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FRONT PAGE  |  7/28/2015
MONDAY, OCT 20, 2008  |  24 comments
A Catholic Brief for Obama
George Weigel and his fellow McCain advisers are growing frustrated at the state of the campaign, and they should be. This election rightly continues to focus on the millions of Americans at risk of losing their jobs and their homes. The issue of abortion, of course, is tied to the nation's economic fortunes. In part, we endorsed Senator Obama because his tax-reduction plan focuses on the betterment of average families and those living at the margins. Center for Disease Control statistics reveal that prosperity directly affects the abortion rate far more significantly than Republican rhetoric pledging to outlaw abortion—a feat John McCain has failed to accomplish with nearly three decades in Congress.

Mr. Weigel predicts that the emergence of serious pro-life Catholics supporting Obama in this election portends "a new hardening of the battle lines. Not on our part. To us, endorsing Barack Obama was ...


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News Item10/29/08 5:21 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Now I see what you are saying, enough already. Maybe I can clarify what I'm talking about. Let's say you and I were talking and I said "I own a car". That proposition is true or false regardless of my religious affiliation, correct? Now, if you said (like Michael did) "Catholics are abandoning their stance on abortion and supporting Obama" and I said "Well, I read two articles in Newsweek that suggest that there is an internal controversy between Catholics. Given Weigel's position, not all Catholics are abandoning Catholic teaching on the matter". That statement is true whether or not I'm Catholic too, right?

enough already wrote:
bysne- you could not be more wrong.
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News Item10/29/08 5:58 AM
enough already | usa  Find all comments by enough already
bysne- you could not be more wrong. There is only one true saving faith, found in the scriptures alone, based upon Christ alone. Salvation is a gift of God, given by His grace {Eph. 2:8,9}. Until all understand His grace, His mercy, His righteousness, His holiness, it is impossible to see just how vile and wicked all of mankind are. Would you consider listening to a sermon found here by Paul Washer called 'the ten indictments'?
Salvation is not found in a denomination, and being religious will save no one. Clinging to any kind of church tradition is deceptive, works generated by man save no one.
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News Item10/29/08 12:49 AM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
enough already:

I fear that if I affirm or deny it, my statements or arguments will be judged according to biographical information rather than on the strength of the argument, or the truth or falsity of the proposition. Whether what I say is true or not doesn't depend on what faith I hold (if any), does it?

enough already wrote:
BYSNE- Are you a Roman Catholic or aren't you?
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News Item10/28/08 6:47 PM
enough already | usa  Find all comments by enough already
BYSNE- Are you a Roman Catholic or aren't you?
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News Item10/28/08 5:51 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
The problem is that I've presented evidence against each of your claims and you refuse to acknowledge it. If you are going to blast the Catholic Church, at least get the facts right. If you said "I'm against Planned Parenthood since they clone fruit flies, and I'm against all forms of cloning" and I replied "But they don't clone fruit flies", would that justify your inference that I was a member of Planned Parenthood?

Michael Hranek wrote:
BYSNE
Doesn't matter if you "defend" the false religion of Roman Catholicism, essentially giving it your approval you make yourself a partipant in her evil deeds.
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News Item10/26/08 10:56 PM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
By the way, you have no idea if I'm part of the RCC. I've never claimed to be part of her.
BYSNE
Doesn't matter if you "defend" the false religion of Roman Catholicism, essentially giving it your approval you make yourself a partipant in her evil deeds.
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News Item10/26/08 10:17 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Well, it does deny communion to a few, which is a form of discipline.

By the way, you have no idea if I'm part of the RCC. I've never claimed to be part of her.

