Evangelicals start soul-searching at prospect of Obama win
As the words to the Christian rock song fade from the giant screens at Mountain Springs church, Pastor Steve Holt steps forward to speak to his congregation. These are perilous times, he says, but he urges them not to despair.
"There are still two weeks before the election," he says, before announcing a week of fasting and prayer in the run-up to polling day.
For conservative Christians, such as Holt and his congregation, the prospect of a Democratic victory represents sheer calamity. Yet Evangelicals have not been natural supporters of John McCain, doubting the Republican's commitment to banning abortion and gay marriage....
enough already said: "Here's a wonderful quote from John MacArthur, "It makes no difference if an unsaved person is for or against abortion, a political liberal or a conservative, a prostitute or a police officer, he will spend eternity apart from God unless he repents and believes the gospel. God has above all else called the church to bring sinful people to salvation through Jesus Christ."'
Thanks for sharing that timely admonition to the the Lord's people of John MacArthur's.
To that I give a resounding AMEN and AMEN!
Gospel Ministers are to preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED,(1 Cor. 1:23) as did the apostle Paul. Of them it was said they "turned the world upside down." (Acts 17:6)
Sadly, however, many today are of another spirit, even the spirit of the world, and use their pulpit as a political platform.
Examine the meaning of "OXYMORON" and you will find that the moniker "A Democratic Conservative" fits the definition to the letter ------ in fact it would be valid, if the Webster's Publishers should be so inclined, to add it as part of the descriptive text that outlines that which is WHOLLY OPPOSSED TO ITSELF !!!
You really didn't think that one out did you Democratic Conservative ???
You are one amongst many who has been mesmerized -- just gobbling up the mush Obama is mouthing !!! -- Choose any animal on the planet, survey that which is excreted from it's south 40 and you will find more wholesome content than that which Obama is disgorging !!!
You, "Vogue" and so many others throughout America have been SUCKERED by a master of deceit ------ all of you have proven yourselves to be EASY MARKS, having fallen for such a shyster !!! -- It's no wonder "We The People" find ourselves in such DIRE STRAITS -- "We" do now stand in opposition to GOD AND HIS HOLY WRIT !!! -- This is a people who have become seared in their consciences, are beyond "TRUE FEELING" and thus are no longer stirred by the hellish social ills that are infecting "Our" Republic !!!
South ends of northbound horses is an understatement !!!
Barry from Ky. wrote: Michael, these are all very good and valid points. I agree with you. I wish i could blink my eye and stop all the madness. I don't feel putting faith, our faith, in the hands of politicians, rather Republicans or Democrats, is the answer. I know the Republicans started a preemptive war in Iraq that killed many. McCain wants to continue this. I just can't get on board with that. I have 2 sons in the military. Sorry.
Barry from KY Thanks for the post back. You do know we can vote third party and refuse to vote for either the democrat or republican candidates.
I do believe this nation has so sinned against God that we are objects of His judgment and NOT His blessings its just that His judgment hasn't fully fallen upon us just yet.
Please be in prayer that God might mercifully bring many to full conviction of sin and lead them to confess and repent of their sins and return to Him in obedience and faith, and I have to think this includes many in our churches.
We, as Christians, need to put our hope and trust in Christ alone. Political parties are corrupt, because man is corrupt. No mortal has the solution to the mess the world is in; we need to focus on Christ and quit trying to control worldly affairs through deceitful men who promise this and that, and never follow through. Here's a wonderful quote from John MacArthur, "It makes no difference if an unsaved person is for or against abortion, a political liberal or a conservative, a prostitute or a police officer, he will spend eternity apart from God unless he repents and believes the gospel. God has above all else called the church to bring sinful people to salvation through Jesus Christ."
Michael Hranek wrote: Barry from Ky. I have no idea what Obama "explained" in the last debate. Talk is so cheap and actions (votes, etc.) speak much louder than words, "just words". And if we ask ourselves what we can do to put an end to the heinous practise of murdering babies before they are born it probably will not include putting into office democrats who are solidly or in solidarity with pro-abortion will it.
Michael, these are all very good and valid points. I agree with you. I wish i could blink my eye and stop all the madness. I don't feel putting faith, our faith, in the hands of politicians, rather Republicans or Democrats, is the answer. I know the Republicans started a preemptive war in Iraq that killed many. McCain wants to continue this. I just can't get on board with that. I have 2 sons in the military. Sorry.
Barry from Ky. wrote: Michael Hranek, I respect your opinion. I really do. But, Senator Obama doesn't support late term abortion. He explained that in the last debate. He also said it was up to us, the culture in America to let people know that there is consequences for their cavilier behavior... I do think debates like these are good for us as Christian brothers. We need to work out these issues amongst ourselves. I am against abortion. As I have stated before, I don't believe either side is very commited to stopping abortion. Maybe we should be asking ourselves what we could be doing to help stop abortion.
