churches that have ancient traditions of irrational mysticism & sensory worship, as opposed to their modern, wannabe "evangelical" imitators who try to do the same with more up-to-date methods (& possibly damage folks' ears in the process!).

And I forgot to tell Jim: I can hardly answer your first question w/o knowing what doctrine of Mormonism you're referring to. And please spell my name correctly!

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News Item10/26/08 8:04 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Find all comments by Michael Hranek
Neil wrote:
Hence, why get the imitation goods when you can have the real thing? Franky Schaeffer, Gerry Matatics, & Scott Hahn figured that out.
Neil
I am puzzled by your post, if I remember correctly Scott Hahn "converted" to Roman Catholism are you saying Catholicism is the real thing? Do you mind explaining your post in a bit more detail?
Thanks
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News Item10/25/08 7:37 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Jim, your post suggests to me you utterly misunderstood what I was getting at. Does Gil Rugh tell you what car you may drive, what phone or TV service to use (if any), & what clothes you may wear? If not, then why does my post bother you?
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News Item10/25/08 6:35 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Pikestaff:

I see now. It was a nice Autumn day in Oblivion. Thanks for asking.

Pikestaff wrote:
Old bones of dead sinners, relics, a myriad of iconolatry. You name it they venerate it instead of God and His Son. But thats the way of heresy, when it replaces the truth!!
Did you have a nice day in oblivion today?
Just look at the company these idolaters keep.
1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor IDOLATERS, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
May God help them to perceive the truth.
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News Item10/25/08 3:59 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Nail, there are Guidelines for Using Our Liberties. So do you follow the Mormons' idea about family?

Matthew 10
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me.
Luke 14
26 If any man cometh unto me, and hateth not his own father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

You realize of course, your fellow church members are your family, besides any of those by accident of birth?

But finally,

Mark 3

31And there come his mother and his brethren; and, standing without, they sent unto him, calling him. 32And a multitude was sitting about him; and they say unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. 33And he answereth them, and saith, Who is my mother and my brethren? 34And looking round on them that sat round about him, he saith, Behold, my mother and my brethren! 35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

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News Item10/24/08 6:28 PM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
Which part was idolatry, Pikestaff? I missed the part in your post when you explained it.
Old bones of dead sinners, relics, a myriad of iconolatry. You name it they venerate it instead of God and His Son. But thats the way of heresy, when it replaces the truth!!
Did you have a nice day in oblivion today?

Just look at the company these idolaters keep.
1Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor IDOLATERS, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

May God help them to perceive the truth.

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News Item10/24/08 5:38 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Which part was idolatry, Pikestaff? I missed the part in your post when you explained it.

Pikestaff wrote:
"In the case of evangelical Christians, those are people who have very strong personal beliefs, they know the Bible very well, they are frequent churchgoers, and eventually they want to join an established church with deep, historical roots."
Terminology and its authentic definition is so important in debate today. Truly "Evangelical" Christians would never turn to the idolotrous practices of these old cults.
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News Item10/24/08 2:50 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Agree with CMT re Islam. Sad to say, his description seems applicable to traditionalist Anabaptists as well, who also fascinate outsiders (myself included). I say sad because however admirable they may seem, they give much authority to their church elders that Biblically belongs to the family. In this respect, they resemble cults.

Also, I see no evidence that Anabaptists cultivate systematic thinking or scholarship (& one doesn't need a university to do that). It is ironic that Rod & Staff, an Anabaptist publisher, sells Matthew Henry's Commentaries!

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News Item10/24/08 2:31 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
I agree, Pikestaff! What's So Wrong With The Eastern Orthodox Church?. Reversing the Reformation leads only to destruction for people who try to do it.
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News Item10/24/08 2:08 PM
Pikestaff  Find all comments by Pikestaff
"In the case of evangelical Christians, those are people who have very strong personal beliefs, they know the Bible very well, they are frequent churchgoers, and eventually they want to join an established church with deep, historical roots."

Terminology and its authentic definition is so important in debate today. Truly "Evangelical" Christians would never turn to the idolotrous practices of these old cults.

1Cor 10:14 "Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry."

Gal 5:19 "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 IDOLATRY,......"

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News Item10/24/08 1:05 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Same here, CMT.
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News Item10/24/08 1:03 PM
CMT  Find all comments by CMT
People may disagree, but I think people are attracted to Islam for the same or similar reasons. They want familial cohesion and "ecclesiastical" solemnity and order and they deeply crave a "covenant" community as well as scholarship. They also want law and societal structure, realizing that law and religion are inseparable. Personally, I am seeing more and more women with fair skin and blue eyes dressed in hijab in the Wal-Mart and other places. It's frightening.

Further, I know in my gut that many of these women were raised in churches like the ones Neil and you, FR have described.

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News Item10/24/08 12:52 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
I think Neil makes some good points. A lot of people are fed up with the cafeteria styles catering to emotions. Much of the Protestant churches are falling into confusion liberalism and emotion driven strategies and people are giving up and looking for something else because such strategies do not heal the soul and conscience. Unless Protestant churches get back to a solid Scripture Alone position, this trend will continue.
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News Item10/24/08 12:34 PM
CMT  Find all comments by CMT
Very good observation, Neil.

Another convert - David Chilton.

Interesting.

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News Item10/24/08 12:28 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
I posit these reasons why:
1) Anti-intellectualism in the "no creed but Christ," heart-over-mind type churches. Or at most, theology is only for the seminary grad to worry about (and like the Teaching Magisterium, we must never question him!);
2) Denial of Sola Scriptura, either in practice or principle;
3) "Protestant" attempts at emotive, sensory worship pale by comparison with what Rome & Greece offer, "praise bands" & Hawaiian shirts notwithstanding.

Hence, why get the imitation goods when you can have the real thing? Franky Schaeffer, Gerry Matatics, & Scott Hahn figured that out.

Berean Beacon has interesting articles on E. Orthodoxy. I think most of us understand it even less than Roman Catholicism.

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