Michael Hranek wrote:
BYSNE
I have observed the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church and other denominations too for that matter in regards to abortion.
That said, Is not the RCC supposedly famous for its "stand" against abortion?
Yet! It doesn't discipline political leaders who vote for it and make it "legal" does it.
Please understand I do not believe the RCC is actually Christian in the first place but an idolatrous deceitful counterfeit of Christianity so I would expect Catholics to do naturally what sinners do - sin without repentance against the Lord Jesus Christ they profess to believe in.
Now I know there are Catholics with all sorts of opinions many of whom disagree with the pro-Obama, sweep abortion under the rug Catholics, sweep horrible Church scandals under the rug leaders in the RCC so I have to ask.
Why, if you know there is so much wrong with the RCC do you continue to be a part of her?
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News Item10/25/08 8:54 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
By Your Standards, Not Elect wrote:
Mike:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/163896
http://www.newsweek.com/id/164445/page/1
The first article is by George Weigel, a devout Catholic who definitely does not downplay abortion. The second is a response to him by other Catholics. You can't make a generalization like you just did.
BYSNE
I have observed the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church and other denominations too for that matter in regards to abortion.

That said, Is not the RCC supposedly famous for its "stand" against abortion?

Yet! It doesn't discipline political leaders who vote for it and make it "legal" does it.

Please understand I do not believe the RCC is actually Christian in the first place but an idolatrous deceitful counterfeit of Christianity so I would expect Catholics to do naturally what sinners do - sin without repentance against the Lord Jesus Christ they profess to believe in.

Now I know there are Catholics with all sorts of opinions many of whom disagree with the pro-Obama, sweep abortion under the rug Catholics, sweep horrible Church scandals under the rug leaders in the RCC so I have to ask.

Why, if you know there is so much wrong with the RCC do you continue to be a part of her?

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News Item10/23/08 4:08 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Mike:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/163896
http://www.newsweek.com/id/164445/page/1

The first article is by George Weigel, a devout Catholic who definitely does not downplay abortion. The second is a response to him by other Catholics. You can't make a generalization like you just did.

Michael Hranek wrote:
GG
Thanks for the "geography lesson" but no thanks as your precious Vatican is still part of Rome isn't it and Rome is still famous for its 7 hills.
But since you commented let me ask you a question since you are a self-proclaimed devote Roman Catholic, "What do you feel about Roman Catholic's down playing abortion, even the heinous murder of babies as they are being born in partial birth abortion, to endorse Obama?"
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News Item10/23/08 3:54 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
No my dear MH, Rome is a city and a part of Italy, while the Vatican is a City-State and it's own country.

I feel the same toward those false, apostate Catholics who support by practice, word, or Legislative support, any form of infanticide, as I would a lost soul at best and a murderer at the worst. Those who do not repent will surely know Hell's fury. Catholics who support an Obama style Govt are selling their country out to Marxist banditos.

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News Item10/23/08 8:53 AM
A Former Satanic Vaticanist  Find all comments by A Former Satanic Vaticanist
The Satanic Vaticanists & Roman "Catholic" Cultists are NOW Kissing-Up to Barack Obama ! Hmmmmm?

It was Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg who "picked" Joeseph Biden as Barack Obama's Vice-Presidential running-mate !

Joe Biden: a man after John F. Kennedy's own heart !

As JFK LOVED The US Constitution ABOVE The Satanic-Vaticanist & Roman "Catholic" Cultic 'Canon-Law' !

That is the VERY Reason why The Satanic Vatican ASSASSINATED JFK (through their stooges secreted in the CIA--ala Bush-1 *visit www.tomflocco.com for Documented Details) !

Joe Biden TOO Loves The US Constitution ABOVE The Satanic Vatican's "Canon-Law"--as DOES Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi !

The Satanic Vatican & Her Devil-Demon Possessed "Jesuits" are NOW in a Dither--A Drastic & Desperate Demoniacal Dither !

Well, anyway the "chickens are coming home to rooste"; as The VERY Daughter of Vatican-Slain JFK is HERSELF Slapping "Satan's-Seat" @ Rome in The Face: by not only selecting a man after Her Father's Heart as The FUTURE Vice-President: But as PRESIDENT in case (God Forbid) The Satanic Vatican succeeds in ASSASSINATING President Barack Obama !