Barry from Ky. I have no idea what Obama "explained" in the last debate. Talk is so cheap and actions (votes, etc.) speak much louder than words, "just words".
And if we ask ourselves what we can do to put an end to the heinous practise of murdering babies before they are born it probably will not include putting into office democrats who are solidly or in solidarity with pro-abortion will it.
A Democratic Conservative wrote: Again: That's WHY Obama WILL be Elected US President on Nov. 4, 2008 ! #1.Obama is NO Sodomite. #2.His wife NEVER had an "Abortion". #3.He's been ENDORSED by A Former Top Ranking US General, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of State & World Renoun Republican: COLIN POWELL. #4.He's been ENDORSED by THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The Newspaper Founded by The US Christian-Fundamentalist Cyrus McCormick Family (Yes, THE Cyrus McCormick; The Inventor of The Cotten-Reaping "Gin"--who was a Financial Sponsor of D.L. Moody of Moody Bible Institute Fame--As Col. McCormick was an ABE LINCOLN Whig-REPUBLICAN & Anti-Vaticanist: as was THOMAS NAST) ! #5.Obama is a MEMBER of The APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH; #6.Old William Jennings Bryan Would've Voted for Obama ! #7.I, A Democratic Conservative, WILL Vote for Obama !
Again:
1) So? Neither is McCain.
2) Good. Let's make HER president.
3) A really big deal. Powell's judgement is in question, not his titles.
4) Don't other papers endorse McCain?
5) Abandoned his 20-yr. mentor "Rev" Wright to become one. Didn't need him anymore.
6) Actually, Darwin would likely vote for Obama.
7) That's because you aren't a Conservative at all.
Michael Hranek, I respect your opinion. I really do. But, Senator Obama doesn't support late term abortion. He explained that in the last debate. He also said it was up to us, the culture in America to let people know that there is consequences for their cavilier behavior... I do think debates like these are good for us as Christian brothers. We need to work out these issues amongst ourselves. I am against abortion. As I have stated before, I don't believe either side is very commited to stopping abortion. Maybe we should be asking ourselves what we could be doing to help stop abortion.
That's WHY Obama WILL be Elected US President on Nov. 4, 2008 !
#1.Obama is NO Sodomite.
#2.His wife NEVER had an "Abortion".
#3.He's been ENDORSED by A Former Top Ranking US General, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of State & World Renoun Republican: COLIN POWELL.
#4.He's been ENDORSED by THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The Newspaper Founded by The US Christian-Fundamentalist Cyrus McCormick Family (Yes, THE Cyrus McCormick; The Inventor of The Cotten-Reaping "Gin"--who was a Financial Sponsor of D.L. Moody of Moody Bible Institute Fame--As Col. McCormick was an ABE LINCOLN Whig-REPUBLICAN & Anti-Vaticanist: as was THOMAS NAST) !
#5.Obama is a MEMBER of The APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH; An African-American Branch of The Pentecostal-Holiness Deliverance Church Movement; Born Out of The World-Shaking WELSH REVIVALS of The Late-1800s/Early-1900s !
#6.Old William Jennings Bryan Would've Voted for Obama !
#7.I, A Democratic Conservative, WILL Vote for Obama !
A Democratic Conservative wrote: That's WHY Obama WILL be Elected US President on Nov. 4, 2008 ! THINK on THESE: ....
I, A Democratic Conservative, WILL Vote for Obama !
ADC No! I won't think on 'these things'. Obama is pro-abortion, even heinous partial birth abortion. Perhaps you ought to think about that as you cast your vote that despite his 'charm', his eloquent speach making, his desire to redistribute the wealth of hard working plumbers, your candidate is for the heinous practise of murdering babies as they are in the very process of being born alive.
Some candidate you are choosing to vote for.
And what in the world will Holy God who commands, Thou shall not murder, ever give to this country with so many citizens who exercise their freedom to support and vote into office the men and women who have given us so called 'legalized abortion'?
A Democratic Conservative wrote: THINK on THESE: #1.Obama is NO Sodomite. #2.His wife NEVER had an "Abortion". #3.He's been ENDORSED by A Former Top Ranking US General, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of State & World Renoun Republican: COLIN POWELL. #4.He's been ENDORSED by THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The Newspaper Founded by The US Christian-Fundamentalist Cyrus McCormick Family (Yes, THE Cyrus McCormick; The Inventor of The Cotten-Reaping "Gin"--who was a Financial Sponsor of D.L. Moody of Moody Bible Institute Fame--As Col. McCormick was an ABE LINCOLN Whig-REPUBLICAN & Anti-Vaticanist: as was THOMAS NAST) ! #5.Obama is a MEMBER of The APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH; An African-American Branch of The Pentecostal-Holiness Deliverance Church Movement; #6.Old William Jennings Bryan Would've Voted for Obama ! #7.I, A Democratic Conservative, WILL Vote for Obama !
