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SUNDAY, SEP 21, 2008  |  41 comments
Christians in Germany launch Luther Decade
Wittenberg, the city where Martin Luther famously nailed his 95 theses to the door of the Schlosskirche, launched a decade of events this weekend to celebrate the German reformer who forever changed the face of Christianity.

Luther Decade was opened on Saturday with a re-enactment of Luther’s arrival in the city, where he came in 1508 to continue his theological studies.

A church service will be held on Sunday with a sermon delivered by the president of the Lutheran World Federation, Mark Hanson. ...


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News Item9/29/08 4:09 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Thank you Mistral. I would agree the EKD has mostly departed from its historic Protestant roots. I suppose Luther himself would detest having a festival in his name.

John, don't you think it would be a blessing for you to be in a congregation where Justification by Faith Alone can be freely preached without the threat of being declared accursed? The Council of Trent declared a curse on people holding to such a view of Justification. I think you would benefit spiritually to be able to hear this freely preached. Some small Lutheran groups teach salvation is by hearing the word of the Gospel and that baptism and communion are symbols to strengthen and confirm faith..things by which we can remember what Christ has done on our behalf. This is the view I hold to, that Justification is by Faith alone and the sacraments are signs of what Christ did on our behalf. The mere act of getting wet or eating and drinking does not save. Personally, I would encourage you to find a Biblically strong and faithful church where you can hear the Gospel freely preached. I just feel you would be blessed and encouraged among people of the same understanding. Restricting our hearing of the true Gospel is a severe blow spiritually.

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News Item9/28/08 11:04 PM
mistral ln  Find all comments by mistral ln
I am from Germany and just jumping into the discussion after I saw the headline.
A few comments may be made from over here where the whole thing takes place. The Luther decade is launched by the German EKD (Evangelische Kirche Deutschlands,)a denomination pretending to be the successors of the Protestants of old. However, they are far away from Luthers convictions and his biblical understanding. Their theology and practice are definitely not grounded on the five solas and also not on Luthers catechism.
Also other comments have more than surprised me. To say for example that the EKD teaches Luthers understanding of salvation is wrong. Luther had a biblical understanding of salvation, the EKD has definitely not. The EKD is spiritually dead and the fact, that they launch a Luther decade is at best a tricky marketing campain, since their practice is far away from Luthers convictions and ideas as it can be.

I am mentioning this since you are talking about 'Lutherans' and most likely meaning American Lutherans, which are not involved in the whole matter and probably - which I do not know - have a different theology and biblical understanding than the EKD.