JFK JR. WOULD RIGHT NOW BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT INSTEAD OF OBAMA; HAD "W" BUSH-2 NOT ASSASSINATED JFK JR. IN '99 (VISIT tomflocco.com) !

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News Item10/23/08 5:42 AM
Michael Hranek | Endicott, New York  Protected NameFind all comments by Michael Hranek
GG wrote:
I would like to take this time to educate my dear Mr. MH in a lesson of geographic importance. The 'CITY OF ROME' (not the one in Georgia...MH) sits on the fabled SEVEN HILLS. Rome is located on the right bank of the Tiber River, in ITALY. (Now! Pay Attention MH!!!!!) The Vatican sits miles away on the left bank of the Tiber. If you are gonna twist scripture please do a first-rate job of it!
GG
Thanks for the "geography lesson" but no thanks as your precious Vatican is still part of Rome isn't it and Rome is still famous for its 7 hills.

But since you commented let me ask you a question since you are a self-proclaimed devote Roman Catholic, "What do you feel about Roman Catholic's down playing abortion, even the heinous murder of babies as they are being born in partial birth abortion, to endorse Obama?"

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News Item10/22/08 6:29 PM
Neil | Tucson  Find all comments by Neil
Here I go again, but I wonder what "insider" really means? As used in campaign rhetoric, it seems to imply there's something inherently wrong or corrupting with longtime experience in Capital politics. But is all experience necessarily bad? Certainly not in the private sector or civil courts. Experience could just as easily make a better legislator as a worse one.

Perhaps it is more helpful to determine whether the candidate upholds the rule of law, with no respect of persons. Or does he rule arbitrarily, and is he indebted to certain interest groups, granting legislative/regulative concessions to some & not to others? It is such iniquity, repeatedly condemned in Scripture, that turns the "power of the sword" into legalized banditry.

The latter fits Thrasymachus's definition in Plato's dialogue: "Justice ... is simply what is in the interest of the stronger party."

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News Item10/22/08 4:35 PM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
A Former Satanic Vaticanist wrote:
The only "closet 'Jesuit' " would be you, "mike / new york" !
For your questions & speech give you away !
It was Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg who "picked" Joeseph Biden as Barack Obama's Vice-Presidential running-mate !
Biden is Washington career insider. So much for "change."

What does it matter who selected him? Obama has the final say, and obviously he approved. Your dancing around which RC's are acceptable is silly. You say anything to avoid taking your blinders off. The fact that you think me a Jesuit shows one thing for sure. You don't know what you're talking about. Why should we believe anything else you say?

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News Item10/22/08 3:04 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
Whats this? Obama wears Catholic underwear? I wonder if they're marked January, February, March...etc.

FSV: I understand that yours are marked 2006, 2007, 2008! Any truth to that rumor?

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News Item10/22/08 10:18 AM
A Former Satanic Vaticanist  Find all comments by A Former Satanic Vaticanist
The only "closet 'Jesuit' " would be you, "mike / new york" !

For your questions & speech give you away !

It was Caroline Kennedy-Schlossberg who "picked" Joeseph Biden as Barack Obama's Vice-Presidential running-mate !

Joe Biden: a man after John F. Kennedy's own heart !

As JFK LOVED The US Constitution ABOVE The Satanic-Vaticanist & Roman "Catholic" Cultic 'Canon-Law' !

That is the VERY Reason why The Satanic Vatican ASSASSINATED JFK (through their stooges secreted in the CIA--ala Bush-1 *visit www.tomflocco.com for Documented Details) !

Joe Biden TOO Loves The US Constitution ABOVE The Satanic Vatican's "Canon-Law"--as DOES Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi !

The Satanic Vatican & Her Devil-Demon Possessed "Jesuits" are NOW in a Dither--A Drastic & Desperate Demoniacal Dither !

Well, anyway the "chickens are coming home to rooste"; as The VERY Daughter of Vatican-Slain JFK is HERSELF Slapping "Satan's-Seat" @ Rome in The Face: by not only selecting a man after Her Father's Heart as The FUTURE Vice-President: But as PRESIDENT in case (God Forbid) The Satanic Vatican succeeds in ASSASSINATING President Barack Obama !