1) So? Neither is McCain.
2) Good. Let's make HER president.
3) A really big deal. Powell's judgement is in question, not his titles.
4) Don't other papers endorse McCain?
5) Abandoned his 20-yr. mentor "Rev" Wright to become one. Didn't need him anymore.
6) Actually, Darwin would likely vote for Obama.
7) That's because you aren't a Conservative at all.
Barry, I can at least agree with you about the gossip part and how the Internet is abused in this regard and I feel that much of the forwards I get are untrue. As for Obama, I don't know how much is true or false, but I prefer a third party candidate over both the two larger parties and their representatives.
I am agitated at the number of emails that fill my inbox from my Christian friends spreading thins about Senator Obama that either is untrue or can't be confirmed. I think that spreading gossip is a sin. I believe that's covered in the bible as well. We all sin and fall short. Again, I don't see Senator Obama as a savior. I do feel he will make the best president of the two men.
That's WHY Obama WILL be Elected US President on Nov. 4, 2008 !
THINK on THESE:
#1.Obama is NO Sodomite.
#2.His wife NEVER had an "Abortion".
#3.He's been ENDORSED by A Former Top Ranking US General, Joint Chiefs of Staff, Secretary of State & World Renoun Republican: COLIN POWELL.
#4.He's been ENDORSED by THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE. The Newspaper Founded by The US Christian-Fundamentalist Cyrus McCormick Family (Yes, THE Cyrus McCormick; The Inventor of The Cotten-Reaping "Gin"--who was a Financial Sponsor of D.L. Moody of Moody Bible Institute Fame--As Col. McCormick was an ABE LINCOLN Whig-REPUBLICAN & Anti-Vaticanist: as was THOMAS NAST) !
#5.Obama is a MEMBER of The APOSTOLIC CHRISTIAN CHURCH; An African-American Branch of The Pentecostal-Holiness Deliverance Church Movement; Born Out of The World-Shaking WELSH REVIVALS of The Late-1800s/Early-1900s !
#6.Old William Jennings Bryan Would've Voted for Obama !
#7.I, A Democratic Conservative, WILL Vote for Obama !
Mike wrote: Hi, FR, I have no problem with the chapter titles either. God is certainly sovereign. But rather than me read the book, I think Bible Thumper who won't directly answer certain questions, but recommends the book, should point out to me where in the book the answers are. After all, if he has been convinced by Pink, then he should be able to show me where the convincing points are that convinced him. I understand that he may feel that I could become of the reformed persuasion, if only I might read it. To save time, lets say that won't happen, whether I read it or not. In any case, repeatedly saying God is sovereign (done much here) is not an answer when His sovereignty isn't the question.
Many people think that they believe in the sovereignty of God until they discover what that truly means. This book is an entire work that must be read in it's entirety to get the full and accurate picture. One small part, although possibly helpful, is just that, one small part.
"It is very shameful that Evangelicals are now trying to rely on political clout in the fight against the evils of abortion, homosexualism/gay marriage, etc instead of relying solely on the plain old reliable power of the Word of God and the working of the Holy Ghost to restrain/humble ungodly hell-fire bound men and women. This is the fruit of the modern gospel of life-enhancement instead of the plain old gospel that warns sinners to flee the wrath of God that awaits all unrepentant men and woman. It is a pity indeed."
Amen brother! Sad to say, that amongst the many "false gospels" that are abroad today are those that seek to change the hearts of men and nations by a political agenda. No wonder then that they who embrace this message seek their deliverance from politicians, mere men from whose breath goeth forth from their nostrils. (Is. 2:22)
But oh ". . . How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace. . . " Romans 10:15a
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace." Is. 9:6
Faithful Remnant wrote: Just looking at the titles in the contents, I would say Pink's work makes sense to me. I glanced at the section about God's sovereignty and salvation. God is sovereign, no doubt and that certainly gives me peace. Give it a whirl, Mike.
Hi, FR,
I have no problem with the chapter titles either. God is certainly sovereign. But rather than me read the book, I think Bible Thumper who won't directly answer certain questions, but recommends the book, should point out to me where in the book the answers are. After all, if he has been convinced by Pink, then he should be able to show me where the convincing points are that convinced him. I understand that he may feel that I could become of the reformed persuasion, if only I might read it. To save time, lets say that won't happen, whether I read it or not. In any case, repeatedly saying God is sovereign (done much here) is not an answer when His sovereignty isn't the question.
Faithful Remnant wrote: Just looking at the titles in the contents, I would say Pink's work makes sense to me. I glanced at the section about God's sovereignty and salvation. God is sovereign, no doubt and that certainly gives me peace. Give it a whirl, Mike.
Thanks Faithful!!
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