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News Item9/27/08 11:36 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Faithful Remnant wrote:
No, they do not, John, or at least not every word in them. Some Lutherans such as myself emphasize Justification by faith alone instead of a sacramental view of redemption.
Well you may personally believe in Justification By Faith instead of a sacramental view of redemption but your Lutheran Church believes in a sacramental view of salvation along with Justification By Faith which I happen to know for a fact because I have studied the Statements Of Faith of all the branches of the Lutheran Church and every single one of them state that they believe that salvation comes from Baptism and Holy Communion and they also believe in Justification By Faith. I personally believe in Justification By Faith for salvation instead of a sacramental view of salvation but the RCC teaches a sacramental view of salvation.
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News Item9/26/08 9:49 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
John Yurich wrote:
All Lutheran Churches follow the teachings in the Small and Large Catechisms.
No, they do not, John, or at least not every word in them. Some Lutherans such as myself emphasize Justification by faith alone instead of a sacramental view of redemption. The following is also in the Lutheran confessions and deserves primacy over the sacraments..."Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by
their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified
for Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they
are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for
Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for
our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in His
sight. Rom. 3 and 4" and "For remission
of sins and justification is apprehended by faith, as also the
voice of Christ attests: When ye shall have done all these
things, say: We are unprofitable servants. Luke 17, 10. The
same is also taught by the Fathers. For Ambrose says: It is
ordained of God that he who believes in Christ is saved,
freely receiving remission of sins, without works, by faith
alone."
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News Item9/26/08 8:09 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Both Jim and John know little of Lutheran doctrine, since Lutherans confess the five solas...faith alone, grace alone, scripture alone, etc. so are not so heterodox as Jim and John would make them to be. We know the RCC is heterodox, but what about IHCC, Jim? Possibly something there is just not right or is it right enough...or is perfect and free of any error in its interpretation of the scriptures?
How many times do I have to state this before you get it? I know what the Lutheran Church teaches concerning salvation because I own Luther's Small and Large Catechisms. In the Lutheran Catechisms it states that salvation comes from Baptism and from partaking of Holy Communion. All Lutheran Churches follow the teachings in the Small and Large Catechisms.
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News Item9/24/08 2:37 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Faithful Remnant, if your Lutheran Church, rejects Martin Luther's Sacramental Gospel, then I don't see any problem, anyway, the above is excellent and so is the one below:
Charles Spurgeon wrote:
Let him be baptized by immersion or sprinkling, in his infancy, or in his adult life, regardless, if he has not put his trust in Jesus Christ—if he remains an unbeliever, then this terrible doom is pronounced upon him—"Whoever does not believe will be condemned."
from Baptismal Regeneration, which is word warning to those who belong to the Anglican Church.
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News Item9/23/08 7:21 PM
enough already | usa  Find all comments by enough already
I think we would all benefit greatly by sticking solely to the Bible, for ALL denominations are tainted. Trust no man, and allow the Holy Spirit to teach you God's truth found in His word. Pray and seek His wisdom, understanding, and insight. This is foolproof.
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News Item9/23/08 4:06 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Both Jim and John know little of Lutheran doctrine, since Lutherans confess the five solas...faith alone, grace alone, scripture alone, etc. so are not so heterodox as Jim and John would make them to be. We know the RCC is heterodox, but what about IHCC, Jim? Possibly something there is just not right or is it right enough...or is perfect and free of any error in its interpretation of the scriptures?
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News Item9/23/08 2:25 PM
Jim Lincoln | Nebraska  Find all comments by Jim Lincoln
Very true,
Luke 11
28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.
Luke 8
21 But he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these that hear the word of God, and do it.

But being baptized doesn't have anything to do with salvation, John, the Lutherans suffer from heterodoxy, Baptism: Truth or Tradition, not as much as the Roman Catholic Church does, but a faith in baptism is a faith in works, and those who believe that have The Doctrine of Apostates.

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News Item9/23/08 9:33 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
I agree with hidelmi, overcomer and enough already. Without hearing the word, how can you have faith? So, best to hear it in your own language. Faith cometh by hearing the word.

John, the Lutheran theologians submitted this, so this I believe to be faithful and true and of prime importance over baptism and communion: "Also they teach that men cannot be justified before God by
their own strength, merits, or works, but are freely justified
for Christ's sake, through faith, when they believe that they
are received into favor, and that their sins are forgiven for
Christ's sake, who, by His death, has made satisfaction for
our sins. This faith God imputes for righteousness in His
sight. Rom. 3 and 4."

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News Item9/23/08 8:10 AM
John Yurich | USA  Find all comments by John Yurich
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Ok. And that means?????? That Lutherans have majority of Catholic doctrines? I don't think so. You still have to deal with the Lutheran(and broader Protestant) emphasis on faith alone, scripture alone and Christ alone as head of the Church. I go to a Lutheran church and hear how important faith is. Without faith, we cannot please God. Without it we are condemned no matter if baptized and partaking of communion. And if you studied Lutheran doctrine, I think you would see this..that without faith, baptism and communion are empty and of no avail. It goes back to faith...and that only, so the two are still quite different.
But all Lutheran Churches also teach that salvation comes from Baptism and through partaking of Holy Communion because all Lutheran Churches adhere to the teachings of Luther as is revealed in the Small and Large Catechisms.
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News Item9/23/08 5:59 AM
overcomer401965 | Texas  Find all comments by overcomer401965
Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, thatn ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. 1 Cor. 14:19
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News Item9/23/08 5:55 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
enough already wrote:
'we must worship God in the power and under the direction of the Holy Spirit. We must worship God with all our being, sincerely and profoundly. We must worship God according to the truth, found in scriptures.
Exactly my point. Thank you.
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News Item9/23/08 5:39 AM
enough already | usa  Find all comments by enough already
Lance, if you want to be 'accurate', then the scriptures should be read in their original form, the greek and hebrew. Using different languages adds nothing to worship. God does not call us to worship Him by words, or a set pattern repeated over and over, He is spirit, and we must worship Him in spirit and in truth. Paul Washer says it this way, 'we must worship God in the power and under the direction of the Holy Spirit. We must worship God with all our being, sincerely and profoundly. We must worship God according to the truth, found in scriptures. We must avoid associating God with a religious building or ascribing to God any human limitation'.
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News Item9/23/08 5:15 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
The idea that Latin is used to keep people in the dark is ridiculous. What is there to conceal?