JFK JR. WOULD RIGHT NOW BE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT INSTEAD OF OBAMA; HAD "W" BUSH-2 NOT ASSASSINATED JFK JR. IN '99 (VISIT tomflocco.com) !

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News Item10/22/08 10:05 AM
Mike | New York  Find all comments by Mike
A Former Satanic Vaticanist wrote:
Brit: The US Republicans that have NOT been Satanically Vaticanized or "Vaticanised" as you would say/write: that is; that have not been right-winged-Terrorized, Fascizied or Nazized by That INFAMOUS City that Sits on 7 Hills (Mountains)--
Through Romanist-Reaganism, George H.W. Bush Nazism or George W. Bush Fascism--or Bush III (McCain) Totalitarianism WILL Vote For US Democratic Presidential Candidate:
Barack Obama !
The rest of The "Republicans" will crawl back into their holes & dens of The Knights of The Ku Klux Klan;
The hell-holes of The Neo-Nazis;
Or buy a one-way-trip-ticket to the dungeons & dregs of the pit of Hell via The Satanic Vatican:
To join The rest of the "Jesuit" Conspirators who are NOW planning & plotting the Assassination of President Barack Obama & The Rest of The Political "N-----" Lovers who will Back Up & Support His Policies of CHANGE Here in The United States of America !
Hey, what do you think of Biden's statement that if Obama wins, he will be tested within a few months? Why did Obama pick a Roman Catholic for VP? Could Obama be a closet Jesuit?
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News Item10/22/08 9:56 AM
A Former Satanic Vaticanist  Find all comments by A Former Satanic Vaticanist
Brit wrote:
Are the Republicans really trying this time. or are they resigned to a change for the next four/eight years?
Brit: The US Republicans that have NOT been Satanically Vaticanized or "Vaticanised" as you would say/write: that is; that have not been right-winged-Terrorized, Fascizied or Nazized by That INFAMOUS City that Sits on 7 Hills (Mountains)--

Through Romanist-Reaganism, George H.W. Bush Nazism or George W. Bush Fascism--or Bush III (McCain) Totalitarianism WILL Vote For US Democratic Presidential Candidate:

Barack Obama !

LIKE REPUBLICAN COLIN POWELL WILL !

The rest of The "Republicans" will either crawl back into their Holes & Dens of The Knights of The Ku Klux Klan;

The Hell-Holes of The Neo-Nazis;

Or buy a one-way-trip-ticket to the Dungeons & Dregs of the Pit of HELL via The SATANIC VATICAN:

To join The rest of the "JESUIT" Conspirators who are NOW Planning & Plotting the ASSASSINATION of The Future US President BARACK OBAMA & The Rest of The Political "N-----"-Lovers who will Back Up & Support His Policies of CHANGE Here in The United States of America !

I FOR ONE WILL DEFINITELY VOTE FOR BARACK OBAMA ANYWAY !

AS HE'S THE ONE WHO PUT SATANIC-VATICANIST STOOGE ALAN KEYES OUT OF COMMISSION HERE IN ILLINOIS !

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News Item10/21/08 1:30 PM
By Your Standards, Not Elect | Oblivion  Find all comments by By Your Standards, Not Elect
Mike:

I would also mention that the dispute in the article is BETWEEN Catholics. From your post you seem to say that the Catholic Church itself is getting behind Obama which is clearly not the case. At least be fair here.

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News Item10/21/08 1:26 PM
GG  Find all comments by GG
I would like to take this time to educate my dear Mr. MH in a lesson of geographic importance. The 'CITY OF ROME' (not the one in Georgia...MH) sits on the fabled SEVEN HILLS. Rome is located on the right bank of the Tiber River, in ITALY. (Now! Pay Attention MH!!!!!) The Vatican sits miles away on the left bank of the Tiber. If you are gonna twist scripture please do a first-rate job of it!
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