The Mass isn't just a prayer service or a revival meeting. If I went to a Mass celebrated in Swahili, I would still receive all the graces that the Mass offers even though I understood not a word.

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News Item9/23/08 2:55 AM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Maybe that is why they use Latin, Lance, but still seems odd. Why not use English or another commonly used language?
Hedelmi, some Lutheran synods are more conservative or even fundamentalist in nature..very strict. The same can be said for individual congregations. Yes, I know many congregations are liberal and are departing from Protestant orthodoxy to get in on the ecumenical and liberal bandwagon and I don't approve of this.
EE, like you I got baptized but my conversion came later. I guess I was baptized in a Baptist church out of convenience instead of repentance.
Thank you for the info.

I guess they use Latin to keep their congregations in the dark. Realistically, how many Catholics can read and write Latin? This reminds me of the cult that Mel Gibson adheres to.

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News Item9/23/08 2:30 AM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Maybe that is why they use Latin, Lance, but still seems odd. Why not use English or another commonly used language?
Hedelmi, some Lutheran synods are more conservative or even fundamentalist in nature..very strict. The same can be said for individual congregations. Yes, I know many congregations are liberal and are departing from Protestant orthodoxy to get in on the ecumenical and liberal bandwagon and I don't approve of this.
EE, like you I got baptized but my conversion came later. I guess I was baptized in a Baptist church out of convenience instead of repentance.
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News Item9/23/08 12:38 AM
Lance Eccles | Goulburn NSW  Contact via emailFind all comments by Lance Eccles
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Lance, the Catholic Church here seems quite adamant to keep using Latin(the liturgical texts anyway) in the services. Why?
I've just seen your posting.

If Latin is still being used in the Mass where you are (not sure which part of Scandinavia), then I am very pleased to hear it.

Latin is the official language in the Western Church, and use of the vernacular in the Mass is just a concession. I think that, while it is better to have the Gospel and other Bible readings in the vernacular, Latin ought to be used in the central part of the Mass (round the Consecration) to indicate that this part of the Mass has special significance.

Perhaps there are people from various countries attending Mass, and perhaps many of them don't understand the local language (Swedish? Finnish?). In that case, it may be felt best to use a neutral language.

Or it may be that the use of Latin is a sign of the orthodoxy of the priests. It seems to me that the more unorthodox priests are, the more they detest Latin, and the more they like the Mass to resemble a TV chat show.

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News Item9/22/08 6:47 PM
hidemi williges | san francisco, ca  Contact via emailFind all comments by hidemi williges
Faithful Remnant wrote:
Justification by faith alone in the shed blood of Christ the only infallible head of the church and the testimony of scripture alone by grace alone is the foundation on which I stand, and these show the radical difference between the Roman, Orthodox and the Protestant churches.
Please beware that not all Protestant Churches believe this. There are numerous Churches that are corrupt, liberal and non-biblical that are within so-called major denominations. I do have a question for any Lutheran who may wish to answer. What is the difference between the different Synods?
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News Item9/22/08 4:55 PM
Faithful Remnant  Find all comments by Faithful Remnant
Thanks EE for the input. I suppose some Lutherans are more into a sacramental approach, but I am not one of those. There is still some transforming and reforming going on among us. Justification by faith alone in the shed blood of Christ the only infallible head of the church and the testimony of scripture alone by grace alone is the foundation on which I stand, and these show the radical difference between the Roman, Orthodox and the Protestant churches.
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